Welcome to the North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club Sunday July 13, 2014
Home Forums WikiNASIOC Products Store Modifications Upgrade Garage
NASIOC
Here you can view your subscribed threads, work with private messages and edit your profile and preferences Home Registration is free! Visit the NASIOC Store NASIOC Rules Search Find other members Frequently Asked Questions Calendar Archive NASIOC Upgrade Garage Logout
Go Back   NASIOC > NASIOC General > News & Rumors > Non-Subaru News & Rumors

Welcome to NASIOC - The world's largest online community for Subaru enthusiasts!
Welcome to the NASIOC.com Subaru forum.

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, free of charge, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, so please join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 04-18-2013, 08:37 AM   #351
mhoward1
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 9481
Join Date: Aug 2001
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: FFR Challenge #43
Vehicle:
2011 Carrera 4s
2009 BMW M5

Default

I think we may see the equivalent of an SVO though.
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
mhoward1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-18-2013, 08:38 AM   #352
Calamity Jesus
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 44501
Join Date: Oct 2003
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: in a minefield of caddishness.
Vehicle:
1984 "Skeletor from
"He-Man"

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by hkerekes View Post
IMO they wont have another BOSS 302. Ecoboost 5.0 would be nice but i cant see them doing it. 800 whp mustang???
You'd hope so.. to keep the value of yours up.. but special edition Mustangs are Ford's thing.
Calamity Jesus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-18-2013, 09:14 AM   #353
SWP n Gold
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 110783
Join Date: Mar 2006
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: Stamford, CT
Vehicle:
2010 WRX
Satin White Pearl

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by hkerekes View Post
IMO they wont have another BOSS 302. Ecoboost 5.0 would be nice but i cant see them doing it. 800 whp mustang???
Why would it have to have 800whp?

Even if they made the EcoBoost 5.0 (for the GT500) with "only" 600bhp, it would still weigh less, be more efficient and probably get better mileage so it's a win-win.

Last edited by SWP n Gold; 04-18-2013 at 09:50 AM.
SWP n Gold is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-18-2013, 04:51 PM   #354
zzyzx
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 815
Join Date: Jan 2000
Location: Florida
Vehicle:
2013 Boss 302 White
2000 2.5 RS Coupe Silver

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by hkerekes View Post
IMO they wont have another BOSS 302. Ecoboost 5.0 would be nice but i cant see them doing it. 800 whp mustang???
More than just your opinion, apparently Ford's also.

Quote:
The abbreviated run of the track-oriented Ford Mustang Boss 302 was by design, says Ford Motor Co. COO Mark Fields.

Speaking April 6 at the Barrett-Jackson auction in Palm Beach, Fla., Fields told Speed TV the two-year availability helps protect the Mustang's value for collectors.

“We really want to preserve the value of those vehicles,” Fields said on Speed.
zzyzx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-19-2013, 01:25 PM   #355
FaastLegacy
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 11671
Join Date: Oct 2001
Chapter/Region: SWIC
Location: Gilbert, AZ
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by zzyzx View Post
More than just your opinion, apparently Ford's also.
They said that when the '03 Mach 1 came out too, and then a limited production one year run became a "let's make as many as we can sell" two year run. Fast forward to 2013, and the Mach 1s don't have much of a premium in resale over a basic GT.

Quote:
I'll believe it when I see it. The EcoBoost 3.5L and the N/A 5.0L occupy essentially the same position, as does the EcoBoost 2.0L and the NA 3.7L.
Bingo!

The Ecoboost 3.5 will never happen because it's far too comparable to the current NA 5.0. That rumor has been ongoing since before the '11s hit the dealerships, but Ford's stated position has always been that it would never happen for fear of cannablizing Coyote sales. From a marketing perspective, that's far too much fragmentation as well. You've got a 305 V6, an underrated 350 hp Ecoboost and now a ~430ish hp (DI?) GT? The Ecoboost models usually command a premium so you're going to have Ecoboosts selling for the same price of a Coyote GT? That seems destined for failure.

The Ecoboost 2.0L I'm skeptical about as well. People(read:Americans) that buy these cars aren't interested in four bangers, and especially if this four banger stickers more than the 3.7 NA V6 does.

Here's what I see happening in the USDM(since it's now a global car):

GT500 - Ecoboost Coyote.
GT - 5.0 Coyote, perhaps with DI and a slight power bump.
Base model - 3.7 V6.

I'm curious to see what happens to the Roadrunner that was in the now defunct Boss. Perhaps that could be reborn in another special model. The Mach 1 is due for a reboot, or potentially another Bullitt.
FaastLegacy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-19-2013, 02:49 PM   #356
heavyD
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 194216
Join Date: Nov 2008
Chapter/Region: W. Canada
Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Vehicle:
2013 STI Sport-tech

Default

Pretty sure that the 2.3L ecoboost is a done deal as an engine option. The ecoboost V6 was never an option as it's more expensive than the 5.0L coyote and serves no purpose but to push the price of the Mustang up for similar to V8 performance. Only real question is if the V6 will be dropped completely.
heavyD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-19-2013, 03:04 PM   #357
SWP n Gold
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 110783
Join Date: Mar 2006
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: Stamford, CT
Vehicle:
2010 WRX
Satin White Pearl

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by heavyD View Post
Pretty sure that the 2.3L ecoboost is a done deal as an engine option. The ecoboost V6 was never an option as it's more expensive than the 5.0L coyote and serves no purpose but to push the price of the Mustang up for similar to V8 performance. Only real question is if the V6 will be dropped completely.
I believe that's going to be the base model since the EcoBoost 4 will cost more than the n/a V6.
SWP n Gold is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-20-2013, 01:08 PM   #358
Z/WRX
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 129301
Join Date: Oct 2006
Default

What I remember reading a while back was that the ecoboost 4 was already approved but would not be coming to the US. It is to serve as the baseline mustang in Europe where turbo 4's are accepted and preferred. Here in the US the NA V6 will remain the baseline mustang. So essentially both will be available just not in the same market. It was then speculated that later on a special edition SVO would hit the US midway through the model life-cycle to revamp sales
Z/WRX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-20-2013, 09:15 PM   #359
hkerekes
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 66310
Join Date: Jul 2004
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: Removing passenger seat
Vehicle:
2012 Orange

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SWP n Gold View Post
Why would it have to have 800whp?

Even if they made the EcoBoost 5.0 (for the GT500) with "only" 600bhp, it would still weigh less, be more efficient and probably get better mileage so it's a win-win.
Adding a turbo at 15 psi to a BOSS 302 = 850+ RWHP

Coyote/roadrunner motors love boost. A simple blower 10 ish psi = 650 whp
hkerekes is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-20-2013, 09:31 PM   #360
SWP n Gold
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 110783
Join Date: Mar 2006
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: Stamford, CT
Vehicle:
2010 WRX
Satin White Pearl

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by hkerekes View Post
Adding a turbo at 15 psi to a BOSS 302 = 850+ RWHP

Coyote/roadrunner motors love boost. A simple blower 10 ish psi = 650 whp
I don't think an ecoboost 5.0 is going to be comparable to installing an aftermarket turbo system on a naturally aspirated 5.0 in terms of power.
SWP n Gold is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-20-2013, 09:45 PM   #361
pauli133
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 233261
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Herndon, VA, USA
Vehicle:
2005 Outback XT
Silver

Default

I'm still hoping they release an EcoBoss 302, just because it would make me giggle.
pauli133 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-21-2013, 01:43 PM   #362
arf80
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 125580
Join Date: Sep 2006
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: North NJ
Vehicle:
2011 WRX 5dr
OBP

Default

Is the 5.0 able to handle that stock? I thought those motors were close to maxed out from the factory. The Boss does have forged internals I guess.
arf80 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-21-2013, 01:51 PM   #363
FaastLegacy
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 11671
Join Date: Oct 2001
Chapter/Region: SWIC
Location: Gilbert, AZ
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by arf80 View Post
Is the 5.0 able to handle that stock? I thought those motors were close to maxed out from the factory. The Boss does have forged internals I guess.
Regular Coyotes are good for 600ish whp before you have to start worrying about them. Guys are pushing more than that, but the jury is still out on the reliability of doing so. The Roadrunner(Boss motor) should be good for at least ~750whp with its forged internals.
FaastLegacy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-21-2013, 04:35 PM   #364
hkerekes
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 66310
Join Date: Jul 2004
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: Removing passenger seat
Vehicle:
2012 Orange

Default

I dont think anyone has broken a BOSS motor. Just adding a blower / injectors/ boost a pump / tune, you get 650 rwhp.

Hellion TT kit at 15psi = 862 rwhp. Stock longblock....... Its hardly comparable to a coyote but its easy to duplicate.
hkerekes is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-09-2013, 10:33 AM   #365
SWP n Gold
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 110783
Join Date: Mar 2006
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: Stamford, CT
Vehicle:
2010 WRX
Satin White Pearl

Default

2015 Ford Mustang: Getting Sprayed Down with a Can of Retro-Be-Gone



Quote:
Call it Ford's Declaration of Independents. After half a century of log-axle Mustangs with only one brief experiment with an independently suspended rear end (the 1999–2004 SVT Cobra), Ford will hang a split-and-jointed drive axle beneath the 2015 Mustang's hindquarters. Considering that both the Chevrolet Camaro and Dodge Challenger already have independent rears, it's not quite as revolutionary as "We hold these truths . . ." But even with today's outdated rigid axle, the Mustang is already our favorite in this class, and a new unibody platform with its wheelbase and front and rear tracks all cinched tighter should help keep the Ford ahead of its peers.

While the current Mustang is slavishly, unimaginatively retro, Ford has pretty much mined out its glory days, the as-yet unrealized Mustang II redux notwithstanding. So the next car will be fearlessly modern. Many Mustang faithful are up in arms at the *prospect of Ford's next hot rod looking too much like the 2011 Evos concept car, but we have confidence. Between the Focus and the Fusion, Ford's styling department is on a hot streak.

The next Mustang will have at least one retro cue, though: an available turbocharged four-cylinder engine. Absent from the lineup since the 1986 SVO, the forced-induction four returns in the guise of Ford's EcoBoost 2.0-liter, which makes 252 horsepower in the Focus ST. Don't expect that figure to change much for the Mustang, where the 2.0 will sit between the car's two currently available engines. Priced higher than a revised version of the 3.7-liter V-6—rated at 305 horses in today's car—the four will be pitched as a balance of power and efficiency. Ford's 5.0-liter V-8 will top the range. The Blue Oval can't afford to leave the Camaro ZL1 unchallenged, and so another GT500 is a certainty; less certain, however, is what will power it. Pedestrian-protection standards will restrict the underhood clearances in the next car, cutting the space available not just for the Shelby's top-mount supercharger and intercooler, but also its tall-deck engine block. We suspect Ford will find a way to nestle a pair of turbos against the 5.0's block. With all engines, a six-speed manual will be standard, and we hear that an eight-speed automatic will arrive fashionably late.

Commonly referred to as a "1964-1/2" but technically a 1965, the first Mustang appeared at the New York World's Fair on April 17, 1964. Ford isn't going to miss the opportunity to throw the Mustang one heck of a 50th birthday party. April 17, 2014 will be a Thursday. It should be significantly more exciting than your average Thursday.
I was hoping for more power in the 4-cyl Ecoboost model; hopefully they're wrong. Also, this is the first time I've heard anything about the N/A V6 being revised for the 2015 model. Maybe DI or just a small power bump?
SWP n Gold is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-09-2013, 11:08 AM   #366
FaastLegacy
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 11671
Join Date: Oct 2001
Chapter/Region: SWIC
Location: Gilbert, AZ
Default

So, presumably, the Ecoboost is going to make less power, but be more expensive than the V6?



I don't see this ending well. Your average Mustang customer isn't sophisticated enough to be able to appreciate the technology in the Ecoboost. Especially when you tell him it's going to make less horsepowers for more money. In terms of efficiency, IIRC, the current V6 is already rated similarly to the Ecoboost in the FST, so where are the gains in efficiency going to be made?
FaastLegacy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-09-2013, 11:59 AM   #367
WRXHillClimb
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 206907
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Abq, NM
Vehicle:
2014 EvoX GSR
2005 S2000 Track Car

Default

If that rendering is even 90% accurate and it comes with IRS like everyone seems to report, this will be my first new car purchase and the s can enjoy it's time as a dedicated track rat. Keep it up ford, give us that Aston Mustang we all want . Anything like DI, more power, and less weight will just be bonus at that point.
WRXHillClimb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-09-2013, 01:45 PM   #368
subyski
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 202642
Join Date: Nov 2007
Chapter/Region: RMIC
Location: Centennial, Colorado
Vehicle:
'08 2.5i,'65 Stang
'80 Vette L82,'73 914 2.0

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by FaastLegacy View Post
So, presumably, the Ecoboost is going to make less power, but be more expensive than the V6?



I don't see this ending well. Your average Mustang customer isn't sophisticated enough to be able to appreciate the technology in the Ecoboost. Especially when you tell him it's going to make less horsepowers for more money. In terms of efficiency, IIRC, the current V6 is already rated similarly to the Ecoboost in the FST, so where are the gains in efficiency going to be made?
I agree. The 2.0 Ecoboost in the FST gets 23/32 mpg (city/hwy) while the V6 Mustang gets 19/29 with MT. So if the same Ecoboost is thrown into the larger Mustang, expect mpg to drop 1-2 mpg. Even if there is no change in mpg, the 2.0 Ecoboost would be a harder sell being priced higher, less power, and not much better mpg than the V6. If anything, the 2.0 Ecoboost should be priced lower than the V6 and promote the slight increase in efficiency but have adequate power.

Either way, I think the new Mustang will look great and must have IRS to really catapult it to the top. Ford has done a great job tuning the suspension of the current solid rear axle and gives great hope to what they do with IRS.
subyski is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-09-2013, 01:51 PM   #369
sential
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 105288
Join Date: Jan 2006
Default



Hmmm... The rendering doesn't look bad, although, I kinda wish they'd keep the b-pillar of the current one....
sential is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-09-2013, 03:31 PM   #370
Vostok 7
NASIOC Supporter
 
Member#: 30209
Join Date: Nov 2002
Chapter/Region: NWIC
Location: Get a real car.
Vehicle:
Bro, don't get it
twisted, bro.

Default

That rendering is probably pretty close, but the headlights will be bigger and the lower facia will be less Fusion derivative. Just my guesses of course. The rest of it I like.
Vostok 7 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-09-2013, 03:42 PM   #371
DeeezNuuuts83
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 34406
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Southern California
Vehicle:
2006 Evolution IX
graphite gray

Default

^ I'd agree about the headlights likely being bigger for the production model. A really slim unit with all of that stuff inside the cluster will kick up the production costs.
DeeezNuuuts83 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-09-2013, 04:33 PM   #372
arf80
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 125580
Join Date: Sep 2006
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: North NJ
Vehicle:
2011 WRX 5dr
OBP

Default

It will also have 3 times the wheel gap.
arf80 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-09-2013, 04:43 PM   #373
SWP n Gold
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 110783
Join Date: Mar 2006
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: Stamford, CT
Vehicle:
2010 WRX
Satin White Pearl

Default

The headlights are probably only going to be slightly larger, they're not that much smaller than the Fusion's:


SWP n Gold is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-09-2013, 06:07 PM   #374
HipToBeSquare
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 119958
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: (IA) flyover cornfield country
Vehicle:
1992 SVX LS-L

Default

I like it. Maybe the first mustang since my old Fox body that could get me back into Mustangs again.

However, two small things... The maw looks like a weird catfish. I had hoped that wouldn't progress past the Focus.... Maybe a blacked out surround might help.

The up-swept quarter window is getting too common.

Genesis Coupe, BRZ/FRS, Nissan Z, Camaro, Challenger, Aston Martin, and many sedans, like the pictured fusion, and all new Subarus, are going to the upswept, some even multi-angle-change faceted upsweep (subaru Impreza 5-door/XV)

It is getting over-used. Modern is fine, but a little bit of uniqueness in the side window graphic might be good.

This is obviously a purely speculative rendering, so there is still hope that it will not have those two small visual aspects.
HipToBeSquare is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-09-2013, 07:43 PM   #375
Vostok 7
NASIOC Supporter
 
Member#: 30209
Join Date: Nov 2002
Chapter/Region: NWIC
Location: Get a real car.
Vehicle:
Bro, don't get it
twisted, bro.

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by HipToBeSquare View Post
I like it. Maybe the first mustang since my old Fox body that could get me back into Mustangs again.

However, two small things... The maw looks like a weird catfish. I had hoped that wouldn't progress past the Focus.... Maybe a blacked out surround might help.

The up-swept quarter window is getting too common.

Genesis Coupe, BRZ/FRS, Nissan Z, Camaro, Challenger, Aston Martin, and many sedans, like the pictured fusion, and all new Subarus, are going to the upswept, some even multi-angle-change faceted upsweep (subaru Impreza 5-door/XV)

It is getting over-used. Modern is fine, but a little bit of uniqueness in the side window graphic might be good.

This is obviously a purely speculative rendering, so there is still hope that it will not have those two small visual aspects.
The chrome surround and the lower fascia completely lifted from the Fusion are the two elements I would expect to not see on the finished product as I mentioned earlier. Recent generations of Mustang have been pretty chrome-free as they should be (stick-on addons notwithstanding), and I don't see them changing that. And as far as the lower fascia, I doubt they want it to be directly connected to the Fusion in that way. It will need to stand out a little more.

I think they've also said that the big fogs in the grille won't be going away either, or at least will be an option.
Vostok 7 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Refreshed Mustang coming in 2013, next generation to be 2015 model AVANTI R5 Non-Subaru News & Rumors 20 08-07-2011 01:42 PM
Rumormill: 2015 Ford Mustang to get 2.3-liter EcoBoost AVANTI R5 Non-Subaru News & Rumors 25 06-05-2011 08:26 PM
New Braille Battery 2015 - $120 shipped psmBoXer Private 'For Sale' Classifieds 7 01-27-2006 02:02 PM
Wal-Mart Seeks to Double Truck Fuel Economy by 2015 FunkerVogt Political Playground 25 12-19-2005 03:44 PM
What will our Subie look like in 2015? wallew Off-Topic 44 07-10-2005 03:18 AM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:48 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Powered by Searchlight © 2014 Axivo Inc.
Copyright ©1999 - 2014, North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club, Inc.