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Old 07-09-2013, 05:11 PM   #3851
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Thanks man.

Honestly, I don't even care if they have it for a month or longer as long as they fix the problem and put everything back together right. I'm fine with racking up miles on a loaner and keeping them off my car ;-)
If they keep the car for anywhere near a month, you should contact SOA and ask them to reimburse you for one month of your loan payment.

I got VWoA to refund one month of my loan payment when they had my TDI for 2.5 weeks.
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Old 07-09-2013, 05:15 PM   #3852
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If they keep the car for anywhere near a month, you should contact SOA and ask them to reimburse you for one month of your loan payment.

I got VWoA to refund one month of my loan payment when they had my TDI for 2.5 weeks.
why? What expense are you out that you wouldnt have normally incurred?
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Old 07-09-2013, 05:55 PM   #3853
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why? What expense are you out that you wouldnt have normally incurred?
None. But when you buy a car, you expect to drive the car you're paying for. At least I do.
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Old 07-09-2013, 06:45 PM   #3854
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Update:

I just got word from the dealership that they are going to replace the short block, heads, valves, etc. Basicly everything but the long block. They also said that there was no ETA yet for the parts to come in so who knows how long they'll have it for.
So did they find out what is wrong and causing oil consumption?
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Old 07-09-2013, 07:24 PM   #3855
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If they keep the car for anywhere near a month, you should contact SOA and ask them to reimburse you for one month of your loan payment.

I got VWoA to refund one month of my loan payment when they had my TDI for 2.5 weeks.
Very good advice!
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Old 07-09-2013, 07:40 PM   #3856
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So did they find out what is wrong and causing oil consumption?
I assume, from following his story along, that oil was/is getting past the rings.
Subaru knows whats going on by now, they replaced engines last year. If their engineers cant figure out a production, design, or assembly issue by now they all deserve to be fired and replaced with Dodge employees.

I think the bores are either improperly machined/honed, or the rings may be somehow botched occasionally when being manufactured or assembled on the production floor at Fuji.
I know with this XV, I've been WAAAY more careful and attentive when driving and breaking it in. Lots of variation in RPM's and keeping the tach mostly under 4000. Not babying it at all. Just giving it ample time to warm up and then varying rpms, engine braking after half throttle pulls to 4000. Havent touched the cruise control. Not going to for at least the first 11-1200 miles. Its at about 400 miles now and no oil loss to note.
If it does end up burning some oil, well, I won't be too upset. A quart in 7500 miles is fine, not three. Wish me luck!
And good luck to you, Jrobb- I'm happy for you man! Hopefully you have fun with the loaner and get your car back all fixed and ready for many many miles.
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Old 07-09-2013, 08:19 PM   #3857
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I assume, from following his story along, that oil was/is getting past the rings.
Subaru knows whats going on by now, they replaced engines last year. If their engineers cant figure out a production, design, or assembly issue by now they all deserve to be fired and replaced with Dodge employees.

I think the bores are either improperly machined/honed, or the rings may be somehow botched occasionally when being manufactured or assembled on the production floor at Fuji.
I know with this XV, I've been WAAAY more careful and attentive when driving and breaking it in. Lots of variation in RPM's and keeping the tach mostly under 4000. Not babying it at all. Just giving it ample time to warm up and then varying rpms, engine braking after half throttle pulls to 4000. Havent touched the cruise control. Not going to for at least the first 11-1200 miles. Its at about 400 miles now and no oil loss to note.
If it does end up burning some oil, well, I won't be too upset. A quart in 7500 miles is fine, not three. Wish me luck!
And good luck to you, Jrobb- I'm happy for you man! Hopefully you have fun with the loaner and get your car back all fixed and ready for many many miles.
This is how I broke mine in, except also 2 pulls to redline in 2nd gear when it had 60 total miles on it, overall really no problems
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Old 07-09-2013, 08:28 PM   #3858
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I think 4400-4600 is as high as I've went so far.
Don't they break in aviation engines in a similar way?
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Old 07-09-2013, 08:53 PM   #3859
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This is how I broke mine in, except also 2 pulls to redline in 2nd gear when it had 60 total miles on it, overall really no problems
I picked mine up in KC, and drove it from 3 miles to home kinda rough. Maybe it saw an attempt to redline, just never got there. It was too restricted and tight to get much past 5000. Now it revs much more freely. ;-)
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Old 07-09-2013, 10:30 PM   #3860
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I think 4400-4600 is as high as I've went so far.
Don't they break in aviation engines in a similar way?
Pistons are 75% power for 2 hours straight.

Turbines are just get in and fly, roughly 90+% rpm
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Old 07-09-2013, 11:53 PM   #3861
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I still sorta like the theory about during the break in period the rings weren't seated properly. I didn't rev my engine hard the entire break in period, but with only 100-200 miles on it I let 2 friends drive it a bit, and they both put it up to 4.5-5.5k RPMs once. I joke with them they might have saved my from an oil burner.

Either way, something about the rings...
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Old 07-10-2013, 12:09 AM   #3862
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Pistons are 75% power for 2 hours straight.

Turbines are just get in and fly, roughly 90+% rpm
Thats what I had thought.
Thats sort of the rationale of this break in procedure. With aspects of Motorcycle break-in applied as well.
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Old 07-10-2013, 12:15 AM   #3863
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I got it with 8 miles on it, anx even on the test drive, I applied the varying engine load/rpm's technique.
My last car, in retrospect, was probably broken in too gently. Or maybe it didnt matter and was born a burner.
With this car, I've been methodical from the start.
My girlfriend said to me that she cant wait till its got 1000++ miles on it so we can dribe along at one speed in one gear for more than a couple minutes.
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Old 07-11-2013, 07:09 PM   #3864
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Just did an oil change on my car. 14,500 on the car, 7000 on the fill, amsoil XL and it burned 0.5qt. On my last change the car drained roughly 5qts out, this time only 4.5qts came out.

Having said that, 0.5qts in 7000 miles reluctantly falls into my "acceptable" category. Definitely ran the car harder this OCI, and the temps here in GA are in the 90's everyday.

Put amsoil OE in this time, so we will see if it just didn't like the XL for some reason.
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Old 07-11-2013, 07:25 PM   #3865
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Just did an oil change on my car. 14,500 on the car, 7000 on the fill, amsoil XL and it burned 0.5qt. On my last change the car drained roughly 5qts out, this time only 4.5qts came out.

Having said that, 0.5qts in 7000 miles reluctantly falls into my "acceptable" category. Definitely ran the car harder this OCI, and the temps here in GA are in the 90's everyday.

Put amsoil OE in this time, so we will see if it just didn't like the XL for some reason.
I see zero problem with .5qt in 7000 miles! It has to use some otherwise not everything gets lubricated
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Old 07-12-2013, 09:52 PM   #3866
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I got VWoA to refund one month of my loan payment when they had my TDI for 2.5 weeks.
How was your tdi in the snow? I am considering moving on from this mess.
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Old 07-13-2013, 12:46 AM   #3867
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I would think going from awd to fwd would be a big disadvantage in snow.
What about an SUV that's compact but has awd or even 4wd?
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Old 07-13-2013, 02:24 AM   #3868
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How was your tdi in the snow? I am considering moving on from this mess.
they're crap without good snow tires. same can be said for almost any car of course, but your suby will get you around pretty well
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Old 07-13-2013, 02:52 AM   #3869
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they're crap without good snow tires. same can be said for almost any car of course, but your suby will get you around pretty well
Any car, AWD or not, is gonna suck in the snow without a proper set of seasonal tires. I thought my Subie was horrible in the snow last year with the stock 17's and garbage Yoko tires.

This winter I'm going with a dedicated set of 15" rims with winter tires.
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Old 07-21-2013, 10:35 PM   #3870
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After all my warning, someone I know went to my first dealer Bill Bryan.
Lmao- shes paying 500 a month for 84 months for a Premium hatch with the only option the moonroof. Thats $42,000 for a subaru impreza! Good folks over there! L
Even after putting 28,000mi on my trade in and losing money on buying another new car and all, I only owe about a grand or so more on the xv than I did on the impreza.
Anyone who knows me and still would buy a car from bill bryan deserves what they get!
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Old 07-21-2013, 10:39 PM   #3871
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It's the dealer's fault that your friends are incapable of making sound financial decisions?
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Old 07-21-2013, 10:43 PM   #3872
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Not at all. Stupid people make stupid choices. She simply stated "I just wanted a car and mastro wasnt open.
Anyone that would pay 500/month for an impreza is gonna get raped on any car deal anywhere.
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Old 07-21-2013, 10:50 PM   #3873
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I lol'ed when she told me that the battery was dead when they went to test drive it. And it had several miles already on it. not like 100 but not the six to eight my cars have when I buy them.
It feels so good to have a car thats never been on Mr Bryans lot!
Man, this XV is awesome!!!!
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Old 07-21-2013, 11:00 PM   #3874
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Sounds like my local Subaru dealer. I'll drive 45 minutes out of the way just to avoid them.
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Old 07-21-2013, 11:29 PM   #3875
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Not at all. Stupid people make stupid choices. She simply stated "I just wanted a car and mastro wasnt open.
Anyone that would pay 500/month for an impreza is gonna get raped on any car deal anywhere.
Especially for 7 years. Those numbers don't make sense unless zero down and high interest rate
The only way I can come up with those numbers is a car sold at 25k out the door @ 17% interest. Seriously does your friend have bad credit and no common sense?
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