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Old 05-17-2013, 06:52 PM   #3601
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Nope. I dont NEED AWD, but I now am hooked. I like the overall layout of my Impreza, I just would have preferred, and bought, a shorter 3 dr version had it been available.
My focus was a zx3, the zx5 didnt appeal to me because I just literally never need rear doors. But the whole time I had that Focus, I was happy and liked the size and dimebsions, but always longed for awd.
I don't know. I've heard that the BRZ is one of the best driving cars in the world. If I didn't need AWD and didn't need comfortable rear seats, I'd be all over a BRZ.
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Old 05-17-2013, 07:12 PM   #3602
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I've heard some of the BRZs have had oil consumption issues as well. But the BRZ was what actually had me in the dealership; the fact that they didn't have any available to sell was what allowed me to test drive the 2012 Impreza. I'm still thinking of getting a BRZ, but I'll keep driving my Impreza for now.
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Old 05-17-2013, 07:35 PM   #3603
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I just dont find the brz appealing.
AWD is great in wet weather, which we sometimes have here in the sunshine state.
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Old 05-17-2013, 09:11 PM   #3604
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as in the hills or traffic or parallel parking?

i've done it for years (although i don't live in the city of SF, i have driven there many times). yet, last week, when i got caught in a traffic jam where i traveled under 4miles in 45 minutes, i got to realize one benefit of going from a MT to the CVT.
The hills! I have been to SF a couple times and I was amazed how steep those hills are. I've been driving stick since I got my license many moons ago, and I am obviously proficient at it, however I still think I would have a hard time starting on a hill that is 45 degrees!

I always thought it would be a good business to own a clutch shop in SF.
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Old 05-17-2013, 09:16 PM   #3605
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^^ I'm sure the hill hold feature would help, but you still need to slip the clutch to keep from stalling....
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Old 05-18-2013, 02:19 PM   #3606
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Im just happy that I have the consumption test started!
I wanted to wait till the temps were high before I started. Lately, its been hitting the 90's.
Yes! Congrats! I hope it all works in your favour! Remember, a little extra hard driving goes a long way towards a solved oil consumption problem
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Old 05-19-2013, 11:22 AM   #3607
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I just dont find the brz appealing.
AWD is great in wet weather, which we sometimes have here in the sunshine state.
Going fishing this weekend with a buddy and the Impreza's going to come in handy going down dirt logging roads with the seats folded down, full of fishing gear and a black lab in a dog kennel. If I was in the sunshine state and didn't have a wife, dog, kid, and fishing trips, I'd be all over the BRZ.

I'm sure the BRZ is even more fun in wet weather.
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Old 05-19-2013, 05:24 PM   #3608
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I personally just like the way awd works. There are plenty of rwd coupes out there. Lile I said, a 3dr hb version of what I have, but with 8" or so shorter wheelbase. Still plenty of room for anything I'd need a daily driven car to haul. Besides, I have a GMC and a 6' x 12' trailer for hauling around anything that doesnt fit well into a car.
I *could* even live with a sedan, but greatly prefer the utility and function of a hatch much better.
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Old 05-21-2013, 09:16 AM   #3609
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Weird. Since my oil change my mpg has gone down by 2-3. Same driving.
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Old 05-21-2013, 09:22 AM   #3610
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Weird. Since my oil change my mpg has gone down by 2-3. Same driving.
Hmmm. Do you know what oil (brand and weight) they used?
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Old 05-21-2013, 09:27 AM   #3611
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It is a consumption test so I would assume 0w20.
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Old 05-21-2013, 09:33 AM   #3612
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It is a consumption test so I would assume 0w20.
You know what they say about assuming things....
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Old 05-21-2013, 09:39 AM   #3613
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This weekend I have a road trip to the Florida Folk Festival, so I will get a chance to put more miles on it out on I75.
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Old 05-21-2013, 09:08 PM   #3614
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On a side note- I drove a 2010 VW GTI recently. I love the gearing, and the seats are pretty awesome. But for a 2.0 Turbo, its not very quick. From 0-60 its not very impressive. Handling was nice, but I hate the 18" wheels that were on it. Car felt heavy to me.
Not a bad car, but I think an engine from a wrecked one from a salvage yard and a 90's Cabrio would make a fun project car.
Why does every car get bigger and heavier every year, to the point that "compacts" are as big as what used to be fullsize or midsize cars? Pull up next to an older Legacy...
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Old 05-21-2013, 09:12 PM   #3615
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Oh- also got a new decal made for the rear window.
"real men play the mandolin"
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Old 05-21-2013, 09:25 PM   #3616
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On a side note- I drove a 2010 VW GTI recently. I love the gearing, and the seats are pretty awesome. But for a 2.0 Turbo, its not very quick. From 0-60 its not very impressive. Handling was nice, but I hate the 18" wheels that were on it. Car felt heavy to me.
Not a bad car, but I think an engine from a wrecked one from a salvage yard and a 90's Cabrio would make a fun project car.
Why does every car get bigger and heavier every year, to the point that "compacts" are as big as what used to be fullsize or midsize cars? Pull up next to an older Legacy...
Not sure what you drove, but I can tell you first hand that I am utterly surprised to hear this.

Don't know what you are comparing to, but seats, either leather or plaid are awesome, performance - bang for the buck with refinement, you can't beat it.. Car has a solid feel, not heavy what you called it, and the 2.0 turbo is a actually awesome. 207ft lb, you dont even need the turbo to tool around in high gear. One of the best cars on the market IMO. Now if you were talking about prior gen GTI's I could understand but the latest GTI is the best GTI ever, hands down. Again IMO but I have had many.

Only had one Subaru, my current and will be my last. IMO, the only thing good about my Subaru is the AWD, Actually love driving my car in bad weather instead of dry. Outside of that a GTI wins hands down. I beg anybody to argue that.
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Outside of that a GTI wins hands down. I beg anybody to argue that.
I'll argue that. I'd love to get a GTI, I like everything about the car except for the scary reliability and maintenance reputation. Seriously, I've always wanted a GTI, so it bugs the **** out of me that VW still hasn't gotten it's act together according to every source that measures reliability/likelyhood of problems.
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I'll argue that. I'd love to get a GTI, I like everything about the car except for the scary reliability and maintenance reputation. Seriously, I've always wanted a GTI, so it bugs the **** out of me that VW still hasn't gotten it's act together according to every source that measures reliability/likelyhood of problems.
Thank you for beating me to that response. Couldn't agree more.
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Old 05-21-2013, 10:06 PM   #3619
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I'll argue that. I'd love to get a GTI, I like everything about the car except for the scary reliability and maintenance reputation. Seriously, I've always wanted a GTI, so it bugs the **** out of me that VW still hasn't gotten it's act together according to every source that measures reliability/likelyhood of problems.
I totally understand, but all cars have issues.. Just check this site. I can only share my experiences, and VW GTI's are great driving, fun, reliable cars IMO.

I have had several and would definately recommend and most likely will be purchasing another. I have had only one problem with VW since owning all, my new 2008 GTI - had a problem with a throw out bearing, clutch stuck to the floor a few times, turns out this affected the block resulting in an engine replacement under warranty. Very rare, and when I told VWOA that I did not want the car due to resale value depretiation, they gave me a 2010 equivilant option wise with an out of pocket cost to me of $1,000. So basically I got to drive my 2008 GTI for almost 2+ years and it cost me $1,000 for a brand new 2010 GTI. To me that is standing behind your product and not all this short block consumption crap I have been reading about.

Maint? VW covers the warranty period with free maintenance, I would personaly change my oil sooner, but that is personal pref.. The warranty is the same as Subaru I think. So, my point is don't dismiss the GTI. My 2010 was awesome.. totally miss it. Should have never sold it for the Imprezza IMO. My situation led me to do this totally foolish act and I pay for it every day. My imprezza is not a bad car at all, but let's just say it is in no way a GTI. Get it!
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Thank you for beating me to that response. Couldn't agree more.
SG, Not sure how many VW's you have owned, I have had several. I totally understand your feelings and what you went through. But IMO a GTI and TDI are 2 different animals. Again.. JMO.
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Hey I love VW's, but that GTI I drove felt pretty bland.
To me- a REAL GTI would be an 84.
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Old 05-22-2013, 07:22 AM   #3622
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Its funny- I owned mostly VW's my entire life of driving. But I completely stepped away around 2002. Haven't even driven one or set foot on a VW lot.
I had gotten tired of rattles and broken power windows. My ex-wife had a GTI 1.8t and it was a fun car, but the tranny grenaded with less than 4k on it.
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Old 05-22-2013, 08:21 AM   #3623
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SG, Not sure how many VW's you have owned, I have had several. I totally understand your feelings and what you went through. But IMO a GTI and TDI are 2 different animals. Again.. JMO.
The TDI was my first and last VW. And the TDI and GTI are not as different animals as you claim. Yes, of course, the engines are very different. But almost everything else is nearly the same. Almost everything you loved about your GTI are the same things I loved about my TDI. This is why, when you were new here and were complaining about your Impreza's MPGs, my claim was that the MPGs weren't what you were really complaining about. The things you miss about your GTI are the same things I miss about my TDI.

It's nice that your VW dealership and VWoA stood behind you when your GTI had a major failure. I wasn't so lucky. My TDI had a significant failure. I didn't even ask for a replacement car; all I wanted from them was an extended warranty just in case my car's failure resulted in future problems. There was a good chance that there wouldn't be any such future problems, and that I'd never have to make a future claim against the extended warranty I asked for. Regardless, VWoA denied my request, and that's when I swore off VWs (and thus all VW brands, like Audi).

You say that VWs are similarly reliable to Subarus. The data suggests otherwise:



Yes, every car model/brand has some issues. No machine is perfect 100% of the time. I get it. But as you can see, your chances of having a problem with a Honda/Toyota/Mazda/Subaru is significantly lower than with a VW. Your personal experience with VW is a small sample size, so it's not representative of what most people experience. Or maybe it is--your GTI did need a clutch/engine replacement, regardless of how well VWoA handled the situation.

For most of us, the cars we drive are daily drivers. As such, our cars' primary mission in life is to get us from here to there without drama. My TDI and your GTI were both beautiful cars to drive. But relative to Honda/Toyota/Mazda/Subaru, our chances of having drama in our VWs was significantly higher. As I've said to you in the past, believe me when I say that I more than anybody else on this forum understands what you miss about your GTI. But regardless of how nice of a car a daily driver is (be it a VW or an Audi or a Porsche or a BMW or a Mercedes or an Austin or a Jaguar or whatever), if that daily driver doesn't get you from here to there successfully and without drama, then it has failed you.

My TDI spent 3% of the time I owned it at the dealership. I lost all faith in the car, the dealership, and VWoA. Every time I see a TDI driving down the road and I start thinking about much nicer my TDI was than my Impreza, I remember how refreshing it is to know that when I turn the key my Impreza will start, run, and get me where I need to go. And that's priceless.
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Agreed. But its sad when reliability is "priceless". My 98' GMC just turned over the 100k mark and does all that you describe as being priceless. I'd price it at $2500.
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Agreed. But its sad when reliability is "priceless". My 98' GMC just turned over the 100k mark and does all that you describe as being priceless. I'd price it at $2500.
I assume from your that you're being somewhat sarcastic.

But trust me. My TDI left me stranded in Mechanicsburg, PA (I love the irony of that!) for 3 days almost exactly a year ago (Memorial Day 2012), as I was driving home from MD to NY. Massive fuel system failure that occurred on a national holiday, which slowed everything down by one day. The timing couldn't have been any worse.

As much as I was enjoying the drive right up until I noticed diesel fuel coating the exterior of my TDI, and can't express enough how much I would have ultimately preferred to have been driving my Impreza on that day (rather than sitting on the side of the highway, on a 90+ degree day, with my dog, waiting for the tow truck).

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