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Old 08-09-2012, 04:57 PM   #101
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premium fuel improves fuel economy? isnt that the opposite of what premium does?
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Old 08-09-2012, 05:37 PM   #102
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premium fuel improves fuel economy? isnt that the opposite of what premium does?
For a given compression ratio, yes, premium has less BTUs. Premium might enable a higher compression ratio or more aggressive timing that'd in turn lead to higher fuel economy, though.
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Old 08-10-2012, 08:22 AM   #103
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Hey man that was a different post. I can't be expected to read every post now can I?

If a car is designed for premium it certainly does get better economy with it.
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Old 08-10-2012, 04:03 PM   #104
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I talked to the dealer...they said to put some "stabil" in it so it doesn't go bad.

Edit: Surprise...the user forums already know more about the car than the dealerships do.
http://gm-volt.com/forum/showthread....tale-fuel-burn

Apparently once the gas is a year old the car will prompt you to use half a tank so that you can refresh it...we just haven' seen that screen prompt yet.

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Old 08-10-2012, 04:31 PM   #105
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I talked to the dealer...they said to put some "stabil" in it so it doesn't go bad.

Edit: Surprise...the user forums already know more about the car than the dealerships do.
http://gm-volt.com/forum/showthread....tale-fuel-burn

Apparently once the gas is a year old the car will prompt you to use half a tank so that you can refresh it...we just haven' seen that screen prompt yet.
Wow some of those guys are really looking for ways NOT to burn their fuel. They should just leave it unplugged for a couple days every 3 months, burn off a couple gallons, then refresh it. It won't go stale, and they won't get the 12 month message. That is a much better idea than trying to put as little fuel into the car as possible once a year. Its a $40K car, not a lot of sense in forcing the issue and risking engine damage.
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Old 08-10-2012, 04:33 PM   #106
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Those guys should have bought a pure BEV if that's what they truly wanted.
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Old 08-10-2012, 04:37 PM   #107
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Those guys should have bought a pure BEV if that's what they truly wanted.
No kidding. Looks like some of those people would have happen to let the ICE sit there and never do anything. Apparently none of those guys have ever had the joy of trying to start an engine that sat idle for multiple years...
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Old 08-11-2012, 03:06 PM   #108
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Well, in all honesty you are right...some of them are a little crazy.

I think a lot of them wanted a BEV only, but the best mass produced battery tech is still in the Volt hands down so they went that direction.

The same guys on the forums are not too supportive of the Leaf (ie. lacking thermal management, loss of range, not meeting the 100km spec even when new), or the laughable Prius Plugin (<10 miles of range for an 8 hour charge), but are interested in the Fisker and Tesla's due to the higher capacity batteries and rapid charge times.

I take it or leave it...we are enjoying the car as a "moderate" fans so far.

We bought it and are enjoying it, but I'm not willing to jump through hoops to trick the car into using the battery more often etc., all the over the top stuff some of these guys are doing. I'm not even interested in hypermiling anymore, tried it, don't care for it. I like to put it into sports mode and surprise people at the lights with 280ft lb's of 0 rpm instant torque.
(That's why I'm rarely allowed to drive it.)

Our daily usage is just super compatible with Chevy's design intent and so far that is showing in our stats and lack of gasoline use.
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Old 09-01-2012, 10:51 AM   #109
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No new info either on the car in question or my plans, but I figured I'd crosspost this here from Google+ since not everyone nearly no one follows my rampant posting there:

Reformatted from https://plus.google.com/u/0/11547941...ts/B54KuMoHckT

>>>>>

I find it interesting that the The New York Times released their RAV4 EV review today. (Actually, technically, it's dated tomorrow, part of the Sunday edition.) I hope that this implies that the actual release date is drawing very near! I await the real release date eagerly because with that will come an official list of the California dealers who will be selling it as well as a clearer picture of availability.

My wife and I hope to acquire one as closely approximated as possible to our upcoming move to Seattle in June, so for us the dealer and availability information is key. Buying one a bit before we move would be fine, even: We wouldn't have it shipped here to NY, of course: illegally partitioned rental house with awful, unresponsive landlord; expensive, unclean electricity; and the need to ship it again cross country imminently. Instead we'd have it shipped from California up to Seattle, to my mother in law's house, the house in which we will be living for the 2013-2014 academic year as I complete a fellowship, the final year off my interminable training.

She owns the house, has already approved us installing the requisite charger EVSE, and a hypothetical RAV4 EV could certainly sit in the driveway behind her house for a month or three idly tethered to the grid via just the ~1 kW level 1 110V cord and a standard outdoor power outlet. This would be solely in order to keep that big Tesla battery topped up/un-bricked before my wife and I arrived, of course, so 110V charging times would be entirely irrelevant unless my mother in law took it for an extended spin. Once we arrive, we would pay for and oversee the 9.6 kW level 2 EVSE installation, adopt some (or complete?) responsibility for the house's electric bill (along with signing up for the Green Up program that would zero out the electricity's carbon footprint), and only then would start driving it in earnest.

The potential fly in the ointment will be getting approved for a loan prior to moving. Once in Seattle we will have plenty of cash to spare for the loan (even an outsized one for a $50k-before-$7.5k-tax-credit car--recall again that we will be living essentially rent free with my mother in law) but here in NY we are rendered effectively poor by our tremendous rent and utilities obligations... I'll see if a compelling story told to a banker plus my Seattle contract in hand will get me in the door, but I have my doubts.
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Old 09-01-2012, 11:02 AM   #110
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Why not just buy it after you move to Seattle?
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Old 09-01-2012, 11:05 AM   #111
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It's unfortunate even with the "4WD" system they use on the Highlander hybrid and gasoline Hybrid/RAV4, I'd still buy a Subaru over this FWD hybrid CUV just because Subaru has AWD that actually works as intended and advertised.
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Old 09-01-2012, 11:22 AM   #112
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It's unfortunate even with the "4WD" system they use on the Highlander hybrid and gasoline Hybrid/RAV4, I'd still buy a Subaru over this FWD hybrid CUV just because Subaru has AWD that actually works as intended and advertised.
Uh, this isn't a hybrid. You may want to read the article(s) again. Also, how does your discussion of AWD play into this? I'm just plain confused now.

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Why not just buy it after you move to Seattle?
I'm anxious to get my hands on one as early as feasible given the planned production run of only 2,600 over 3 years, especially since no one knows whether they'll come lumped near the beginning of this 3 year period or will be made and sold at a more constant rate. Perhaps my concerns will be unfounded and they'll languish unsold, waiting for me to pick one up at my leisure, but perhaps not, and I don't want to take that chance.

Another factor is that right now my wife and I have pared down to one car (her Prius) and my bicycles. Even my motorcycle is in the process of being sold now, in my relentless goal of optimization: I'd rather ride my recently reacquired e-bike than my motorcycle and now is the season to sell, not winter... Anyway, once we get back to Seattle it'd be nice to have two cars once again given the rain and whatnot.

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Old 09-01-2012, 01:00 PM   #113
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50k huh? ill keep our forester at 23k new and 27 mpg.
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Old 09-01-2012, 01:22 PM   #114
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50k huh? ill keep our forester at 23k new and 27 mpg.
good decision. god bless.
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Old 09-01-2012, 01:26 PM   #115
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Uh, this isn't a hybrid. You may want to read the article(s) again. Also, how does your discussion of AWD play into this? I'm just plain confused now.
The reason why I referenced the Highlander hybrid is because of the 4WD system used specifically on the hybrid version of the Highlander which is different from the gasoline version.

You may want to read my response again. No where did I say that this RAV4 EV was a "hybrid." That was just your blatent assumption.

FYI: "It's unfortunate even with the "4WD" system they use on the Highlander hybrid and gasoline Hybrid/RAV4," should be read "gasoline Highlander/RAV4."

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Old 09-01-2012, 01:28 PM   #116
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Your English needs some work. Totally unclear what "this" in reference to a "FWD hybrid CUV" meant, not to mention your rambling mentions of a hybrid RAV4 (doesn't exist) and AWD vs FWD.
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Old 09-01-2012, 01:56 PM   #117
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Your English needs some work. Totally unclear what "this" in reference to a "FWD hybrid CUV" meant, not to mention your rambling mentions of a hybrid RAV4 (doesn't exist) and AWD vs FWD.
You do realize the context of the slash in my statement, right? If I meant hybrid RAV4, maybe I would have said so without having to say hybrid gasoline which is redundant in the instance of saying hybrid RAV.

The "FWD hybrid CUV" was in reference to the Highlander hybrid. You seem to be confused by what the difference is between AWD and 4WD. Using the terms interchangeably just means you're the one confusing yourself to begin with. Try not to blame others for your mistakes.

Don't worry. None of us will peg you as a Prius driver. Your e-pride is safe. There, there. Then again, there's nothing wrong with driving a hybrid to begin with.
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Old 09-01-2012, 02:00 PM   #118
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You do realize the context of the slash in my statement, right? If I meant hybrid RAV4, maybe I would have said so without having to say hybrid gasoline which is redundant in the instance of saying hybrid RAV.

The "FWD hybrid CUV" was in reference to the Highlander hybrid. You seem to be confused by what the difference is between AWD and 4WD. Using the terms interchangeably just means you're the one confusing yourself to begin with. Try not to blame others for your mistakes.

Don't worry. None of us will peg you as a Prius driver. Your e-pride is safe. There, there. Then again, there's nothing wrong with driving a hybrid to begin with.
I leave it as an exercise for the other, English-speaking and -writing thread participants to decide whether this guy's above statements jive with what he originally penned below:

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It's unfortunate even with the "4WD" system they use on the Highlander hybrid and gasoline Hybrid/RAV4, I'd still buy a Subaru over this FWD hybrid CUV just because Subaru has AWD that actually works as intended and advertised.
I still can't figure out what he's going on about even with his attempt at explanation quoted above.
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Old 09-01-2012, 03:54 PM   #119
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Models Toyota actually makes:
- FWD Highlander
- 4WD Highlander
- i4WD Highlander Hybrid
- FWD Rav4
- AWD Rav4
- FWD Rav4 EV

You were referring to the i4WD as being poor, I think, but then you dragged the Rav into it, which doesn't have i4WD because there isn't a hybrid Rav4. The i4WD basically has an electric motor attached to the rear differential so there is no mechanical attachment to the engine. The Rav4 with "motors" is the FWD EV, so going on about 4WD is a moot point in this thread in general. The gasoline Rav4 and Highlanders equipped with 4WD are both transverse mounted engines and transaxles with a transfer case and rear prop shaft going to a rear diff. So, which system are you talking about?

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Old 09-01-2012, 04:04 PM   #120
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Maybe he was talking about the 2006-2007-only FWD HiHy model (4WD-i was optional)? Actually, I think I'm giving him too much credit there. Your guess is as good as anyone's, as I still can't parse his original post.

http://www.edmunds.com/toyota/highla.../2006/?sub=suv
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Old 09-01-2012, 04:25 PM   #121
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Models Toyota actually makes:
- FWD Highlander
- 4WD Highlander
- i4WD Highlander Hybrid
- FWD Rav4
- AWD Rav4
- FWD Rav4 EV

You were referring to the i4WD as being poor, I think, but then you dragged the Rav into it, which doesn't have i4WD because there isn't a hybrid Rav4.
1.) Hrmm, like I said earlier, if you bothered to read the posts that came after that, maybe you'd notice I wasn't even speaking of a hybrid RAV4.


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The Rav4 with "motors" is the FWD EV, so going on about 4WD is a moot point in this thread in general.
2.) Actually, no, it's not a moot point when the vehicle we're speaking about is a CUV which has 4WD variants. But you are most certainly welcome to think what is moot and not.

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The gasoline Rav4 and Highlanders equipped with 4WD are both transverse mounted engines and transaxles with a transfer case and rear prop shaft going to a rear diff. So, which system are you talking about?
3.) See answer #1.
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1.) Hrmm, like I said earlier, if you bothered to read the posts that came after that, maybe you'd notice I wasn't even speaking of a hybrid RAV4.

2.) Actually, no, it's not a moot point when the vehicle we're speaking about is a CUV which has 4WD variants. But you are most certainly welcome to think what is moot and not.

3.) See answer #1.
That is the point. You were ranting about vehicles that aren't related to this post at all. If you're in for a Rav EV, you don't give a flip about AWD. Thus AWD is moot. Go moan in the next gen Rav thread.
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That is the point. You were ranting about vehicles that aren't related to this post at all. If you're in for a Rav EV, you don't give a flip about AWD. Thus AWD is moot. Go moan in the next gen Rav thread.
You seem to believe just because someone's interested in an EV they wouldn't be interested in an AWD EV. Especially an EV that happens to be a CUV which still has 4WD variants. Just because in you're obscure world EV's and AWD's don't get cross-shopped or "aren't related" doesn't mean it's a moot point to talk about EV's having AWD or not.

I guess Tesla would agree with me, the company that manufacturers the RAV4's batteries. Something about an AWD EV and the fact that it's not a moot point since it was an official car. Yeah, that's totally moot... not. But like I said, please by all means, continue to be ignorant and stubborn (or think that as you will).

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If you want an AWD EV, this isn't it. Move on. Are you sure you aren't related to Hip to Be Square? He kept going on and on about an AWD, 6 cyl coupe in the early, pre-release FT86 threads. Subaru and Toyota took his complaining to heart and they built precisely what he kept demanding.


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If you want an AWD EV, this isn't it. Move on.
No, really, Sherlock? I mean, that's what I've been saying since, what, my first post in this thread so clearly you've been either 1.) spirited away by damonchoy and his fangirlness or 2.) you're obviously lacking even more than that Weeaboo above me saying something about not being able to comprehend simple, modern day English.

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