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Old 08-28-2012, 09:44 AM   #1126
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Is it a fact that all engine designs that use low tension rings will have higher oil consumption?
Not if the block is honed correctly. Or it will just take longer for the rings to seat. Wouldnt it be wonderful if the people having issues sold their car at around 20k and the new owner gets the car and the engine breaks in at 30k
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Old 08-28-2012, 10:34 AM   #1127
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Not if the block is honed correctly. Or it will just take longer for the rings to seat. Wouldnt it be wonderful if the people having issues sold their car at around 20k and the new owner gets the car and the engine breaks in at 30k
Lalalalala keep living in fantasy land...
If it takes 30,000 miles to break in an engine, well- that's just silly. Even ludicrous.
If they aren't properly seated, by 20 or 30k you have an oil consuming POS. Oild consumption is not something that magically goes away. Some of us got turds for engines.
Your repeatedly silly defenses of shoddy products does cause me to quesation your motives on this forum. As far as I can gather, you're a weak minded consumer blindly following soa off a cliff like a lemming, or you work for them at some level. Otherwise, why would you go so far out to come up with repeated scenarios and circumstances to try and explain away the oil consumption?
Maybe you did buy a 2012 impreza and are just defending the make out of pride in your new purchase.
I love Smith & Wesson revolvers, but I'll be the first one to tell you that qc has gone waaay down and they have been putting out much less quality work in the last several years. Just using that as an example.
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Old 08-28-2012, 10:42 AM   #1128
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Sorry for the spelling, tiny little buttons don't do so well with my hands.
This conversation reminds me of when Jim the service mgr at B Bryan told me "all new cars burn oil, everyone knows that" and "these are half-million-mile engines" in the same sentence.
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Old 08-28-2012, 11:15 AM   #1129
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Your repeatedly silly defenses of shoddy products does cause me to quesation your motives on this forum. As far as I can gather, you're a weak minded consumer blindly following soa off a cliff like a lemming, or you work for them at some level.
Sigh. Your email would have been more effective without the personal attack quoted above. This is the crap that initiates the flame wars, and that ultimately brings this useful thread to its knees.

If only you could have kept the rest of your post as it was, but without the above two sentences. Then your anger would have been directed appropriately, toward SOA and your original dealership.

I wish we would stop directing the anger at each other, because that's just misguided. I'm not saying that we can't disagree with each other's opinions. But can't we disagree without the hurtful insults? Wouldn't it have been enough to say, "I disagree that any modern engine should require 30k miles to break in", and then leave it at that?
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Old 08-28-2012, 01:30 PM   #1130
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Yes and I agree.
However- this guy has called into question my entire character, education, life history.
He goes way out of his way to almost exclusively arggue with EVERY word I state. He argued that the tailpipe was on the drivers side!
But you are correct, my anger at SOA and Bill Bryan is best utilized when not squabbling with trolls and people whose sole purpose is to argue.
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Old 08-28-2012, 01:40 PM   #1131
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For the good of the thread, you can do what I do when someone is rude to me on a forum. I ignore him, which avoids the volley of insults going back and forth.

No point in fueling the fire.
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Old 08-28-2012, 03:53 PM   #1132
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I dont ever remember saying 30k was preferable. Last time i checked you were doing the trolling, chuckie. Either way lots of people race motors with low tension rings because it pays dividends in the higher rpm range.

Im sure Charlies engine will produce a little more hp because his rings are loser but he would rather focus on the negative of having to watch his oil for the full 7500 mile period.

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Old 08-28-2012, 06:26 PM   #1133
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^^ 79, that's your cue to **not** reply, as much as you might want to.

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Old 08-28-2012, 06:49 PM   #1134
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I am on 79letour's side. Frankly because I'm PO'd. My car would die at reds and stop signs under 100 miles on the Odometer. They fixed it, down playing it for awhile and SOA upped my warranty to Gold...BUT the entire RIDE Subaru, on all levels, has given my has been generally bad. One dealer ignored my problems with "simple" explanations. This dealer, the one that did the work, ignored my oil and coolant consumption telling me of these saammee extreme driving condition. A week later, another deal confirmed there was a leak and in its response to my query on a grinding fifth ( which the other dealer ignored) informed me of a transmission that need to be pulled. I now have 17000 miles on the car after one year and this leaky, grinding metal better get fixed.... Because that is not why I bought a Subaru...
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Old 08-28-2012, 06:53 PM   #1135
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Ps. The initial engine problem was a loss of compression due to a bad seating on a valve... They had the block sent away and "put'er back together again".... So I'm thinking about a lemon, but I don't know the benefits besides getting different car altogether... Any advice on whether to stick it out or bail out would be invaluable to me.
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Old 08-28-2012, 08:27 PM   #1136
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Ps. The initial engine problem was a loss of compression due to a bad seating on a valve... They had the block sent away and "put'er back together again".... So I'm thinking about a lemon, but I don't know the benefits besides getting different car altogether... Any advice on whether to stick it out or bail out would be invaluable to me.
I'm on 79's side too. And on yours.

I sympathize with you guys after having problems with my VW Golf TDI. I had problems with both the dealership and VWoA. They were unwilling to do what was needed to keep me as a customer, so I dumped the TDI and bought the Impreza.

My advice is that as long as SOA and the dealership are trying to make things better, give them a chance to succeed. I gave VWoA a chance to make things better for me, and they wouldn't, so I kissed them goodbye (notice how I said "wouldn't", not "couldn't"). But it sounds like SOA is still working with you, so give them the opportunity to make things right.
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Old 08-28-2012, 10:55 PM   #1137
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I am on 79letour's side. Frankly because I'm PO'd. My car would die at reds and stop signs under 100 miles on the Odometer. They fixed it, down playing it for awhile and SOA upped my warranty to Gold...BUT the entire RIDE Subaru, on all levels, has given my has been generally bad. One dealer ignored my problems with "simple" explanations. This dealer, the one that did the work, ignored my oil and coolant consumption telling me of these saammee extreme driving condition. A week later, another deal confirmed there was a leak and in its response to my query on a grinding fifth ( which the other dealer ignored) informed me of a transmission that need to be pulled. I now have 17000 miles on the car after one year and this leaky, grinding metal better get fixed.... Because that is not why I bought a Subaru...
Hope you get it fixed. So a bad valve was the reason it stalled? You have a 2011 so thats the old 2.5 and you are having oil consumption issues/coolant loss. Have you been checking in to see if its as much a problem with your generation as opposed to the new FB engine?

Also what is the allowable oil consumption rate for your model?

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Old 08-29-2012, 09:04 AM   #1138
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SOA blows goats. They sent me a "share the love" email. So I emaid them back asking them to "share" some "love" on my pos lemon.
God, the longer I have this car the more Subaru"s ads piss me off. Oh- you're donating millions to charity but won't answer consumers questiions when you sell them a turd?
I also got an Email from Bill Bryan letting me know "we want your car! 2012 sales event blah blah". So I responded with "its hard to take yall up on that offer when you've asked me not to come back". I also told them that I wanted a refund for the "dealer extra paint and interior" warranty I paid a few hundo for.
I also asked them to remove me from their mailing list.
From where I'm sitting the ads should read more like " Subaru- because you suck, and we hate you".
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Old 08-29-2012, 11:14 AM   #1139
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WE don't hate them. YOU do.
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Hope you get it fixed. So a bad valve was the reason it stalled? You have a 2011 so thats the old 2.5 and you are having oil consumption issues/coolant loss. Have you been checking in to see if its as much a problem with your generation as opposed to the new FB engine?

Also what is the allowable oil consumption rate for your model?
I realize my engine is the more powerful, less economic version...and a quart every 3,500 is their acceptable rate... But I was LEAKING oil. Oil covered suspension components under the hood because a faulty "camshaft end plug". I knew it was legit, but after second time I had leaking they said it was acceptable. I smelled their BS from a mile away and got a second Subaru opinion. The second dealership said that their was a bad cover gasket and I was losing fluid...

All in all I was mad and burned by the first dealer and a deep resentment lies within me, however I will take the advice to allow SoA to make things right... Only because I love my year, make, and model.

Thanks for the reply
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Old 08-29-2012, 12:17 PM   #1141
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I'd rather have an external oil leak than an oil consumption issue. The root cause is easier to identify, and it's easier to tell when it's truly fixed. I think SOA will take care of you on this one.
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Old 08-29-2012, 05:29 PM   #1142
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Honestly, as unhappy as some of you are with your cars, why do you still have them? I don't think it will be possible to make some of you happy at this point. The ownership experience has been ruined for you. As sgoldste01 did with VW, it may be time to move on. Really not worth letting any vehicle get you this worked up.

As for me, I have been pleasantly pleased with this car. Debating on whether I should order a Crosstrek or not. I will definitely have a new Outback when the next generation is released.
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Old 08-29-2012, 06:14 PM   #1143
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WE don't hate them. YOU do.
Well- I DO realize that. That wasant really what I was getting at sarcastically. I was sarcastically implying that Subarus ads should say that. At least from my buying perspective. I think you misread my post.
Sooo a quart per 3500 on the previous model? And 15-20 hp? Hmmm...
I really wish this car har different gearing and came with the previous model's engine. They should have done more actual testing and r&d. I've realized that this car was built on paper for numbers on paper.
Oh, I just remembered- haven't checked my dipstick today. Gotta go "do my part".
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I'm stuck with mine. At least for another 18 months or so.
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Old 08-30-2012, 10:24 AM   #1145
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I'm stuck with mine. At least for another 18 months or so.
Isn't it possible to unload it by selling it and someone taking over your payments? I know it's been done before in private sales.

For god's sake get rid of that lemon.....

I want to hear you come on here with some GOOD news for once....PLEASE gimme some satisfaction.

BTW...did you also get the crappy oem tires they put on that thing. The 92A bridgestones....terrible tires.
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Old 08-30-2012, 12:04 PM   #1146
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My oem Yokohamas have been holding up pretty well. No complaints tire-wise.
Does anyone else laugh at the oem battery? It looks soooo outdated. Of course, that's an easy fix.
Right now, I'm thinking about trying to find someone with a low mileage 2011 who's wanting to "upgrade".
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Old 08-30-2012, 12:18 PM   #1147
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My Yoko tires seem fine to me too. I have less than 4k miles on them; hopefully they will continue to satisfy for a long time.

I have no complaints regarding the battery. It is, after all, a battery. So I don't know what more to expect from it, beyond that it start my car.

Some auto manufacturers like to put the battery into some kind of box (usually plastic, although VW cheapened and went with a fabric sack on the MK6 cars). This makes the engine compartment look tidy, and keeps the battery clean. So I guess that could be a complaint--not with the battery itself, but with how it's packaged and stored within the engine compartment. Perhaps there's an after-market solution? Is the battery on a WRX/STI also exposed, or is the battery in a box in those cars? If in a box, can our Impreza's be retrofitted with a WRX/STI battery box?
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Old 08-30-2012, 05:37 PM   #1148
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its just the cheezy 1970's-looking non-sealed battery. just looks cheap. As you said- it DOES start the car.
I just ordered a set of Weather Tech mats for mine, my workboots have made short work of the factory carpet mats, and I figure they will help when I go to trade or sell it. At least the carpets will look new this way.
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Old 08-30-2012, 05:38 PM   #1149
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The WRX's have the same battery, fwiw.
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Which Yoko's do you have 79? The Yokohama AVID Envigor? IF so, they look much better than the Bridgestone RE92A.
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