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Old 02-05-2013, 05:28 PM   #2776
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Yeah, but just like me monitoring and noting my oil consumption, it has to be dealer-verified. So no sense in doing something that has to be done by subaru.
I am going to have a consumption test started at my next service visit.
The results of this will determine if soa will do a leak-down test.
Gotcha, I just was wondering if you wanted to do it out of curiosity before waiting for the dealer to do it. I would be antsy myself.

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I just today read this entire thread from the beginning.
Wow.
Thanks to all who have remained objective and on subject. And many thanks to the few of you who have followed along who have been sympathetic to my plight.
I am sympathetic in your cause man. I do hope things work out for you. But in the off chance they don't, you shouldn't own the car if you don't have to. If I hated my Impreza, I would be ditching it right away!
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Old 02-05-2013, 05:38 PM   #2777
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not that being skeptical isnt warranted but..... if you are expecting the dealer who has a hard time filling the engine with the proper amount of oil to provide you an accurate test you might be disappointed.

I would do it for myself and have at least compression numbers written down for each cylinder to compare with their numbers.
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Old 02-05-2013, 09:02 PM   #2778
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Thanks ST, if I DO switch cars, I'll probably go with a Mini. S of course.
I do love microcars and almost bought a mini when I ordered my Impreza. Even zeeper endorsed the Mini.
But I DO ACTUALLY want to get this car all worked out.
The Volvos and Benzes are tempting. But the Mini would be realistic as a replacement for this car.
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Old 02-06-2013, 02:03 AM   #2779
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I've heard Min's aren't that reliable in the long run. I drove a few when they first came out and they were fun to drive, but you don't tend to see some of the first gens out there much. I've also heard many, many bad things about the engine. I have not looked into it because I don't own one nor do I plan too even though the John Cooper Works one is awesome looking but....it's too much $$$ for the car you are getting in my opinion. Might as well stick with the S version. I think they have alot of balls to charge 35k for ANY cooper to be honest. That's an STI man.
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Old 02-06-2013, 07:57 AM   #2780
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Ive been seeing 2010+ cooper S models for 18-22k.


Alpha- After reading through this entire thread I realized how kind and helpful you have been. Thanks.
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Old 02-06-2013, 09:02 AM   #2781
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Ive been seeing 2010+ cooper S models for 18-22k.


Alpha- After reading through this entire thread I realized how kind and helpful you have been. Thanks.
Used Cooper S for $22K is the wrong answer. Brand new Focus ST for $22K is the correct answer and it's not even debatable. Yes, I've seen them for $22K, and if I lived in Florida, I'd be all over it.
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Old 02-06-2013, 09:26 AM   #2782
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I would NOT buy a mini cooper unless:
1 you like mushrooming struts
2: you like your car engine catching on fire
3 you likve a 8500 cvt tranny job
4 you like a car tht burns coolant
5 you like to buy special euro oil for your oil changes and watch it burn oil
6 you like paying $10 for a bolt/screw
7 you like malfunctioning o2 sensors
8 you like a car to fail at or before 50k
9 you like cheap cpu fan that gets clogged on power steering that also causes engine fire
10 you like buying new tires every 15k


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take it from a former mini owner, you have no idea what you are getting into

The same applies to most german cars so good luck with the merc, the only thing that catches fire more than a merc is your next door neighbors merc

mini's are bmws watch out
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Old 02-06-2013, 10:00 AM   #2783
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The same applies to most german cars...
You guys know that I'm in agreement about this statement.

Too bad. My crappy VW TDI experience will prevent my next car from being an Audi. Pity. I've been an admirer of Audis for years.

Q: What's not to love about this car?



A: Reliability. And the parent company.
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Old 02-06-2013, 11:44 AM   #2784
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Focus ST just doesnt appeal to me in the least. maybe a fiesta ST...
But the Mini's made in the last few years are supposed to be pretty good.
But so was my Impreza...
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Old 02-06-2013, 11:47 AM   #2785
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I think a couple Impreza owners have went the Mini route. At least one in this thread.
Whoever bought the mini- I doubt you follow nasioc anymore,but if you do- How bout an update???
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Old 02-06-2013, 12:26 PM   #2786
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People are just trying to be helpful in giving you a heads up so you don't end up with bigger headaches. If you don't want to listen or don't believe them, go ahead and buy it. Not trying to be snide, just sayin'.
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Old 02-06-2013, 03:28 PM   #2787
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I understand that.
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Old 02-06-2013, 07:15 PM   #2788
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What about a Scion Tc, that looks like a fun car.
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Old 02-06-2013, 07:27 PM   #2789
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Not sure what's wrong with the Focus ST as it's comparable in size, price, and gas mileage to the regular Impreza hatchback, only with FWD and 100 more horsepower. If I lived in a warm climate, the Impreza probably wouldn't have been on my radar, and I'd be driving the Focus ST. 18 inch wheels with summer tires, a stiffer suspension, and Minnesota roads don't mix though, and I live in a condo and don't want to mess with storing an extra set of wheels/tires.

But I guess if you like the mini Cooper, the Fiesta ST is more comparable, and I'd bet money more reliable. Bonus, large dealer network and a warranty.

Man it'd be nice to live in a warm climate and be able to drive a car with low profile summer tires. I just barely avoided a monster pothole on the freeway yesterday, and saw 6 cars pulled over on the side of the road with flats and likely damaged suspension after they probably hit it.
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Old 02-06-2013, 07:30 PM   #2790
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Is the Focus ST like the RS that they used to offer in other countries?
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Old 02-06-2013, 07:52 PM   #2791
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Is the Focus ST like the RS that they used to offer in other countries?
Not quite as serious as the RS was, but it's still pretty damn sweet. The RS had a 300 hp Volvo 5 cyl.

The Focus ST is going to be the same car worldwide.
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Old 02-06-2013, 08:15 PM   #2792
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I noticed the mention of Volvo in one of the earlier posts as well as Mercedes. If you want an oil burner then a Volvo is exactly the car you want. They have terrible problems with valve guides. Those engines absolutely swill oil. And then price doing a service on them when needed. Oh, did I mention that whenever anything that uses electricity is replaced on the car you have to perform a download that can only be done through the dealer or a specialist that has the Vadis/Vida system. Each download will run in the neighborhood of a hundred bucks + labor. I had customers that would be driving down the road and have half of he car just shut down. It would take several downloads to get the body module or one of six computers that run the car to reboot. Pain in the butt cars. (This would include any Volvo from 99 and up). As far as the older ones go they aren't too bad but now most of them will be way over 100k miles so they are old and worn out.
I won't even get into Mercedes. That brand was named in the same response. Of course a nice 300 TD ain't too bad if you don't mind a 20 year old diesel.

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Old 02-06-2013, 08:32 PM   #2793
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The Focus isn't ready for prime time yet. I traded my SEL for the Impreza because the Focus had so many issues. It might be a contender in a couple of years.

If it is on your list of possibilities, rent one for a week to get a real feel for the car.
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The Focus isn't ready for prime time yet.
In a nutshell, that's my opinion of the current MK6 VW TDI. Rumor has it that the MK7 TDIs (shipping to the USA in 2014) might be improved in the areas that make the MK6 a complete crap shoot (with the emphasis on "crap"). But even if that's true, I won't buy one.
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Old 02-06-2013, 08:54 PM   #2795
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When looking at cars in my price range, the R32's keep tempting me... I havent found any glaring reliability reports with them. The biggest downfall I can figure, is the mpg. Bit vr6 power, man that would be nice in a two door hatch with awd.
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Old 02-06-2013, 08:58 PM   #2796
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Not sure what's wrong with the Focus ST as it's comparable in size, price, and gas mileage to the regular Impreza hatchback, only with FWD and 100 more horsepower. If I lived in a warm climate, the Impreza probably wouldn't have been on my radar, and I'd be driving the Focus ST. 18 inch wheels with summer tires, a stiffer suspension, and Minnesota roads don't mix though, and I live in a condo and don't want to mess with storing an extra set of wheels/tires.

But I guess if you like the mini Cooper, the Fiesta ST is more comparable, and I'd bet money more reliable. Bonus, large dealer network and a warranty.

Man it'd be nice to live in a warm climate and be able to drive a car with low profile summer tires. I just barely avoided a monster pothole on the freeway yesterday, and saw 6 cars pulled over on the side of the road with flats and likely damaged suspension after they probably hit it.
I dont run super low profile tires, as there are lots of rural and dirt/clay/unpaved roads I drive on around here. I'd never really want 18's... I guess if they came on the csr, but I'm actually pretty content with my 16's and stock yokos on my Impreza.
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Old 02-06-2013, 09:04 PM   #2797
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I noticed the mention of Volvo in one of the earlier posts as well as Mercedes. If you want an oil burner then a Volvo is exactly the car you want. They have terrible problems with valve guides. Those engines absolutely swill oil. And then price doing a service on them when needed. Oh, did I mention that whenever anything that uses electricity is replaced on the car you have to perform a download that can only be done through the dealer or a specialist that has the Vadis/Vida system. Each download will run in the neighborhood of a hundred bucks + labor. I had customers that would be driving down the road and have half of he car just shut down. It would take several downloads to get the body module or one of six computers that run the car to reboot. Pain in the butt cars. (This would include any Volvo from 99 and up). As far as the older ones go they aren't too bad but now most of them will be way over 100k miles so they are old and worn out.
I won't even get into Mercedes. That brand was named in the same response. Of course a nice 300 TD ain't too bad if you don't mind a 20 year old diesel.

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The Geely ownership of Volvo is the main reason I'm more than a little leery of the brand.
If they built 240's still, or anyrhing at all close, I'd take one in a hearbeat. Wagon, even.

I still want a Mercedes, and will probably wait till I'm in the right demographic for that car (40+).
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The Focus isn't ready for prime time yet. I traded my SEL for the Impreza because the Focus had so many issues. It might be a contender in a couple of years.

If it is on your list of possibilities, rent one for a week to get a real feel for the car.
I just DON'T like the focus. And a tech friend of mine said they are having various issues,not sure what or what years even, just word of mouth. I do think Ford makes better compacts and smaller sized cars than other american car makers.
I did have a 2001 (or 2002, it escapes me at the moment), and other than not liking the auto trans, it was an awesome car, and ford really surprised me at how well they stood behind the car. I bought it used a couple years old with 44k or so on the odo.
But the newer foci dont seem like the same cars. I have a good friend with an 11' focus and its ok, but I wouldnt want one. Rather have a Focus than a Honda though. The Fit is the only one I like and its underpowered for the mpg's imo, and overpriced.
I wish Honda made a new CRX as close to the okd formula as possible. Or Acura would build an Integra.
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Old 02-06-2013, 09:26 PM   #2799
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The Focus isn't ready for prime time yet. I traded my SEL for the Impreza because the Focus had so many issues. It might be a contender in a couple of years.
I am going to guess that you had a DCT and MFT? If so I can understand the statement, however outside of those two items I would say the 2012-13 Focus is a solid car.

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I just DON'T like the focus. And a tech friend of mine said they are having various issues,not sure what or what years even, just word of mouth. I do think Ford makes better compacts and smaller sized cars than other american car makers.
I did have a 2001 (or 2002, it escapes me at the moment), and other than not liking the auto trans, it was an awesome car, and ford really surprised me at how well they stood behind the car. I bought it used a couple years old with 44k or so on the odo.
But the newer foci dont seem like the same cars. I have a good friend with an 11' focus and its ok, but I wouldnt want one. Rather have a Focus than a Honda though.
The 2012-13 is a whole new car. As I indicated the big issues with them are the DCT and MFT. The DCT people just don't understand ... and some do have actual problems. As for the MFT touch screen system, some have had touble, others have not.

I got mine with a 5-spd and just the standard Sync and it has been a great car. In fact getting a SE Sport was what Car and Driver recommended.

We almost got a second one for my wife but she felt for comfortable in the Impreza, so that is what we got her.
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Ive been seeing 2010+ cooper S models for 18-22k.


Alpha- After reading through this entire thread I realized how kind and helpful you have been. Thanks.
Your welcome dude. The reason for being so "kind" to you specifically is because I've been through the exact situation years back. I loved my GSX Exclipse...$3900 used.....it even had warped wheels but it was fast and had some clutch chatter. What I couldn't stand was when the computer was failing and no one bothered to look at it and were charging me money and not doing anything about it.

That lead to this post.

I sold the car for $3600 years later, lol.

Then my Stealth ($5000 used) had the same issue but did me 1 worse. Right before I sold it I bought 4 new tires for it....literally months later, 4 new tires...tranny breaks. I was really thinking about selling it just a few months earlier...would have EASILY got $3000 at the time, it ran perfect. I dumped it for $500. Fudge Me. Then that guy ended up selling it for $800 1 week later
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