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Old 05-12-2012, 12:24 PM   #1
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Old 05-12-2012, 01:11 PM   #2
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I'm kinda in support of this new law. I hate driving near/around or riding with people who are texting when they should be concentrating on driving. driving is a privilage, not a right. do it responsibly. And since mankind has proved over and over and over that we can not be responsible (insert my hatred for tire pressure monitors here) laws get forced upon us.

I don't have to worry about getting pulled over. I'll hardly answer my phone when driving, let alone check and respond to texts.
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Old 05-12-2012, 01:36 PM   #3
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Good luck getting APD to enforce this one. The Chief didn't even give himself a ticket after rear ending someone while checking his IPhone. "Thin blue line", indeed.
P.S. Our legislators are owned by big oil so don't expect lower gas prices any time soon-or ever.
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Old 05-12-2012, 01:39 PM   #4
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I don't see the problem ... It was needed.

One thing I'd like to see is better enforcement on those that don't have their headlights on. Such as when traveling down south, poor weather conditions or at night. People seem to blame every single reason they can think of for accidents on the Seward Hwy except that.
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Old 05-12-2012, 01:46 PM   #5
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One thing I'd like to see is better enforcement on those that don't have their headlights on. Such as when traveling down south, poor weather conditions or at night. People seem to blame every single reason they can think of for accidents on the Seward Hwy except that.
Hour before dusk, hour after dawn, and whenever you need to use your wipers...your headlights should be on.
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Old 05-12-2012, 01:58 PM   #6
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Good luck getting APD to enforce this one. The Chief didn't even give himself a ticket after rear ending someone while checking his IPhone. "Thin blue line", indeed.
P.S. Our legislators are owned by big oil so don't expect lower gas prices any time soon-or ever.
Interesting take... It is well documented that Oil is #1, Federal Government is #2 and everything else is a distant #3 in regards to industries that keep Alaska going (and keep us away from a State income tax). The gas prices are up nation wide by the same margins and there are multiple theories as to why but rest assured without oil Alaskans wouldn't be dodging a state income tax and we wouldnt be getting a PFD. (Note, I'm not debating the merits of dodging taxes or getting free money)

A majority of traffic laws are designed as an income stream 1st and safety second. If the state was out to save lives they would fix the passing lanes on roads that have annual fatalities (Turnugan arm, Kenai, KGB road etc.).

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Old 05-12-2012, 02:18 PM   #7
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I don't see the problem ... It was needed.

Like another hole in the head.

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Old 05-12-2012, 02:47 PM   #8
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What's the fine for this anyway?

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Old 05-12-2012, 03:53 PM   #9
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I don't see the big deal. You weren't allowed to text and drive anyways.
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Old 05-12-2012, 04:15 PM   #10
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I believe the law actually says "exempted vehicles- patrol, fire, response units blah blah..." so they won't be pulling each other over.
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Old 05-12-2012, 05:17 PM   #11
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I don't see the big deal. You weren't allowed to text and drive anyways.
Apparently, this is not the case. A Kenai judge said the "Distracted Driving" law was unclear and threw out a case of texting while driving.

The prosecutor never challenged the ruling with the supreme court. This was the stupid part.
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Old 05-12-2012, 08:42 PM   #12
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Interesting take... It is well documented that Oil is #1, Federal Government is #2 and everything else is a distant #3 in regards to industries that keep Alaska going (and keep us away from a State income tax). The gas prices are up nation wide by the same margins and there are multiple theories as to why but rest assured without oil Alaskans wouldn't be dodging a state income tax and we wouldnt be getting a PFD. (Note, I'm not debating the merits of dodging taxes or getting free money)...
I have to agree with Dubya on this. The price of gas in Alaska is trivial to "Big Oil". The market is so tiny, it doesn't matter much. The price is high mainly because it comes from small refineries in Nikiski and Fairbanks that pay high wages and don't have huge economies of scale like the big ones in the L48.

On the texting law, I agree with Nomad that it's an OK law, but our legislators have waaaaay more important things to do, that they are not getting done... like figuring a way to encourage "big oil" to invest enough new $'s on the slope to stop the rapid decline in production... if the pipeline shuts down(estimates are when we drop to around 400-450K bbls/day), it's never starting up again. You'll want to sell your house in Alaska, before that happens.
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Old 05-12-2012, 09:59 PM   #13
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I believe the law actually says "exempted vehicles- patrol, fire, response units blah blah..." so they won't be pulling each other over.
..which is retarded and just makes APD think they are "over" the law.
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Old 05-13-2012, 01:54 AM   #14
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There are many people that have trouble walking and breathing at the same time, I'd much rather they put the phone away and "try" to drive! I am on the road quite a bit and I don't find a reason very often to be messing with my phone. If I really need to send an email or take an important call that isn't just a quick hey I'll be then 10 mins, I pull over.
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Old 05-13-2012, 02:53 AM   #15
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P.S. Our legislators are owned by big oil so don't expect lower gas prices any time soon-or ever.
Google "ACES Oil tax" and tell me that they own the legislators
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Old 05-13-2012, 04:18 AM   #16
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Google AK legislators pass oil tax bill that benefits Alaskans or Alaskan natural gas pipeline. The PFD is a catch twenty-two and it always will be till lawmakers get their hands on it. Armies of big oil lawyers are billing oil companies obscene amounts of hours to ensure these companies maximize their profits at the expense of the end users. Sound like conspiracy theory lunacy? I thought so too till I did some research. Alaskans' throats will be under big oil's boot heel until the dead dinosaurs run dry. Any guesses what happens after that? I, for one am stunned when I see a new full size truck hauling around a single person. What right do the masses have to complain about high gas prices when, as a nation we feel entitled to excess? Ugh. Rant over.
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Old 05-13-2012, 10:28 AM   #17
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While "big oil" (i.e., BP, ConocoPhillips, Exxon...) have their "boot on our throat", they are also supplying approximately 80% of AK's general fund revenue, through direct royalty taxes on the oil they produce. That is, 80% of the money the state takes in, that it is able to use for services such as roads, universities, and everything else, has been coming from oil taxes since about 1978.

I grew up on a homestead here before the pipeline started up. The roads were bad, the university was small and pretty much only in Fairbanks (no community campuses in Soldotna, Wasilla, Sitka, Nome, Bethel, etc.), most people had seasonal jobs of one kind or another and made much less.

The dinosaurs are not running dry, they are just a bit more difficult to find and produce economically. "Big oil" has to invest capital to develop new fields or rejuevenate old ones. When it decides to spend money, it compares projects here with projects everywhere else in the world it operates. Like any corporation, if it feels it can get more return on investment elsewhere, thats where it spends... Our advantages in AK are that we are inside US borders, we have a trained workforce, and we have lots of infrastructure (like the pipeline) already in place. Our disadvantages are that it is very expensive to work on the slope due to transportation costs, horrible weather, and more restrictive regulations that most other places.

Oops, this turned into a long post...
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Old 05-13-2012, 01:07 PM   #18
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Gas is $3.47 down here in Alabama :-p
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Gas is $3.47 down here in Alabama :-p
And ours just went up 10 cents/gal in the last week. Must be shipping!!!
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And ours just went up 10 cents/gal in the last week. Must be shipping!!!
My thoughts exactly lol when i went to nebraska last month it wasn't too far off from what we pay in AK maybe 15-20 cents cheaper
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Old 05-13-2012, 02:59 PM   #21
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Eh, I don't worry about gas prices too much.
You gotta figure in how much we make now versus "back in the day"
I remember my mom complaining about 1.59 a gallon when I was around 6, but as a whole wages were down and cost of living was a little lower as well.

Like everyone will say at one point in their life. You gotta pay to play
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Like everyone will say at one point in their life. You gotta pay to play
exactly, +1.
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Old 05-13-2012, 03:21 PM   #23
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Holy **** Kyle how old are you?! When i was 19 in 2004 it cost me $13 to fill mu car at $1.30/gal
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Old 05-13-2012, 03:25 PM   #24
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Well, It could have been cheaper when I was six
But I do remember it in the low dollar range about that time.

In 2004 I was 14 =\
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When we bought our '02 Cavalier brandy new, it cost $18 to fill it up, now - $56. That's a 320% increase in fuel cost in 10 years.

Oil averaged $23/barrel in 2002. In 2011, it averaged $87/barrel. A 260% increase in 9 years.

So, all in all, were doing too awfully bad when you consider that. I'd say the refineries are bumping up their profits a bit.

As much as I hate paying that kind of money for oil, it does give nice returns on my retirement investments and PFDs.

As much as I hate the, what I call, scamming going on with speculation, without oil companies leading the charts in capitalism and all the other capitalists, we'd be a broke ass country and we'd have no retirement investments to look forward to.

If you like the fact that you don't pay state income tax and you enjoy getting your PFD annually, thank big oil. That's where that money comes from.

And be sure to thank the state for writing our constitution, the regs and laws and charters the way they did - some of them anyway.

It's funny that most people bitch about the profits of big oil but hardly no one complains about Apples profits that now exceed that of big oil. And believe it or not, Apple goes to great lengths too to avoid paying federal, state and local taxes in the US as well. In many cases, to greater lengths than oil.
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