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Old 07-17-2012, 04:01 PM   #301
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I know what you're saying. I don't think I take my foot all the way off the gas, therefor the throttle plate doesn't close. It's all one quick adrenalin filled moment.

LOL@the busted tranny.
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Old 07-17-2012, 04:02 PM   #302
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I know what you're saying. I don't think I take my foot all the way off the gas, therefor the throttle plate doesn't close. It's all one quick adrenalin filled moment.

LOL@the busted tranny.
That's kinda/pretty much like FFS'ing then. It would be interesting to see a log that includes rpm, boost and throttle position.
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Old 07-17-2012, 04:07 PM   #303
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more like a manual version of a throttle kick for antilag since he isn't FULL on the throttle, but just keeping it open slightly...not exactly the same as antilag, but kind of.

old school muscle guys would call this power shifting...just fyi
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Old 07-17-2012, 04:16 PM   #304
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^This.

Do you have a BPV/BOV? I do, and whenever I lift, no matter how fast, the BPV causes my boost to drop all the way down, and then the turbo has to re-spool. Even if you shift lighting fast, if you lift, the throttle closes and you lose some boost. If you don't have a BPV/BOV, then maybe you don't, but you're probably killing the turbo. It's probably possible to shift fast enough (with a lift) that you don't lose much boost, but it's still going to lose some.



I was thinking something more like this:



Some people claim that FFS is better for the tranny since there is not as much shock as when lifting.... idk about the clutch
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Old 07-17-2012, 04:16 PM   #305
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All I hear is the sound of a crunching 2nd or 3rd gear synchro with any real hard speed shifting
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Old 07-17-2012, 04:29 PM   #306
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Some people claim that FFS is better for the tranny since there is not as much shock as when lifting.... idk about the clutch
yeah right...as long as you shift it perfectly every time. i can almost promise that you eventually will mess something up trying to clutchless shift a synchro box if you don't know what you are doing.
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Old 07-17-2012, 04:41 PM   #307
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yeah right...as long as you shift it perfectly every time. i can almost promise that you eventually will mess something up trying to clutchless shift a synchro box if you don't know what you are doing.
I don't believe he was saying clutch less shifting. I think he was saying ffs is less stress in some ways because the trans doesnt unload when you let off the throttle because you don't let off. When set right and high enough ffs gives you one almost seamless long pull. But very abusive on rear diffs an axles and clutch!
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Old 07-17-2012, 04:50 PM   #308
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ahhh...i definitely misunderstood that one...my bad
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Old 07-17-2012, 05:41 PM   #309
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I agree though ^ couldn't see somebody getting to many clutch less shifts at high boost out of one of our trans' before problems occur!
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Old 07-17-2012, 06:36 PM   #310
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I know what you're saying. I don't think I take my foot all the way off the gas, therefor the throttle plate doesn't close. It's all one quick adrenalin filled moment.

LOL@the busted tranny.
If you have a drive by wire car, The throttle plate still starts to close when you disengage the clutch. Even If you keep the throttle peddle to the floor.
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Old 07-17-2012, 07:52 PM   #311
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Is ffs available for open source? If so how do u add it to ur tune?
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Old 07-17-2012, 08:03 PM   #312
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yes, ffs is definitely available for opensource. if you look around on romraider you should be able to find it, or you can get it by purchasing the tinywrex patch.
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Old 07-17-2012, 08:07 PM   #313
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yes, ffs is definitely available for opensource. if you look around on romraider you should be able to find it, or you can get it by purchasing the tinywrex patch.
Thanks man. I looked years ago when I first sold my ap and it wasn't available for the 07's and never really looked again ad it just seems "hard" on the car but I'd love to give it whirl if its available now
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Old 07-17-2012, 10:05 PM   #314
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Old 07-17-2012, 10:40 PM   #315
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from what i could tell it looked like 5ish seconds (really hard to tell at that angle and being on my computer at work)...there are definitely quite a few ways you can improve that by probably a full second or more though. you probably KILLED your time by starting right at 50mph. if you started at a lower mph and brake boosted or went down another gear you could probably gain a good chunk just with that. then the other thing you could do is try and get faster shifts in there or flat foot shifts. that would probably take you down another pretty good chunk.
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Old 07-18-2012, 02:47 AM   #316
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anyone adding a video with a stock 5spd? maybe i missed?
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Old 07-18-2012, 11:52 AM   #317
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this was just on the first page...same person, two different turbo setups...if you look past the first page i'm sure there are others.

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Old 07-18-2012, 01:04 PM   #318
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Duh, first page.
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Old 07-18-2012, 02:06 PM   #319
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Duh, first page.
This was on the stock 5 speed as well:

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2008+ 5spds stronger ?
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kind of...some people speculate that maybe subaru went with an improved material in the 08+ 5spds, but i have seen or read ZERO proof of this...so as far as i'm concerned, this is just speculation or people trying to convince themselves their car is superior to the previous models.

basically, as far as actual facts are concerned, the 2008+ 5spds internally are very similar to the 04-05 5spds because they went back to the 3.90 final drive instead of the 3.70 final drive that they had in 06-07. this helps take a small amount of stress off the gears by giving them slightly more mechanical advantage.
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kind of...some people speculate that maybe subaru went with an improved material in the 08+ 5spds, but i have seen or read ZERO proof of this...so as far as i'm concerned, this is just speculation or people trying to convince themselves their car is superior to the previous models.

basically, as far as actual facts are concerned, the 2008+ 5spds internally are very similar to the 04-05 5spds because they went back to the 3.90 final drive instead of the 3.70 final drive that they had in 06-07. this helps take a small amount of stress off the gears by giving them slightly more mechanical advantage.
The 08+ wrx use the stronger LGT gears.
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Old 07-18-2012, 09:39 PM   #323
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this is true...i did forget about that...so yeah, they are a little bit stronger than previous years.
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this is true...i did forget about that...so yeah, they are a little bit stronger than previous years.
If they were strong enough to hold xlubens power level for a while i'd say they are pretty decent. Most people will never go as extreme as his build with 490tq
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yeah...then again, i know quite a few 04/05's running 350+whp and a few 06/07's running 450+whp so...this is kind of like the "glass 02-03 tranny when will it break" topic though. its impossible to tell when and what power level a transmission will break. even the unbreakable 6sp and the ppg 5sp (dog and synchro) break...sometimes even well below the power they are rated to and with normal driving...just the unfortunate truth about machines.
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