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Old 05-24-2016, 09:44 AM   #1
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Americans in general are obsessed with CUVs/SUVs, which is why people who would rather have a station wagon are running out of options. To list the amount of crossovers and SUVs currently on the market, I will need to use all twenty fingers and toes, but I just need one hand to list all the traditional station wagons available for sale.




However, if you add jacked up wagons with lower body cladding, then the number increases into double digits, which is good, but not great.

One of these lifted wagons with lower body cladding is the new 2017 Audi A4 Allroad, that surprisingly looks more like a wagon than a crossover, which I personally like. This, ladies and gentlemen, is a breath of fresh air in a market supersaturated with passive-aggressive, gas guzzling,

four-wheeled behemoths.

WHAT’S NEW
Like the newly redesigned A4, the 2017 Audi Allroad is based on the new modular MLB platform. Even though the new model looks a lot like the outgoing one, the two generations do not share a single body panel. However, like the previous Allroad, the new model is kitted with exaggerated wheel arches, which can be either painted in body color or contrasting gray, and include front and rear underbody shields to protect vital chassis components during mild off-roading.

Compared to the standard A4 Avant, the Allroad sits 0.9 inches higher due to an increase of 1.3 inches in suspension and larger wheels (up to 19 inches). To make the Audi Allroad all-terrain worthy, the vehicle features a new Off-Road Mode in Drive Select, which re-calibrates the throttle, transmission, and shift points to traverse inclement surfaces.

Like the A4 sedan, the Audi Allroad is motivated by a new generation of the ubiquitous 2.0 L turbocharged four-cylinder motor, which produces a healthy 252 horsepower and 274 lb-ft. torque (an increase from 220 hp and 258 lb-ft. torque from 2016). The updated engine is mated to a new seven-speed, dual-clutch automatic transmission with manual shifting mode and steering wheel mounted paddle-shifters.

AVAILABILITY
The redesigned Audi A4 Allroad should arrive on U.S. soil during the second half of this year as a 2017 model. Pricing should not be much higher than the 2016 Allroad’s starting price, currently in the mid $40,000 range.

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If I had some disposable income I wouldn't mind that at all.
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Buy one with the wheel arches painted body color, put it on some nice coilovers that lower it but keep the cushy ride.

Boom, A4 Avant with some sexy wheel arches.
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DOH! I wish my allroad had this engine. The 220 mine has is fine and does the job quite well, but an extra burst of HP and torque would be welcome.

I will post up my review I wrote up for my 2016 after 3 months of ownership just in case it will add any insight ....

This thread seemed like a good place for the review of my allroad. I think some of you liked my Golf R review so I wrote a quick review of the allroad I have been thoroughly enjoying for 3 months now. The perfect blend of an outback and Golf R... yup, I think so.


If there is one thing that I have learned about driving cars is that each car offers up an experience unique to itself, you just have to be ready to notice it. Some cars scream at you, while others are more reserved yet still fascinating. While there are many car companies with turbo AWD variants in their stables, each are different and has its own flavor. Much like no two bartenders offer up a Martini in exactly the same fashion, the subtleties of temp, preparation, glass, and accompaniments are varied and with a nuance that is beholden to each drink. In the same way, turbo AWD automobiles all offer up competent and useful traction on the surface, but it is those accompaniments that they bring to the table that completes the package. I believe you will find that when you pay attention and really see what each car has to offer they can all be fabulously rewarding to own. Some more than others. The new 2017 Audi Allroad is knocking on the door, and what I own now is the last of the B8 allroads (2016 Premium Plus). This is a car that provides effortless and comfortable motoring, yet at the same time connects with the driver in you. You can feel a quite yearning to be done running errands so it can go play a bit.

SCRAPPYDO’s 2016 Audi Allroad review

What I am not going to talk about is how capable the AWD system performs at the limit and how it compares with the gaggle of other AWD cars I have had. (but in case you are wondering, 2000 2.5 RS, 2001 2.5 RS, 2002 WRX, 2005 Legacy GT, 2006 WRX STI, 2007 Outback XT, 2011 WRX, 2013 Golf R, 2015 WRX) The reason for this omission is the only car I ever pushed very hard was the STI, and it is a different monster all together. However I must concede though, that you cannot talk about a Quattro Audi and not at least mention its AWD system. Look up the torque splits for exact numbers if you like but what you need to know is that in default mode, my allroad puts more power to the rear wheels than the front under normal driving conditions. It defaults to like 40/60 if I recall. All, I repeat ALL the reviews I read prior to purchasing this car stated the allroad actually handles better than the A4 sedan it is based on (obviously NOT the S4 and up variants). That was good enough for me. Since you know the vehicles I was coming from (see long list of above) you know that I have had automatic AWD with front bias, Manual AWD with 50/50 no bias, Manual AWD with front bias and Manual AWD with rear bias. I feel I can safely say that when driven on normal roads at normal (and slightly elevated if I am honest) speeds covered with dirt, gravel, asphalt and pouring rain, they are all very close (caveat: I have never driven in snow, and YES I still like AWD, but it is NOT a mandatory thing…I had a mazdaspeed3 for a while and LOVED it).

Now having said that, while being close, there are subtle differences (remember martini comment). The allroad is immediately confidence inspiring and feels planted in a way that is different than any car I have owned (Pirelli P7 Centrino’s on the allroad before anybody asks). Now this could be the added sound deadening and chassis refinement, could be more sidewall of the tire, could be too much coffee, not sure. I will say I am not immediately chalking that up to the AWD system, but having had a few days of heavy rain here in Houston, the allroad and its Quattro do put power down differently than my previous cars. The best word I can describe it is neutral. This wagon pulls out of corners in a far more neutral manner than my WRX or my outback xt did. The variables in the equation working here varied and not trivial… the weight and distribution of the chassis, the tires, the suspension, the AWD, and the engine power delivery all play parts in this solid feeling. I have no scientific way of determining which is a first order contributor and which is 2nd, 3rd, etc, and honestly it does not matter. The Audi ‘system’ is sublime. Quattro is for real.

In the space program we have a saying, “What is the hardware telling us?”
Meaning if you pay attention to the details, the car’s hardware will ‘talk’ to you. The Audi does in fact say volumes without screaming at you. Think of how Spock could say paragraphs ( or Vulcan Haiku maybe?) by just raising an eyebrow. This is way the allroad communicates. The doors have a slightly heavy and damped feeling when you open them. They sound as if they are filled with viscous shock oil. NO rattles or clinks when you open or close the doors. The impression of quality is evident. You are greeted by leather (yes actual leather) seats that are supportive and are capable of holding the driver in place well enough through the types of driving an allroad will be used for. They are moderately bolstered and have many adjustments that you will rarely ever use. The dash layout and feel are stereotypical German VAG product filled with goodness and contrast and tactile feel and solidity. Yes, all the adjectives you know with respect to Audi’s interiors are appropriate here and as hard as I try to come up with something new and fresh to say, as they are so blatantly overused, they are still very appropriate. When you sit and operate all the controls you feel what the elevated price of an Audi gets you (more on that elevated, yes it is elevated, price later). The turn stalks feel perfect, the wipers feel perfect, the steering wheel is simple but with just enough stitching and feel and give and leather wrapped goodness that you want to grab it and drive. The gages are spaced perfectly and are crisp and clear. The buttons react with appropriate clicks and with a controlled movement. The control knob that operates the infotainment is well textured and a pleasure to use. I will say this, if I had to pick a gripe. I feel Audi tries to get too much use out of a single button. The worst overachiever button is the moonroof control knob. A single knob has the ability to open the sun shade, close the sunshade, open the sunshade any degree between open and closed, open the moon roof all the way, open the moon roof any degree in between open and closed, close the moonroof, tilt the moonroof open, tilt the moonroof closed. This button is overworked as it can be pushed, pulled, turned, and tilted. If one thing is going to break in this car it will be that damn knob.

How does the allroad drive? If your perfect car is comfortable yet capable, the allroad can fill your needs very well. I have enjoyed driving it on some moderately fun roads and while it is no STI in outright nimbleness, it exhibits very good manners when pushed. I still tend to drive it more cautiously than I need to, often thinking,”wow, I could have carried far more speed there”. The car has never given me any false sense of security only to bite me later. If anything it is telling me to push a tad harder, have a little more fun, I can do this. The brakes come on strong and take time to learn to modulate. Do not ask me about fade resistance, this is an allroad. The steering is not the most communicative, but it is extremely well weighted, which helps give you the impression of being connected to the road. Compared to the WRX or STI or Golf R, the steering rack ratio is not quick. It fits the personality of the car which, as I see it, is more retired special agent (well dressed and still has some moves), than special forces Ranger (I could kill you 4 times before you hit the ground).

The allroad is not a numbers generating machine. It is the kind of car I encourage people to try as it drives better than its numbers would suggest. THE DIT engine provides power all the time and despite the heft of toting the 3600+ lbs car around, it works extremely well with the ZF8 speed transmission (really one of the best autos I have ever driven) to motivate the allroad to 60 in 6.4 seconds (damn I put a magazine number in there, Must STOP!). The allroad experience is a good one. It is something you know is good when you buy it, but you do not realize just how perfect a car it is until you start to use it and enjoy it. I hauled 900 lbs of pavers home two weekends ago ( I made two trips), my kids love the third zone climate control in the back seats which are equally supportive and comfortable. They love the huge panoramic moonroof (with that dead-button-walking control knob I try to not use). My wife loves the smooth ride, I like the all of that and the fact that it handles so well (for what it is). Once you adopt the mantra of buying the car for the driving you actually do, rather than buying a car for the driving you want others to think you do, the choices start to become clear and the happiness with owning a vehicle will increase exponentially.

So, let us talk money for a bit. The allroad premium plus will top 50k dollars. And I cannot sugar coat that in any way that I can even believe, that is a lot of money. Especially for a car who can be plucked out and replaced functionally with an outback 3.6R for 10k less. The outback 3.6R has more ground clearance, more room inside, and with X mode, is every bit as capable as the Quattro offroad I am sure (if not more). I knew all of that when I bought the Audi. I will contend that to a certain buyer with something other than value as the prime directive, the audi has points that are hard to replace. The Audi had the better engine, the better transmission and the better fit and finish. It drove far more sporty than the outback 3.6R. I was willing to pay for those features. You may like your martini a bit different than I do, and you would not be wrong. I think the allroad is a fantastic car and gives it driver the feeling that he can go anywhere, do anything in an amazing amount of comfort and dare I say it, speed.

After 6 months of ownership, I can add that this car does still surprise me often with its poise and ability to stick to a cornering line (often to the shagrin of my wife and kids and groceries that are flying around in the back). The quality of the paint is freaking outstanding. It holds a shine and keeps wax alive longer than any other car I have had that has had to be left outside. Slightly over 3000 miles into ownership and it has been rock solid, rattle/squeak free, and completely trouble free. The sunroof knob has yet to commit Hari Kari and all my coil packs are functioning. I will add that after more driving in very wet conditions, this may be the best wet weather car I have ever had the pleasure of driving. I feel I could drive it through a flood (and in Houston, that is a good thing)

This new allroad is surely even more allroad-y and have more of the same things my car has. In short, it would be easy for a Subaru guy to love it.
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Good thread AVanti!

Just a note on that alltrack VW though. It uses a haldex system and not a true Quattro system. Hate to argue semantics of AWD, but the engine in the Allroad is mounted like a convential engine is, not transversely like in the VW shown in that video.

However having said that, the Xmode in the subie is for real. I really love the outback, it is a great car and I smile when I see one. Maybe I will save some bucks next time and get it. But that dang CVT man.
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Yep getum while u can..Audi going haldex in the 4
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Thanks Scrappy !
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I like this new one very much, but its just the question of how much of a downgrade is the "Quattro Ultra" vs. the B9 A4's crown gear diff
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Wait, the B9 isn't Haldex is it? It's still longitudinally mounted, right? Did I miss something?
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no problem, I hope it helps out guys!
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Do these come with a free membership to AAA?
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IF you look at the latest reliability ratings, you will be shocked about how much better Audi is doing things lately.

But yes, they do come with audi roadside assistance.. LOL
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Wait, the B9 isn't Haldex is it? It's still longitudinally mounted, right? Did I miss something?
http://blog.caranddriver.com/quattro...nt-awd-system/
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IF you look at the latest reliability ratings, you will be shocked about how much better Audi is doing things lately.

But yes, they do come with audi roadside assistance.. LOL
since around 2011 the A4 has solid red dots all the way down the list n Consumer Reports chart for reliability the B8 is a very reliable car. Yeah it's got the diverter valve thingy but they finally got that taken care of.
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However having said that, the Xmode in the subie is for real. I really love the outback, it is a great car and I smile when I see one. Maybe I will save some bucks next time and get it. But that dang CVT man.
You stated about the new engine and more juice here is first real world review from Motor Trend, I heard from couple guys, chatting on Ham Radio that their new A4 have the same problem Motor Trend stated, lag when starting out, engine lag combine with dual clutch.


http://www.motortrend.com/news/2017-...t-test-review/
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You stated about the new engine and more juice here is first real world review from Motor Trend, I heard from couple guys, chatting on Ham Radio that their new A4 have the same problem Motor Trend stated, lag when starting out, engine lag combine with dual clutch.


http://www.motortrend.com/news/2017-...t-test-review/
I can confirm to this, though I feel its more of a transmission lag than turbo lag though.
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Audi is targeting SUV buyers with its all-new A4 allroad Quattro which is set to launch locally in September.

And when the ships carrying the B9 series allroad quattro dock at Australian ports, they’ll be a choice of two four-cylinder models of the tall(er) wagon: the 2.0 TDI with 140kW/400Nm; and, for the first time in the A4 allroad quattro, a 2.0 TFSI petrol engine with 185kW/370Nm.

There’s also a 3.0 TDI with 200kW/600Nm that Audi Australia’s Shaun Cleary said is “on our radar”. At this stage the potential range-topper has only a 50-50 chance of making it here.

motoring.com.au drove both the 2.0 TFSI and 3.0 TDI in Europe in April.

The four-cylinder petrol and diesel cars confirmed for us will both be priced at under the Luxury Car Tax fuel-efficient vehicles $75,375 threshold.

photo2The TFSI engine wasn’t offered on the outgoing B8 A4 allroad quattro because it would have breached the LCT fuel-efficient vehicles 7.0L/100km limit and so would’ve been taxed under the regular $63,184 LCT threshold.

At first glance, the allroad is just a A4 Avant with 34mm higher ground clearance, grey plastic wheelarch surrounds, more pronounced side sills and front and rear bumpers. You might also notice the allroad’s unique, single-frame grille with vertical chrome slats and satin silver roof rails.

What really sets the allroad apart, however, is its new quattro all-wheel drive system. The allroad is the first Audi to use Audi’s ‘ultra’ all-wheel drive.

In the new system clutches de-couple the centre and rear differentials during normal (front-drive) running. Audi claims that this set-up provides a significant reduction of drag and is almost 4kg lighter than the conventional centre-diff system.

photo3Audi also says that the system has the electronic supervision that not only reacts to wheelslip but in some circumstances also predicts it, and gets into all-wheel drive mode in preparation for it.

The system’s control is fed data such as steering angle, lateral and longitudinal acceleration and engine torque every ten milliseconds. With this data, the control unit can predict loss of traction 0.5sec ahead of the event and engage drive accordingly.

The system is reactive only in cases of sudden loss of traction, such as when crossing from dry paved surfaces to slippery gravel or ice. Up to 100 per cent of torque can be channelled front or rear.

Drive is also apportioned differently with each drive select mode. In dynamic mode, for example, power is redistributed to the rear axle sooner and to a larger degree, improving handling, particularly when it’s slippery. A new mode is the offroad setting, where all-wheel drive is always engaged.

photo4The allroad also has an S-Tronic transmission with free-wheeling mode like the A4 sedan and Avant for further efficiency benefits.

Audi has delayed the introduction of the ultra technology system in the diesel-powered cars, which continue with the Torsen centre-diff quattro system.

Aussie A4 allroad quattro specifications will closely follow those of the just-released A4 Avant. Key features include Audi pre-sense city with Autonomous Emergency Braking, Audi parking system plus front and rear with rear view camera, blind spot warning system, active cruise control and LED headlights and the MMI 8.3in high-res infotainment display with satnav.

photo5The 2.0 TFSI will also be likely to have CDC suspension, a 180-Watt 10-speaker sound system with subwoofer, driver’s seat memory and folding side mirrors with heating, dimming and memory functions.

Both models have an inflatable space-saver spare wheel, due to the space restrictions imposed by the ultra technology AWD system.

On the options list you can expect to see some of the A4’s high-tech goodies such as the Matrix LED headlights and Virtual Cockpit.

B8 A4 allroad quattro sales have averaged 150 per year since the model was introduced in Australia in 2012. Last year 180 examples were sold.

Cleary said that Audi Australia was “looking for similar numbers next year” from the new model.
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I would seriously consider the new outback 3.6R in the new touring trim when my lease is up. Or maybe a Levorg (harty har har)
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Anyone have a diagram of the "ultra" quattro? I don't understand how it gets 100% torque to the rear.

Peace,

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I would seriously consider the new outback 3.6R in the new touring trim when my lease is up. Or maybe a Levorg (harty har har)
I really like the Allroad. However, the 3.6R gives you a lot for the money and I would have trouble justifying the Allroad over the Outback. It is a good bit bigger than the Allroad though. And if I'm going up to the Outback size, I might as well get a Lexus RX350 since I can get one for about the same price as an Outback with the discount I get through family (they are within 3 inches of each other when you compare length, height, and width).
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Anyone have a diagram of the "ultra" quattro? I don't understand how it gets 100% torque to the rear.

Peace,

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It accomplishes this apparently by being a 'uge unit between the back wheels. Massive.
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THE current outback is much bigger than my B8.5 allroad. THE new B9 may be bigger. The interior of the allroad is amazing and comfortable, and has high points, but it also has low points.

I cannot change the track on my songs I am listening to on the steering wheel. I have to use the center console round knob. Minor thing I know, but seemingly strange omission. The car does take forever to link up with my phone every time. NO idea why. THE sound system is the best I have ever heard in car period, including aftermarket systems.

The way it drives is fantastic. I may be in another allroad when my lease is up. Hard to tell. The idea of leasing vs owning is new to me. I know this is not my car. I am only renting it. Not sure I like that. We will see. THe biggest minus is the dealer is not close to me. I have to go 26 miles to down town Houston. Which I hate.
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