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Old 04-29-2014, 08:55 AM   #5276
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VanBortel said it was a loaner. Apparently they sell them every model year and replace them. She got a great deal on a 7 yr 100k mile bumper to bumper warranty. We're not too worried about it.

And I'll do a bit of compression braking on the '14
You have good reason to not worry. Van Bortel Subaru is one of the top two Subaru dealerships in the country. I love doing business with them (both sales and service).

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Old 04-29-2014, 09:20 AM   #5277
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The dealership does make all the difference. My first dealership was beyond bad.
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Old 04-29-2014, 09:50 AM   #5278
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the entire continent is considered severe by soa. I'm about 20 miles north of disney world and apparently its SEVERE!
So, next time I'm in Davenport, I'll have to look you up. (My folks live there). It is severe, because the design of the roads and highways there need to be improved. You have very little time to get up to speed to match those that already do 10-15 over on just the surface roads. That's severe enough for me!

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I would argue that avoiding downshifting and engine braking is the wrong thing to do. These are the very kinds of activities that help seat the rings properly.

For the first 1000 miles, DO downshift and engine brake, but do it in a way that won't exceed 4k RPM.
I'm with you on this. It seems that could be the very thing. Those that provde some 'spirited' revving during break-in are not seeing oil loss. That the CVT passively prevents revving could very well be the issue at hand. And many people are completely fine with not revving their engines (where in days of old, even on the ATs, they would, on average, see many more revs, intentional or not, before shifting automatically.

Maybe we should look back to oil issues on the Justy when it came out with CVT... oh, wait... they had them back then too (and was one of the issues with the car... burning oil).

Engines require heat and friction to bed properly. If you prevent that, you're going to see oil loss as the metals harden before they're cured and shaped to seal properly.

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Old 04-29-2014, 10:53 AM   #5279
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I'm about to pick up a 2014 Impreza with a cvt on Wednesday. I'm planning on using the paddle shifters to get it to hold ~ 4000 rpms for a little longer than the auto mode wants to. I'm going to avoid downshifting /compression braking, and I'm going to take the long way to work for the first 1000 miles instead of the highway. Sound good for a new engine hard break in?

My wife has a 2012 Impreza with a cvt that she got used with 7000 miles on it. No idea how that engine was broken in, but hers does lose about 1qt every 3000 miles right now. We're keeping an eye on that.
Yep, like others said, sounds about right, though it's probably ok, maybe even good to let it engine brake. I would even take it to 5k RPMs a couple brief times after warmed up, just to give the rings even more encouragement to seat solidly.
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Old 04-29-2014, 11:49 AM   #5280
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So, next time I'm in Davenport, I'll have to look you up. (My folks live there). It is severe, because the design of the roads and highways there need to be improved. You have very little time to get up to speed to match those that already do 10-15 over on just the surface roads. That's severe enough for me!



I'm with you on this. It seems that could be the very thing. Those that provde some 'spirited' revving during break-in are not seeing oil loss. That the CVT passively prevents revving could very well be the issue at hand. And many people are completely fine with not revving their engines (where in days of old, even on the ATs, they would, on average, see many more revs, intentional or not, before shifting automatically.

Maybe we should look back to oil issues on the Justy when it came out with CVT... oh, wait... they had them back then too (and was one of the issues with the car... burning oil).

Engines require heat and friction to bed properly. If you prevent that, you're going to see oil loss as the metals harden before they're cured and shaped to seal properly.

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Thats odd-I never have any acceleration issues here. The usual speed limit in this area is 40-50, we have almost all new and well maintained roads, and the interstate/turpikes are all well away from here. We have very loght traffic, mild winters, and pretty much as ideal and beautiful co.ditions one could hope for as far as driving is concearned.
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Old 04-29-2014, 08:43 PM   #5281
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Why? Yellow light = $5 Red light = $5,000
Exactly!! Low oil pressure has ALWAYS been red! In aviation, (at least with my company) we have 3 colors, red, yellow and cyan (blue). Blue is advisory, yellow is caution, and red is "open your book to emergency procedures and pray you land safely!"
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Old 04-29-2014, 11:03 PM   #5282
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I'm about to pick up a 2014 Impreza with a cvt on Wednesday. I'm planning on using the paddle shifters to get it to hold ~ 4000 rpms for a little longer than the auto mode wants to. I'm going to avoid downshifting /compression braking, and I'm going to take the long way to work for the first 1000 miles instead of the highway. Sound good for a new engine hard break in?
No need to avoid the CVT downshifting, it'll short shift everything.

Using the paddle shifters -yes but... take it easy at first. I didn't go all out hard break-in right away. I just made a point of sneaking it in slowly and building it up. Started with a couple of seconds of higher rev and went by feel. If I felt like there was any 'strain' I'd back off. And there was at first - especially the first time. You can give it a little longer duration, then a little higher rev each time, gradually building both til they feel smooth and easy. Like some others have said, pick your spots - like on ramps and exiting toll plazas, a couple of times a day. And don't be surprised if you burn off the break-in oil more quickly. I needed a top off by 800 miles. It consumed less as it broke in.

Good luck with your new ride, enjoy!
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Old 04-29-2014, 11:24 PM   #5283
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So I plan on calling my dealership tomorrow to request another oil consumption test. It's been about 15k miles since my short block replacement and my low oil warning light still comes on every 1000 miles or so after every oil change or top off. The engine isn't consuming as much as before, but it's still consuming at a concerning rate at about 1/4 - 1/3 of a quart every 1000-1200 miles. I'll keep everyone posted as to what comes of this.
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Old 04-30-2014, 12:10 AM   #5284
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Dang. how low is yours when the low light comes on?
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Old 04-30-2014, 12:17 AM   #5285
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So I plan on calling my dealership tomorrow to request another oil consumption test. It's been about 15k miles since my short block replacement and my low oil warning light still comes on every 1000 miles or so after every oil change or top off. The engine isn't consuming as much as before, but it's still consuming at a concerning rate at about 1/4 - 1/3 of a quart every 1000-1200 miles. I'll keep everyone posted as to what comes of this.
I would give SOA also a call to let them know about your situation
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Old 04-30-2014, 12:29 AM   #5286
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Dang. how low is yours when the low light comes on?
Usually when it's about 1/4 - 1/3 quart low
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Old 04-30-2014, 08:11 AM   #5287
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Usually when it's about 1/4 - 1/3 quart low
That's odd. Our low oil light doesn't come on until we are a quart down. We recently took a road trip and I manually checked the dipstick. I found that we were a 1/2 quart down and there was no low oil level light. I have seen the low oil level light once and it was entire quart down.
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Old 04-30-2014, 10:47 AM   #5288
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That's odd. Our low oil light doesn't come on until we are a quart down. We recently took a road trip and I manually checked the dipstick. I found that we were a 1/2 quart down and there was no low oil level light. I have seen the low oil level light once and it was entire quart down.
Yeah, I do feel like it comes on a bit premature. I just checked my oil level and it's not even down 1/4 quart. Almost seems like it comes on earlier and earlier every time. Either way, I'm having it checked out this Friday.
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Old 05-01-2014, 03:30 AM   #5289
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So I plan on calling my dealership tomorrow to request another oil consumption test. It's been about 15k miles since my short block replacement and my low oil warning light still comes on every 1000 miles or so after every oil change or top off. The engine isn't consuming as much as before, but it's still consuming at a concerning rate at about 1/4 - 1/3 of a quart every 1000-1200 miles. I'll keep everyone posted as to what comes of this.
I tried to PM you wth some helpful info, but I think your message inbox is full, make some room so I can send another PM.
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Old 05-01-2014, 09:09 AM   #5290
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IMO Jrobb, they owe you a nice, problem free car.
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Old 05-01-2014, 09:49 AM   #5291
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Up to about 80 miles on it. So far I've been staying below 3000rpm until about 15 minutes into my drive, to make sure the temperatures in the engine are good and hot. Then, mostly I've been fluctuating the rpms between 2500 and 4000, with an occasional rev up to 5000 while using the paddles. I try to downshift toward every 3rd stop light or so.

Good? All comments are welcome, including "You're a tard and you're gonna break your new car". Just as long as you include an explaination. LoL
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Old 05-01-2014, 10:10 AM   #5292
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Any reasonable use during "break in" should be fine. Your method sounds more than reasonable. Carry on!
When are you going to have the first oil change?
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Old 05-01-2014, 10:26 AM   #5293
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The first time it happened I was traveling on a day trip about 150 miles from home and it was about 6,000 miles since the 7,500 mile change. I found a Subaru dealer (luckily it was open on a Saturday) and they put in not quite a full quart.

Now it happened again yesterday - again 75 to 100 miles from home and it has only been 3,800 miles since my 15,000 mile change.

This is my third and probably last Subaru. The previous two had oil leakage issues around 80,000 miles. This time I have been taking it to a Subaru dealer and doing everything according to the maintenance book but have never in over 40 years of owning a car had the oil light come on until I bought the 2012 Impreza.
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Old 05-01-2014, 10:58 AM   #5294
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This is a completely different engine than in the Subarus you've owned before, so there's no reason to expect the same problems.

The oil level light comes on because you're not maintaining the oil level. The "oil light" in your previous cars is most likely an oil pressure light, which is much more serious.

Burning "not quite a full quart" over 7500 miles is nothing at all to be alarmed about.

You should probably be more concerned about whether 7500 mile intervals can support your driving cycle.

You don't need to go to a Subaru dealer to maintain your oil level. This is something you can and should do yourself. All you need is synthetic 0w20. Read your owner's manual for details.

There are some legitimate complaints in this thread, but this doesn't qualify.
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Old 05-01-2014, 11:14 AM   #5295
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That your opinion. But if a consumer uses their car in the same way they use any car and have different results after years of drivig then that is for them to judge.
Your preachy condemnation of the consumer is odd, but expected.
Maybe others have higher expectations for a new and modern car.
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Up to about 80 miles on it. So far I've been staying below 3000rpm until about 15 minutes into my drive, to make sure the temperatures in the engine are good and hot. Then, mostly I've been fluctuating the rpms between 2500 and 4000, with an occasional rev up to 5000 while using the paddles. I try to downshift toward every 3rd stop light or so.

Good? All comments are welcome, including "You're a tard and you're gonna break your new car". Just as long as you include an explaination. LoL
Nope that sounds just about right, to me at least, and seems in-line with what others have said.
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Old 05-01-2014, 02:26 PM   #5297
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Your preachy condemnation of the consumer is odd, but expected.
Maybe others have higher expectations for a new and modern car.
Maybe my already low expectations of the consumer aren't low enough.

When these are the people you use to make your case, you end up looking foolish.
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Old 05-01-2014, 04:18 PM   #5298
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Screw off, all I'm doing is encouraging discussion among people. You just wanna stand on a soapbox and preach at people. Youre only here to cut people down and flex your outrageous ego.
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Screw off, all I'm doing is encouraging discussion among people. You just wanna stand on a soapbox and preach at people. Youre only here to cut people down and flex your outrageous ego.
Except in this instance.

Charlie has his own personal soapbox to stand on.
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When are you going to have the first oil change?
Probably at 1000 - 1500 miles.

Subaru says not to use any fuel additives like injector cleaners and stuff, but I've always put a bottle of Chevron Dextron into my tank about 300-400 miles before oil changes. Why does Subaru think this is a bad idea? I can't imagine it'd hurt anything
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