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Old 01-27-2013, 06:58 PM   #2576
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So you are allowed to lose 1.1 QT of oil every 600 miles? You got me BENT! F...them. What kind of garbage are they trying to sell us. Time to get a Tesla.
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Old 01-27-2013, 07:44 PM   #2577
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So you are allowed to lose 1.1 QT of oil every 600 miles? You got me BENT! F...them. What kind of garbage are they trying to sell us. Time to get a Tesla.
Thats an industry standard.
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Old 01-27-2013, 09:18 PM   #2578
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Thats an industry standard.
Industry standard or not, that amount of consumption is absurd. Never in my life have I personally heard of an engine, new or old, that consumed anywhere near that much oil unless something was seriously wrong.

If there are people out there actually seeing that amount of consumption, I would say get rid of that POS ASAP and save yourself a headache!

If I knew then, before I bought my car, that it was going to consume anywhere from a half quart to 1 quart of oil every 1200 miles, I would have never of bought it. I'm sure most people would feel the same way.

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Old 01-27-2013, 09:59 PM   #2579
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I'll be the first to admit that before I bought this car, I was ignorant of the "industry standard" and Subaru's consumption allowances. The only reason for that is because this issue of oil consumption has never come up with any other vehicle that I've ever owned. Nor has it ever been an issue for anyone else that I've ever spoken to about the situation. Everyone seems to be in agreement just about any amount of oil consumption is unacceptable, especially for a newer engine
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Old 01-27-2013, 10:10 PM   #2580
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Industry standard or not, that amount of consumption is absurd. Never in my life have I personally heard of an engine, new or old, that consumed anywhere near that much oil unless something was seriously wrong.

If there are people out there actually seeing that amount of consumption, I would say get rid of that POS ASAP and save yourself a headache!

If I knew then, before I bought my car, that it was going to consume anywhere from a half quart to 1 quart of oil every 1200 miles, I would have never of bought it. I'm sure most people would feel the same way.
OK, that great but what i meant by industry standard is just that INDUSTRY, Chevy, Ford, Toyota, Nissan the list goes on. Saying thats absurd and you wouldnt buy the car knowing that makes no sense. You following me?

If you take your ASE im sure one of the questions is about the industry standard for oil consumption

No one is staying you shouldnt be mad but tearing subaru apart for having the same standard as all the other motor companies sounds stupid

Most engines that i have heard of consuming that amount of oil have been overheated. When you overheat the rings they lose tension. Which leads me to another pet peeve about this car not having a Temp gauge.

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Old 01-28-2013, 12:12 AM   #2581
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Ha! It seems like the Industry Standard for oil consumption is a way the manufacturers reduce the number of warranty rebuilts and engine replacements.
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Old 01-28-2013, 09:14 AM   #2582
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Ha! It seems like the Industry Standard for oil consumption is a way the manufacturers reduce the number of warranty rebuilts and engine replacements.
Im sure thats part of it but they have to draw the line somewhere.
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Old 01-28-2013, 11:12 PM   #2583
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Does anyone else think it's strange that when you do that math, in reality it is acceptable to get an oil change (5.3 qts/7500 miles). In that 7500 miles you in theory will consume (1 qt/1200 miles) meaning you will add an additional 6 qts plus or minus throughout your oil change. Essentially two oil changes during 1 cycle. As someone with a mechanical engineering background, how could they allow that out the door. Seems like a poor design decision and compromise. I'm driving around a car with 37k miles on it and a quart of oil in the trunk. WTF.

On a side note, going in to Subaru tomorrow after 1000 miles to check up on the oil consumption test. I was down over a quart in 1500 miles.

They think a leaky valve cover gasket I'd possibly to blame.

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Old 01-29-2013, 04:27 AM   #2584
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I just dont' understand how any company can allow you to consume the entire crankcase worth of oil in 7500 miles. I'm guessing that if you burn 1 full quart and NEVER top off your oil...like most people I know...you're boned. Now...If you do top off the oil every 1k and you have to top it off every 1k...by the time 7500 comes around you'd have put in 7 gallons of oil plus or minus right? You've essentially changed your own oil...just over time. The only thing left is the oil filter.

I'm sure Tesla doesn't use the industry Standard of burning oil, LOL.
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Old 01-29-2013, 06:20 AM   #2585
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They think a leaky valve cover gasket I'd possibly to blame.
I think if the cause was the valve cover gasket, you'd see oil leaking and dripping below your car. If it's burning oil, then you won't see an oil leak.
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Old 01-29-2013, 07:29 AM   #2586
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I think if the cause was the valve cover gasket, you'd see oil leaking and dripping below your car. If it's burning oil, then you won't see an oil leak.
They actually did find residue at the top near the injectors as I had noticed it, wiped area clean and will be inspected by the dealer today. Am I expected to be happy if a new or rebuilt engine is put in this car..? I'll have to see what my options are when they come to a conclusion.
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Old 01-29-2013, 11:09 AM   #2587
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I just dont' understand how any company can allow you to consume the entire crankcase worth of oil in 7500 miles. I'm guessing that if you burn 1 full quart and NEVER top off your oil...like most people I know...you're boned. Now...If you do top off the oil every 1k and you have to top it off every 1k...by the time 7500 comes around you'd have put in 7 gallons of oil plus or minus right? You've essentially changed your own oil...just over time. The only thing left is the oil filter.

I'm sure Tesla doesn't use the industry Standard of burning oil, LOL.
Are you assuming they have adjusted that consumption rate based on the extended mileage of oil in recent years? Im guessing that was the standard going back to 3k mile oil changes.
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Old 01-29-2013, 11:39 AM   #2588
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I just dont' understand how any company can allow you to consume the entire crankcase worth of oil in 7500 miles. I'm guessing that if you burn 1 full quart and NEVER top off your oil...like most people I know...you're boned. Now...If you do top off the oil every 1k and you have to top it off every 1k...by the time 7500 comes around you'd have put in 7 gallons of oil plus or minus right? You've essentially changed your own oil...just over time. The only thing left is the oil filter.

I'm sure Tesla doesn't use the industry Standard of burning oil, LOL.
Funny you mention tesla because they have had a ton of problems with those cars. So many the company almost went belly up having to lay off almost 60% of their people.
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Old 01-29-2013, 12:35 PM   #2589
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They actually did find residue at the top near the injectors as I had noticed it, wiped area clean and will be inspected by the dealer today. Am I expected to be happy if a new or rebuilt engine is put in this car..? I'll have to see what my options are when they come to a conclusion.
Mine has residue on the injectors too.
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Old 01-29-2013, 12:37 PM   #2590
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I just dont' understand how any company can allow you to consume the entire crankcase worth of oil in 7500 miles. I'm guessing that if you burn 1 full quart and NEVER top off your oil...like most people I know...you're boned. Now...If you do top off the oil every 1k and you have to top it off every 1k...by the time 7500 comes around you'd have put in 7 gallons of oil plus or minus right? You've essentially changed your own oil...just over time. The only thing left is the oil filter.

I'm sure Tesla doesn't use the industry Standard of burning oil, LOL.
If I own this pos when the warranty is up it'll just get topped off and a new filter every year. Maybe drain it once in a while...
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Old 01-29-2013, 12:40 PM   #2591
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At 1800 miles on the edge, I'm "only" down about 3/4 of a quart. sad to be in limbo.
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Old 01-30-2013, 03:20 AM   #2592
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Well, Tesla is trying to break ground...not overcharge us for engines that should have been perfected by now.

I'm no Tesla fanboy but I understand their drive for success. It simple puts all auto parts stores out of business because they have no parts like most cars. The whole dynamics would change. I've seen a Tesla Roadster in person and it's sick fast....makes a Vette look slow. I watched a docu on how they almost didn't make their IPO. They got funding literally at the last minute. They had tons of problems filling orders that were already placed...this and that. I believe simply because they wanted it so bad.....not realizing how hard it is to run an automotive coproration. They don't have big oil backing them.
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Old 01-30-2013, 09:14 AM   #2593
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^^^ yeah he/she is. thats why I put it on ignore.
This person didnt even know where the exhaust pipe exits the car they supposedly own and drive.
Whoa!
What happened to your post calling a certain someone an idiot?
Missing posts???

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Old 01-30-2013, 09:15 AM   #2594
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So you are allowed to lose 1.1 QT of oil every 600 miles? You got me BENT! F...them. What kind of garbage are they trying to sell us. Time to get a Tesla.
Amen to that.
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Old 01-30-2013, 10:16 AM   #2595
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^^^ yeah he/she is. thats why I put it on ignore.
This person didnt even know where the exhaust pipe exits the car they supposedly own and drive.
Whoa!
What happened to your post calling a certain someone an idiot?
Missing posts???
Stop attacking me. I feel i bring a more level headed view point and its appreciated. Maybe if you tried to prove your oil issue we could maybe sympathize a little more. I have not see any compression or leak down test. If you are as capable as you claim then that shouldnt be an issue.

If you would like tips on how to perform a proper compression or leak down please feel free to message me .
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A mouse must have just farted....
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Old 01-30-2013, 11:35 AM   #2597
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Uh-oh!!!!

Zeeper- looks like your HOLY CONSUMER REPORTS have had their oil light come on!!!!
Do we "officially" have sufficient evidence that theres a BIG problem???
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Old 01-30-2013, 11:41 AM   #2599
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Uh-oh!!!!

Zeeper- looks like your HOLY CONSUMER REPORTS have had their oil light come on!!!!
Do we "officially" have sufficient evidence that theres a BIG problem???
The report was about non-availability and cost of oil. Not about consumption.

Looks like your no better at reading then you are at checking your oil
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God I love the "ignore" feature of this forum...
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