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Old 08-23-2012, 04:06 PM   #1101
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Yeah, I don't really put a whole lot of stock into what CR says.
In terms of what CR "says" with regards to a car model's reliability, you need to understand that they simply compile the reliability data that is returned to them via their annual auto survey. It's not really what CR says, but rather what their collective base of subscribers say.

So you can disagree with what they say about a car's performance or styling or design or functionality or comfort or whatever, but when it comes to the reliability data (red/black circles), that not CR's "opinion", but rather a compilation of the survey data.

If you're a CR subscriber, then you should cream the Impreza as appropriate to your experience. You can bet your gluteus maximus that I ran up one side of the Golf TDI and down the other side on the last CR survey. So I contributed to the 2010 TDI's black dot. Fair is fair, after all.

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Old 08-23-2012, 05:36 PM   #1102
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I'd assume that they do a leak-down test. But assumptions have proven wrong with this car so who knows. A compression test is less scientific and more crude, imo.
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Old 08-23-2012, 05:57 PM   #1103
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I'd assume that they do a leak-down test. But assumptions have proven wrong with this car so who knows. A compression test is less scientific and more crude, imo.
When you get those numbers please share them. (i cant do much with "the compression was fine" type of response you might get but if i can get numbers per cylinder i can give you a good idea as to where your engine stands compared to mine.)
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Old 08-23-2012, 06:27 PM   #1104
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But they sell these cars to librarians in Vermont. Its a grocery-getter.
There's the thing, I complained early to the Service department that the CVT RPMs at our ridiculousness 30mph speed limits was quickly dropping down to 1200rpm then lugging the engine.

Now it was fine for me to manually hold the gears to higher RPMs in manual mode but as this is mainly my wifes car it's crazy to think she or other non car orientated folks would drive it anything other than it wanted to as an Automatic.

I asked them by email and then the Service manager directly if the TCM and ECM driveability TSBs ( which I proved them the codes ) released in Jan 2012 helped and they said they had no idea what they were or what they did ?
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Old 08-23-2012, 07:53 PM   #1105
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My mom drove my car and her response was basically that she thought it was merely ok. She said she felt like she was lugging it most of the time. Mines a manual trans. But she was driving in The Villages. Which is the retirement capital of florida.
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Old 08-23-2012, 09:59 PM   #1106
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There's the thing, I complained early to the Service department that the CVT RPMs at our ridiculousness 30mph speed limits was quickly dropping down to 1200rpm then lugging the engine.

Now it was fine for me to manually hold the gears to higher RPMs in manual mode but as this is mainly my wifes car it's crazy to think she or other non car orientated folks would drive it anything other than it wanted to as an Automatic.

I asked them by email and then the Service manager directly if the TCM and ECM driveability TSBs ( which I proved them the codes ) released in Jan 2012 helped and they said they had no idea what they were or what they did ?
There is a TSB and ECM update available for the low RPMS when coming to a stop. We have performed quite a few with great results. Although, the TSB applies to the Outback and Legacy...not the Impreza.

ECM and TCM updates come out all the time. They are covered for 8/80 (ECM) and 5/60 (TCM) under warranty. We check every car that comes in under warranty for them.

If your dealer is not aware of updates, or doesn't know how to perform them, I would suggest finding another dealer.
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Old 08-23-2012, 10:08 PM   #1107
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This test is used to determine the rate of oil consumption and is required as supporting documentation for subsequent engine repairs after determining that there are no external leaks.

Note: Vehicle must have more than 3000 miles before performing test.

Begin the test by changing the oil and filter. Instruct the owner to check the oil level regularly (during refueling) and return to the dealer when the oil level is one (1) quart low or after 1,200 miles, whichever occurs first. The owner should not add any oil to the vehicle. The dealer should be the only one adding oil during the test period.

The oil usage must be checked for four (4) times. Do not change the oil/filter during the test period.

Consumption rate determined: __________________________ per _________________________ miles.

If more than 1 quart per 1200 miles, perform a compression test.
Granted....this is actual in a form....but the wording is there....just not the graph that gets filled out by the dealer.
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Old 08-23-2012, 10:14 PM   #1108
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As always, you go WAY and BEYOND what I would expect from a dealer doing warranty/scheduled service work. ESPECIALLY since I didn't buy the car there.
3500-4000 miles to go...
Thanks a million.
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Old 08-23-2012, 10:18 PM   #1109
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That would only be true if the problems happen in high enough numbers to affect publications that report on reliability, such as Consumer Reports. If we start seeing black circles in the "Engine Major" category for the 2012 Impreza, and if CR then removes their "Recommended" rating for the Impreza (and Forester, BRZ, etc.), then that would certainly scare customers away.

But as of now, the Impreza gets a full red circle (as good as it gets) for "Engine Major" from 2008 through 2011, and gets a half red circle for 2007. In fact, the only category that the Impreza gets a consistently sketchy mark (average or below) is in "Paint/Trim".

I understand that the 2.0L engine is new, which might open up a whole new can of worms with big black CR circles on the can's label. We'll just have to wait and see if enough folks like you experience this issue to affect the CR score.

You've been hearing me b!tch about the VW TDI. It's not just me. The MK6 Golf TDI came out in 2010, and has a half black circle for "Fuel System" in 2010. The MK6 Jetta Sportwagen TDI came out in 2009, and has a full black circle in 2009 and half black circle in 2010 for "Fuel System". I don't just make this s**t up.

And yet, even with these fuel system black marks, the VW TDI is still "Recommended" by CR.

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Old 08-24-2012, 12:01 AM   #1110
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If your dealer is not aware of updates, or doesn't know how to perform them, I would suggest finding another dealer.
Thanks RexyGirl a conclusion I'm coming to after initially putting in the wrong oil at first service then over filling it over 1/2".

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Old 08-24-2012, 09:04 PM   #1111
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Hey Rexygirl... would you like to come work at my dealership?? Please? No one at my dealership gives an f about my concerns with my Subie.

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Old 08-25-2012, 04:15 AM   #1112
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I have 16K miles on my 2012 impreza premium with 5 speed. I change the oil and filter ever 3K miles. At first it was a half quart used every 3K miles. Now I am up to almost 2 quarts for every 3K miles. So the dealer is going to do an oil test. They say using one quart for every thousand miles of driving is ok!!!! WTF!!!!! its $ 7-10 bucks a quart! And the squeaky drivers seat!!! They say "they don't hear it". My Subaru dealer is a joke! OH and they want $120.00 for and oil and filter service that includes a whopping 10 point inspection! I love the car but were not in 1975! OH I do avg 35-36 MPG mixed driving.(best 42mpg, Worst 31 Mpg) Also why instal a "shift up" light and have it disabled for the U.S. market? If you hate the "seat belt reminder ding" get seat belt extenders
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Old 08-25-2012, 07:40 AM   #1113
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I have 16K miles on my 2012 impreza premium with 5 speed. I change the oil and filter ever 3K miles. At first it was a half quart used every 3K miles. Now I am up to almost 2 quarts for every 3K miles. So the dealer is going to do an oil test. They say using one quart for every thousand miles of driving is ok!!!! WTF!!!!! its $ 7-10 bucks a quart! And the squeaky drivers seat!!! They say "they don't hear it". My Subaru dealer is a joke! OH and they want $120.00 for and oil and filter service that includes a whopping 10 point inspection! I love the car but were not in 1975! OH I do avg 35-36 MPG mixed driving.(best 42mpg, Worst 31 Mpg) Also why instal a "shift up" light and have it disabled for the U.S. market? If you hate the "seat belt reminder ding" get seat belt extenders
I'm actually kind of happy about the disabled upshift light. It may be good for noobs, but when you have been driving a standard for years it would be annoying (though the way I drive, I probably would not have seen it much).
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Old 08-25-2012, 07:53 AM   #1114
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I think you can enable it though. I'm not going to
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Old 08-25-2012, 08:29 AM   #1115
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Hey Rexygirl... would you like to come work at my dealership?? Please? No one at my dealership gives an f about my concerns with my Subie.
Sorry....very happy where I am.

Where do you live? Is there another dealer closeby you can go to?
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Old 08-26-2012, 02:16 PM   #1116
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I know I'm late in this thread but I used to get the same oil level light just after I purchased my 2012 sport and it seemed to happen almost smack dab in between 7500 mile oil changes. So I just add a about a quart between changes or do a full oil and filter change every 3500 miles instead of at 7500. I have 22k on it right now and havent seen that light come on since about 15k. I know it shouldn't burn so much oil but I am pretty much killing this thing so I guess its a kind of penance... Pretty much great car though otherwise.
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Old 08-26-2012, 04:33 PM   #1117
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I know I'm late in this thread but I used to get the same oil level light just after I purchased my 2012 sport and it seemed to happen almost smack dab in between 7500 mile oil changes. So I just add a about a quart between changes or do a full oil and filter change every 3500 miles instead of at 7500. I have 22k on it right now and havent seen that light come on since about 15k. I know it shouldn't burn so much oil but I am pretty much killing this thing so I guess its a kind of penance... Pretty much great car though otherwise.
after 15k you dont see that light any more? does that mean that your car isnt burning as much oil?
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Old 08-26-2012, 05:10 PM   #1118
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I have 16K miles on my 2012 impreza premium with 5 speed. I change the oil and filter ever 3K miles. At first it was a half quart used every 3K miles. Now I am up to almost 2 quarts for every 3K miles. So the dealer is going to do an oil test. They say using one quart for every thousand miles of driving is ok!!!! WTF!!!!! its $ 7-10 bucks a quart! And the squeaky drivers seat!!! They say "they don't hear it". My Subaru dealer is a joke! OH and they want $120.00 for and oil and filter service that includes a whopping 10 point inspection! I love the car but were not in 1975! OH I do avg 35-36 MPG mixed driving.(best 42mpg, Worst 31 Mpg) Also why instal a "shift up" light and have it disabled for the U.S. market? If you hate the "seat belt reminder ding" get seat belt extenders
2 Quarts every 3k.....YIKES.... We have another 79 in our midsts.

I'm officially scared of these new Toyota'd engines.
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Old 08-26-2012, 05:14 PM   #1119
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after 15k you dont see that light any more? does that mean that your car isnt burning as much oil?
It means he does an oil change every 3500 miles... so who knows. He's implying his car was burning oil so to solve the problem he changes/fills oil at a different interval.
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2 Quarts every 3k.....YIKES.... We have another 79 in our midsts.

I'm officially scared of these new Toyota'd engines.
I don't understand your comment.

From the looks of it, Toyota let Subaru lead the way on the majority of the engineering, and the boxer engine design (and probably the suspension, etc up to and maybe including the bodywork) for the BRZ/Scion FR-S, their main contribution besides money to fund the project was the Direct Injection for the engine, a feature that the 2012 Impreza boxer engine does not have.

In what way do you think Toyota influenced negatively the boxer engine in the Impreza?

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Old 08-27-2012, 12:32 PM   #1121
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Yeah its surprising you hear "Toyota'd an engine" Doe that mean it runs for 300k mile? Ive heard nothing but good things about their engineering. Similar to Honda.
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Old 08-28-2012, 07:58 AM   #1122
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Over the years Toyota and Honda seem to have lost their brand identity, and qc has gone down. I think lots of folks are worried about "good old subaru" being next to follow the trend. Subaru adopting Toyota's oil consumption policies regarding the BRZ is not inspiring confidence. I wonder if the next generation of wrx's will be "blessed" with the low-tension rings.
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Over the years Toyota and Honda seem to have lost their brand identity, and qc has gone down. I think lots of folks are worried about "good old subaru" being next to follow the trend. Subaru adopting Toyota's oil consumption policies regarding the BRZ is not inspiring confidence. I wonder if the next generation of wrx's will be "blessed" with the low-tension rings.
only if they are lucky. Low tension rings gives you more HP if you can sacrifice some oil in the process then i think alot of people would make that trade.
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only if they are lucky. Low tension rings gives you more HP if you can sacrifice some oil in the process then i think alot of people would make that trade.
Is it a fact that all engine designs that use low tension rings will have higher oil consumption?
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only if they are lucky. Low tension rings gives you more HP if you can sacrifice some oil in the process then i think alot of people would make that trade.
I'd like to think american consumers are smarter than that. But judging from this board, I have serious doubts.

Raise your hand- Who would trade oil consumption for .5 hp or so???

Engines aren't supposed to consume quarts of oil new. I don't care what kind of ring design they use or what kind of maketing they employ.

Just so we're clear- its not the short-term "having to top it off" that pisses me off. Its SOA's response (lack thereof), and the long term problems that surely will arise from such an oil thirsty pos.
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