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Old 07-17-2013, 04:10 PM   #776
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What is your point?

People with issues gripe when they have a receptive audience. How many Mustang owners have no issues what so ever? How Many stock WRXs are fine with their 5 speeds? How many stock STI's have NOT blown a ring land?

A handful of issues does not an empidemic problem make. I would buy any one of those cars with no worries at all. The percentages are VASTLY in my favor.

Interwebz forums are good for making mountains out of molehills.
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Old 07-17-2013, 04:16 PM   #777
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What is your point?

People with issues gripe when they have a receptive audience. How many Mustang owners have no issues what so ever? How Many stock WRXs are fine with their 5 speeds? How many stock STI's have NOT blown a ring land?

A handful of issues does not an empidemic problem make. I would buy any one of those cars with no worries at all. The percentages are VASTLY in my favor.

Interwebz forums are good for making mountains out of molehills.
I imagne a lot of Mustang owners may have no problem just like a lot of VW owners have no problem. We all know that VW has a bad rap and I imagine that even you know that some of it is deserved with past models being unreliable. I think the new ones are better but VW is still paying for past sins and I get the feeling this is why you are defensive because you get this a lot.

With the Mustang I'm willing to bet you would have at least one of the issues acutally what is funny is that some of those posters I quoted used to be in the "my Mustang has been perfect camp" when I had my car lol. Actually very confident you would have at least one of the issues. The QC is poor on the cars. It is what it is and a lot of lifelong Ford owners accept this much like Subaru owners accept that their cars are going to rattle inside. It's part of the brand ownership.

Forums are also good for consumers to voice their problems and find solutions. Before the internet consumers were usually left to suck it up and accept substandard product. A lot of 2009 WRX owners may have been SOL if they didn't know that Subaru had a bearing issue on the August 2008 builds and thanks to the internet they could go to their dealer with ammunition for warranty. Witouth the knowledge of the contaminated crankshafts Subaru could have played hardball with a lot of the consumers. That was a real problem not blown out or proportion remember?

I'm not a hater. If the new Mustang turns out to be what I think it will be I will probably buy one as I loved my 2012. It's just going to take some time for me to get over the numerous problems with the current model and regain faith in that brand.

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Old 07-17-2013, 07:33 PM   #778
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It's all song and dance until it happens to you and you find out you aren't alone.

I took all these posts from current threads at AFM they are all current posts. Didn't have to dig or anything and I could have filled pages as I just picked a random few. I sold my car last year but these topics were the same then as they are today and I had all those issues below and more on an 18 month old car.
You couldn't have picked a worse Mustang forum to frequent, and I recognize you from over there. AFM is full of a bunch of whining crybabies including that libelous '****tard who will remain nameless who actually got specifically called out by Ford for making false accusations and encouraging people to lie and overstate their problems with their cars. After that, I went over to SVTP and haven't been back. AFM is full of a bunch of V6 owners and know nothings. They aren't representative of anything, as far as I'm concerned.

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With the Mustang I'm willing to bet you would have at least one of the issues acutally what is funny is that some of those posters I quoted used to be in the "my Mustang has been perfect camp" when I had my car lol. Actually very confident you would have at least one of the issues. The QC is poor on the cars. It is what it is and a lot of lifelong Ford owners accept this much like Subaru owners accept that their cars are going to rattle inside. It's part of the brand ownership.
I mostly agree and it comes down to having realistic expectations. If you want BMW quality, then don't buy a $30k American car. It seems to be a pretty simple concept to me.

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Forums are also good for consumers to voice their problems and find solutions. Before the internet consumers were usually left to suck it up and accept substandard product. A lot of 2009 WRX owners may have been SOL if they didn't know that Subaru had a bearing issue on the August 2008 builds and thanks to the internet they could go to their dealer with ammunition for warranty. Witouth the knowledge of the contaminated crankshafts Subaru could have played hardball with a lot of the consumers. That was a real problem not blown out or proportion remember?
They're also bad in the respect that you get the vocal minority that feels slighted or wronged, and they bitch to the high heavens and greatly overstate an issue. Enter the aforementioned individual who went as far as to create a forum of his own to bitch about his car after he was banned from every Mustang forum on the internet for being a tool. If you research said individual, you'll see that he's been bitching about every car he's ever owned in the past two decades. I found him over on Challenger talk bitching about his new SRT-8 that he bought after his Mustang not too long ago.

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Those were *your* problems. Not everyone has had the same experience. The only problem I've had with my car is one of the speakers was blown when I took delivery and I'm not sure that wasn't the result of some yahoo overdriving the speakers on a test drive. (The car had 70 miles on it when I bought it).
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Old 07-17-2013, 07:39 PM   #779
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What is your point?

People with issues gripe when they have a receptive audience. How many Mustang owners have no issues what so ever? How Many stock WRXs are fine with their 5 speeds? How many stock STI's have NOT blown a ring land?

A handful of issues does not an empidemic problem make. I would buy any one of those cars with no worries at all. The percentages are VASTLY in my favor.

Interwebz forums are good for making mountains out of molehills.
And that's the thing - people don't pipe up when they're perfectly happy with their car. How often do you see someone creating threads or going on a crusade just to expound on the joys of owning their car?

Never.
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Old 07-18-2013, 12:35 AM   #780
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I have some issues with my car, but unless i am driving it hard they dont surface.

Normal everyday driving the thing is flawless. I'm at 18k and i had it in the dealer once. The passenger side mirror glass adhesive didnt stick well and the glass was drooping.

If its below 30 degrees it will slightly grind second, once the car warms up the grind is gone. There is a TSB for it that does fix the issue i just never got around to it and starting in 2nd or even 3rd is no problem. I have tracked the car and honestly drive the car hard daily and it just takes the punishment.

My gripes are that the clutch which is a big single disc just isnt up to the 7500 rpm shifts. It has so much force/power to deal with it doesnt cope well. An aftermarket clutch twin or single fixes the shifting lockout issues. Also the stock shifter works fine under normal driving but with it being body mounted and slightly sloppy, hard high rpm shifts are easy to miss.
That being said those two issues completely disappear with normal driving.

I have never had a car that gives me so much joy when i drive it. You cant go anywhere without a smile on your face. Driving it like a sane normal person is difficult.
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Old 07-18-2013, 07:36 AM   #781
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Renders look good.
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Old 07-25-2013, 08:16 PM   #782
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It will look good. Excited to watch them roll off the line.
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Old 07-26-2013, 11:32 AM   #783
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Guy I work with that has an '11 GT500 claims he saw an ad during the previews of a movie he went to, showing the silhouette of the '15. I said he's full of ****, but he claims he was certain.

I hope the headroom/legroom doesn't decrease from current model. Never could fit in the SN95 bodystyle.
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Old 07-27-2013, 09:58 AM   #784
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Guy I work with that has an '11 GT500 claims he saw an ad during the previews of a movie he went to, showing the silhouette of the '15. I said he's full of ****, but he claims he was certain.

I hope the headroom/legroom doesn't decrease from current model. Never could fit in the SN95 bodystyle.
I've read on the mustang6g forum that some say the hero car from that Need For Speed has cues of the '15. I take everything on that site with a pound of salt.

I saw some cool stuff this week at the plant.

Also keep seeing an S550 mule (one of the S197 bodied ones) driving by my house on a consistent basis.
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Old 07-30-2013, 12:54 PM   #785
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Guy I work with that has an '11 GT500 claims he saw an ad during the previews of a movie he went to, showing the silhouette of the '15. I said he's full of ****, but he claims he was certain.

I hope the headroom/legroom doesn't decrease from current model. Never could fit in the SN95 bodystyle.
Your coworker needs to brush up on his Mustangs, or cars in general. That commercial was a silhouette of the 4 series BMW. I saw the same ad last week in the theater.
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Old 08-02-2013, 05:11 AM   #786
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Possibly Ecoboosted mule - based on what little can be heard.
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Old 08-02-2013, 10:16 AM   #787
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Man this thread is all over the place. Its fun to watch
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Old 08-02-2013, 12:14 PM   #788
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Based on the fact that the silver car in that video is an Elantra sedan and how small that car actually is, I'd say the mustang is looking smaller too. Perfect formula for cutting weight; I bet they get their goal...

So excited.
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Old 08-03-2013, 10:58 AM   #789
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Talked to a supplier yesterday who said the new knuckle will have a set up similar to the Camaro. He mentioned double ball joints...I'm not up on the suspension design on the Camaro. I'll have to googlez it.
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Old 08-03-2013, 09:48 PM   #790
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Front on the current Camaro is a McPherson while the rear is a multi link. Would be somewhat odd to see two ball joints on a strut front, but very easy to see that on the rear.
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I have some issues with my car, but unless i am driving it hard they dont surface.

Normal everyday driving the thing is flawless. I'm at 18k and i had it in the dealer once. The passenger side mirror glass adhesive didnt stick well and the glass was drooping.

If its below 30 degrees it will slightly grind second, once the car warms up the grind is gone. There is a TSB for it that does fix the issue i just never got around to it and starting in 2nd or even 3rd is no problem. I have tracked the car and honestly drive the car hard daily and it just takes the punishment.

My gripes are that the clutch which is a big single disc just isnt up to the 7500 rpm shifts. It has so much force/power to deal with it doesnt cope well. An aftermarket clutch twin or single fixes the shifting lockout issues. Also the stock shifter works fine under normal driving but with it being body mounted and slightly sloppy, hard high rpm shifts are easy to miss.
That being said those two issues completely disappear with normal driving.

I have never had a car that gives me so much joy when i drive it. You cant go anywhere without a smile on your face. Driving it like a sane normal person is difficult.
hows the traction on low gears under wot?
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Old 08-03-2013, 10:44 PM   #792
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Based on the fact that the silver car in that video is an Elantra sedan and how small that car actually is, I'd say the mustang is looking smaller too. Perfect formula for cutting weight; I bet they get their goal...

So excited.
I never understood why 2 door american cars are so big. There are plenty of SUVs for the fatties.
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Front on the current Camaro is a McPherson while the rear is a multi link. Would be somewhat odd to see two ball joints on a strut front, but very easy to see that on the rear.
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hows the traction on low gears under wot?
Traction in 1st and 2nd can be problematic. It depends on how early you get on the throttle and how much rpm you give it.

If you can get the rear end to squat in a low rpm it will hook up and stay straight. If you cant the tires will spin hard and the car will go sideways all the way thru first and second.
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Old 08-04-2013, 08:53 AM   #795
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Traction in 1st and 2nd can be problematic. It depends on how early you get on the throttle and how much rpm you give it.

If you can get the rear end to squat in a low rpm it will hook up and stay straight. If you cant the tires will spin hard and the car will go sideways all the way thru first and second.
Yeah, but that's the fun part
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Old 08-04-2013, 12:55 PM   #796
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I never understood why 2 door american cars are so big. There are plenty of SUVs for the fatties.
Cause everyone is fat in America, including car enthusiasts.
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Traction in 1st and 2nd can be problematic. It depends on how early you get on the throttle and how much rpm you give it.

If you can get the rear end to squat in a low rpm it will hook up and stay straight. If you cant the tires will spin hard and the car will go sideways all the way thru first and second.
is that with the torsen lsd?
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I never understood why 2 door american cars are so big. There are plenty of SUVs for the fatties.
Well, with pony cars, it's because they originally were large sedan platform derivations, and some still are.

Not all of us want to drive 2500 lb Miatas either.
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So no control arm in the typical sense then. Interesting.
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I'm not sure as I haven't seen any S550 stuff with the exception of a couple body bits here and there.
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