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Old 04-20-2013, 11:44 AM   #3451
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chaulk it up to luck of the draw I guess, kinda disappointed in fumoto for not even sending me a replacement washer, they were like 1 dollar for the washer 2 bucks for shipping. I didn't even respond I rather just get the new one and be done with it.
Blame Murphy. And his goddamned law!

Ive done several oil changes, and the fumoto has been tempting. But that law of Murphy's and my Charlie Brown luck have kept me from doing it.
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Old 04-20-2013, 11:49 AM   #3452
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I really haven't heard anything bad about the valve, but no doubt Subaru, or any other manufacturer for that matter, is going to look for something to [possibly] blame that is aftermarket. Oh well, at least they are getting customers coming back in in amounts that they cannot deny. It sounds like they cannot claim it to be an isolated incident!

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Old 04-20-2013, 11:49 AM   #3453
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Thanks to all who have, for the moment, brought the thread back to civilized conversation.
Its 90+ in the noon sun here lately, so I'm watching the level to see how that affects consumption. After work, the blue light doesnt even come on, since its hot as hell the last werk. I still let it warm up for a bit before I drive it.
Consumption test in the next couple weeks as soon as I can get the time.
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Old 04-20-2013, 02:20 PM   #3454
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I bought the fumoto valve thinking that it would be a convenience to my mechanic. He actually steered me away from having it installed - and I can be quite stubborn. His reasoning was:
1. potential for source of leakage
2. valve actually further restricts the small opening of the drain hole, potentially causing metal debris to continue to be trapped
3. threading might protrude inside, resulting in a not-so-clean drain

#2 was what convinced me to forgo the installation.

Incidentally, I now have a spare F-108N... and I'm willing to sell it for what I paid for it...
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Old 04-20-2013, 03:20 PM   #3455
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If I were to get the Fumoto valve only if I do my own oil changes. I wouldn't trust anyone to try to figure out and subsequently screwing something up.
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Old 04-20-2013, 03:47 PM   #3456
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I bought the fumoto valve thinking that it would be a convenience to my mechanic. He actually steered me away from having it installed - and I can be quite stubborn. His reasoning was:
1. potential for source of leakage
2. valve actually further restricts the small opening of the drain hole, potentially causing metal debris to continue to be trapped
3. threading might protrude inside, resulting in a not-so-clean drain

#2 was what convinced me to forgo the installation.

Incidentally, I now have a spare F-108N... and I'm willing to sell it for what I paid for it...
um, how large of metal particles do you expect to get out? if they are large enough to not fit through the opening in the fumoto, there is something wrong with your engine!

AFAIK they are common in the trucking industry, and I love the one I installed on my car
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Old 04-20-2013, 04:23 PM   #3457
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Incidentally, I now have a spare F-108N... and I'm willing to sell it for what I paid for it...
Haha good luck with that man! If I were to pay full price for one it certainly wouldn't be from some random guy, I'd just buy it from the company!
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Old 04-20-2013, 04:52 PM   #3458
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I bought the fumoto valve thinking that it would be a convenience to my mechanic. He actually steered me away from having it installed - and I can be quite stubborn. His reasoning was:
1. potential for source of leakage
2. valve actually further restricts the small opening of the drain hole, potentially causing metal debris to continue to be trapped
3. threading might protrude inside, resulting in a not-so-clean drain

#2 was what convinced me to forgo the installation.

Incidentally, I now have a spare F-108N... and I'm willing to sell it for what I paid for it...
1. have had Fumoto valves installed on my last 3 vehicles and have never had an issue with leakage.
2. The part of the valve that threads into the drain hole doesn't protrude in enough to cause poor drainage. I always flush my engine with a little clean oil after a drain anyway.
3. The opening is plenty large enough to drain any metal debris that are in you engine unless you have a serious problem.

These are just my thoughts. I don't hold anything against you for airing on the side of caution though. I happen to find the Fumoto valves to be very convenient.

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Old 04-21-2013, 03:12 AM   #3459
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Haha good luck with that man! If I were to pay full price for one it certainly wouldn't be from some random guy, I'd just buy it from the company!
And that's why I'm ing...
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Old 04-21-2013, 03:23 AM   #3460
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If I were to get the Fumoto valve only if I do my own oil changes. I wouldn't trust anyone to try to figure out and subsequently screwing something up.
I had thoughts of doing my own oil changes as well. However, in retrospect, I'm not mechanically inclined, and given the plethora of other things involved with regular maintenance that would be best noticed by the keen eyes of a seasoned mechanic, I decided to shelve that thought for a car where I wouldn't feel so crappy about screwing up the maintenance (such as an old P.O.S. beater ).

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um, how large of metal particles do you expect to get out? if they are large enough to not fit through the opening in the fumoto, there is something wrong with your engine!
Not really expecting to see any, actually. However, I'm willing to put faith in the professional judgement of my mechanic well over and above what little I know about engines.

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1. have had Fumoto valves installed on my last 3 vehicles and have never had an issue with leakage.
2. The part of the valve that threads into the drain hole doesn't protrude in enough to cause poor drainage. I always flush my engine with a little clean oil after a drain anyway.
3. The opening is plenty large enough to drain any metal debris that are in you engine unless you have a serious problem.

These are just my thoughts. I don't hold anything against you for airing on the side of caution though. I happen to find the Fumoto valves to be very convenient.
I'm sure it is convenient, and as I mentioned, I had thoughts of doing my own oil changes at some point - however, given that it is a new car, and my comment on the first quote in this post (ie. that it would have to be an old POS beater for me to not feel bad about me screwing up maintenance), it's going to take a lot of years before I go about doing my own oil changes on this car.

With that in mind, that F-108N might still go onto the car at some point... just not for the next decade or so.
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Old 04-21-2013, 07:49 AM   #3461
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You don't need to be mechanically inclined to do an oil change on this car. My wife could probably even figure or out!
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Old 04-21-2013, 09:47 AM   #3462
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You don't need to be mechanically inclined to do an oil change on this car. My wife could probably even figure or out!
And with the fumoto you don't even need tools
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Old 04-21-2013, 09:59 AM   #3463
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Amazing how many dealer horror stories we have had considering how easy it is to change the oil and filters. I've always done my own oil, and this car makes it so easy!
If you're going to a dealer or someone else make sure you check the dipstick before you leave. Gross overfills can be very bad. I've had seven quarts in mine before! Maybe even more.
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Old 04-21-2013, 11:27 AM   #3464
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I always do my own oil changes, however my dealer gives free oil changes. I always check my oil prior to leaving. The dealer usually puts in 6 quarts with puts you over the high point, this is not harmful for the car. It can be good for oil consumers since it gives you a small amount of insurance.
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Old 04-23-2013, 12:12 PM   #3465
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Just got my 15 K service done. (2012 impreza, premium, 5spd)

I didn't know my car burned oil until my low oil light came on after I had the car a couple months. Then I started following this thread.

I couldn't effing believe it. I put LUBEGARD (blue bottle) in to see what would happen. Low and behold i believe it Dramatically cut the consumption rate. I have 1996 impreza (230 k miles) and a '94 ford aerostar van (130 k) that get it regularly.

So after my service I check the level. It is exactly one half inch above the second hole on the dip stick. I asked about it at the service department. EVERYBODY shot EVERYBODY a knowing glance.

The tecj came out and said that Subaru gives them a fixed quantity container to refill with. "I gave you a little extra , so don't worry."
I worry about the over fill. But I guess a half inch over is OK>

Does anybody think the clutch "catches" in a very weird way with the manuals? Seems like the pedal is way off the floor before it engages?

The handling on this car is really outstanding. I think the view to the rear is terrible for a little car. I think it's a common affliction to all cars today- for aerodynamics.
I enjoy everybody's comments.
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Old 04-23-2013, 12:23 PM   #3466
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Rear view could be much better. I too like the ride and handling.
Welcome to the oil burners club.

The clutch and gearbox take a lot of getting used to, especially coming from Hondas.
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Old 04-23-2013, 01:47 PM   #3467
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I say stop putting lubeguard and have dealership start a consumption test, once you meet the threshold you will get a new shortblock so far if I remember correctly gregorz oil consumption stabilized after a few k on the shortblock.

The clutch has a high catch point, my car is high her car is a bit lower but in general high compared to other manuals I have driven.

rear view is pretty good actually adjust mirrors and you can eliminate blind spots better.
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Old 04-23-2013, 02:53 PM   #3468
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Just got my 15 K service done. (2012 impreza, premium, 5spd)

I didn't know my car burned oil until my low oil light came on after I had the car a couple months. Then I started following this thread.

I couldn't effing believe it. I put LUBEGARD (blue bottle) in to see what would happen. Low and behold i believe it Dramatically cut the consumption rate. I have 1996 impreza (230 k miles) and a '94 ford aerostar van (130 k) that get it regularly.

So after my service I check the level. It is exactly one half inch above the second hole on the dip stick. I asked about it at the service department. EVERYBODY shot EVERYBODY a knowing glance.

The tecj came out and said that Subaru gives them a fixed quantity container to refill with. "I gave you a little extra , so don't worry."
I worry about the over fill. But I guess a half inch over is OK>

Does anybody think the clutch "catches" in a very weird way with the manuals? Seems like the pedal is way off the floor before it engages?

The handling on this car is really outstanding. I think the view to the rear is terrible for a little car. I think it's a common affliction to all cars today- for aerodynamics.
I enjoy everybody's comments.

"one half inch"..... 1.5 inch, 1/2 inch? It cant get a little confusing at times when people describe a half an inch.
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Old 04-23-2013, 03:25 PM   #3469
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I think the view to the rear is terrible for a little car. I think it's a common affliction to all cars today- for aerodynamics.
I disagree. The rear visibility from this car is VASTLY better than it was on a certain other German car I owned which shall remain nameless.
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Old 04-23-2013, 03:55 PM   #3470
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I disagree. The rear visibility from this car is VASTLY better than it was on a certain other German car I owned which shall remain nameless.
i think it's all relative. compared to the other cars i test drove in this segment, the visibility was similar or better. but i think in general, the trend is towards less and less visibility. i can only guess this due to safety (even with large glass windows there appears to be a large black border which i'm guessing is something that makes the glass stronger; the headrests too don't help, either), aerodynamics and trunk space (in the case of a sedan)

look at cars from the 80's and 90's and you will see that most of those cars had much larger rear windows.

i'm glad i at least got a backup camera installed. it makes parallel parking much easier!
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I will add it when i burn down enough to need to add.
I will check but I am not anywhere near the threshold that would be recognized as a problem i.e. burn rate of more than a quart per 1,000 miles (as reported here).
I wasn't really paying attention the first couple months I had the car until the low level light came on, indicating a little more than a quart down. I believe I had almost reached the oil change interval when the light came on. So maybe a quart and a half - max - burned over 6,000 miles.

I forgot to mention that the tech who came out to check the level said that the 0-20 oil was "*****".
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"one half inch" means 0.5 inches, or 1.27 cm.

RE: Visibility

The side view mirrors give terrific visibility. I regret that my "over the shoulder" view is near zilch. I love to death my '96 impreza 215 k miles. some rust, runs great. If I stretch my neck, I can see all around the car easily. The 2012 impreza may be better than other new models; I don't know.
The 2012 Forester felt like a submarine. I'm 6'2" and I felt encased. It's for safety and all cars have it - even the 2012 impreza has the door up towards the driver's shoulder.
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Old 04-25-2013, 09:56 AM   #3472
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I recently drove a 1992 volvo 240. Man that car had great visibility from every angle.
I agree that the Impreza mirrors give a good view- but turning around to look when I'm backing up is a lot more work than it should be. And turning my body in the seat makes the springs creak.
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Perhaps the hatch has worse visibility?
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Perhaps the hatch has worse visibility?
Agreed i have the sedan and its just fine for looking around.
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here's one of my prior cars which had amazing visibility. (again, i can only guess -- and would love to hear from designers in the know) of whether the smaller and smaller rear windows on today's cars are for aerodynamics, cargo capacity (in the case of sedans), or safety (larger borders around glass panes and also bigger C pillars)

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