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Old 05-25-2012, 06:05 PM   #101
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Contaminents yes but particles no. Synthetic oil does not suspend particles like dyno oil which is why it is critical to use quality oil filters. Also if the manufacturer states 7500 mile oil changes that means it's ok to go 7500 miles and anything earlier is just a waste of money.

I run synthetic in both my bikes and my Titan and change it at 5000 on the bikes and 7500 in the truck. My oil always comes out looking better than dyno oil after 3000 miles because it doesn't suspend the particles. In other words the particles and contaminents are what make your used oil look used. Note that the bikes use Amsoil and could go to 10000 but I change early because they both have wet clutches and it allows me to see what the clutches are doing without having to open the engines. I'm still a semi tree hugger because I reuse the oil in other power equipment.

now you have me curious and excited to change the oil on my subie. i'll be curious to see if the oil appears cleaner after a comparable number of miles.
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Old 05-25-2012, 06:24 PM   #102
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As a single point of reference, my oil at 3,000 miles looks like I just poured it in.
I like that.

Seems a little lower (still within the range holes) than it should be.
I'll keep an eye on that.
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Old 05-25-2012, 06:33 PM   #103
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My oil always comes out looking better than dyno oil after 3000 miles because it doesn't suspend the particles. In other words the particles and contaminents are what make your used oil look used.
I used synthetic in my last engine. Changed the oil and filter faithfully every 5000 miles. I can't remember a single change where my oil didn't come out as dark as chocolate syrup. I always considered changing the oil earlier, but I figured that 5000 miles with syn was ok no matter how the oil looked. I'm curious to see how dirty the oil looks when I do my first oil change in my Subie.
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Old 05-25-2012, 09:22 PM   #104
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In any case do what you want, I've already been told on NASOIC that using Amsoil in a new engine condemns me to hell. Whatever.
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Old 05-25-2012, 09:51 PM   #105
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did the outgoing Impreza and its 2.5 hold 5+ quarts????
My point, which I tried to clearly state in my post, was that the WIDTH and LENGTH of all of the pans should be nearly the same. THAT makes the dipsticks from all variants read the same.
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Old 05-25-2012, 10:25 PM   #106
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wasnt trying to insult you, but if its an ALL NEW engine and no one at the dealer could clearly answer for a good half hour, I don't think it's safe to assume a subaru tech at the dealer knows exactly how much oil is in there when my car is the only fb the guy has ever changed the oil on.
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Old 05-25-2012, 10:54 PM   #107
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Dood, stop tripping. They even say it's a severe duty engine. Meaning by design it probably will consume oil every 1000 miles
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Old 05-25-2012, 11:24 PM   #108
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Cars burning oil is not good. Most of my new cars rarely need topping off of oil. My old Stealth burned ALOT of oil when it's computer was acting up and it needed new seals...twice.

Our 2007 Subie doesn't burn hardly any oil. It always looks full... If SOA/Dealer are saying your car should burn all this oil I call total BS. Even during our break in...it never burned oil.

A car should not be babied like this.... It's a brand new car man...you should be worry free until 36k at LEAST.... We are at 76k and have no major problems. I think it needs an alignment and an oil change soon, that's about it.
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Old 05-26-2012, 11:38 AM   #109
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Dood, stop tripping. They even say it's a severe duty engine. Meaning by design it probably will consume oil every 1000 miles
Every dumb statement on this forum starts with DOOD.
On my way to the stealership now. Hoping that they give me some actual answers. At the very least the seat should be sqeak-free and if they tell me I have to pour oil in my engine everytime I gas up I'm gonna see what can be done to trade for an Audi A3 quattro...
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Old 05-26-2012, 12:45 PM   #110
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They never even called to tell me the seat is on backorder. Freakin HACKS. Soa shall receive yet another call. This is tedious and I never had such headaches from any other car purchase.
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Old 05-26-2012, 02:25 PM   #111
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They never even called to tell me the seat is on backorder. Freakin HACKS. Soa shall receive yet another call. This is tedious and I never had such headaches from any other car purchase.
Why didnt you call them to make sure they had it? Sorry man you gotta be proactive. Dont expect them to go out of their way. They have 1000's of customers not just you

On a lighter note the girl that works parts at the dealership i bought my car from has huge tits. Cant wait to go back.
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Old 05-26-2012, 02:51 PM   #112
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wasnt trying to insult you, but if its an ALL NEW engine and no one at the dealer could clearly answer for a good half hour, I don't think it's safe to assume a subaru tech at the dealer knows exactly how much oil is in there when my car is the only fb the guy has ever changed the oil on.
That's a good point. We're cool.
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Old 05-26-2012, 03:07 PM   #113
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Why didnt you call them to make sure they had it? Sorry man you gotta be proactive. Dont expect them to go out of their way. They have 1000's of customers not just you

On a lighter note the girl that works parts at the dealership i bought my car from has huge tits. Cant wait to go back.
First- my dealer doesn't have thousands of customers.
And I shouldn't have had to call- I had a service appointment and soa even called me yesterday to verify this. What happened today was a mind-blower. The dealer completely didn't do anything and I was there well within service hrs. I'm baffled. I have to wait till wednesday when my soa regioonal rep is back in her office. I'm going to possibly see about going the James Wilson route or something.
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Old 05-26-2012, 05:17 PM   #114
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First- my dealer doesn't have thousands of customers.
And I shouldn't have had to call- I had a service appointment and soa even called me yesterday to verify this. What happened today was a mind-blower. The dealer completely didn't do anything and I was there well within service hrs. I'm baffled. I have to wait till wednesday when my soa regioonal rep is back in her office. I'm going to possibly see about going the James Wilson route or something.

Ok now that the details have come out i would be pissed also.

Although im not sure i would Lemon Law your car because you have a squeeky seat. The oil issue is unproven.
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Old 05-28-2012, 02:10 PM   #115
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No test was done , they just changed my oil and rotated the tires. Tomorrow I've been told by Soa to call them and discuss what's going on with the dealer and the car.
So it has a fresh "160" filter, fresh 0w20, and I'm going to go take a good reading of dipstick after I run a few errands. I'll let it sit ten mins then check. I told them to put EXACTLY the 5.3 qts and I'm goimg to put a scribe mark where the true "full line" is.
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Old 05-29-2012, 01:48 AM   #116
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No test was done , they just changed my oil and rotated the tires. Tomorrow I've been told by Soa to call them and discuss what's going on with the dealer and the car.
So it has a fresh "160" filter, fresh 0w20, and I'm going to go take a good reading of dipstick after I run a few errands. I'll let it sit ten mins then check. I told them to put EXACTLY the 5.3 qts and I'm goimg to put a scribe mark where the true "full line" is.
Please report back where your full line is. Did they document and verify they put in exactly 5.3?
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Old 05-29-2012, 10:50 PM   #117
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is there a definitive answer to whats going on here? im experiencing the same problem, and it ****ing blows and im pissed, does anyone have any answers or what?
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Old 05-30-2012, 09:46 AM   #118
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After the dealer changed the oil the dipstick reads 3/8" over the full mark. The color is notably dark for being only 3 days old, but I don't judge oil by color. I think I'll fill it with an EXACT 5.3 quarts and watch it like a hawk.
Its too early to tell but I'm going to keep a good eye on mpg's, as my mileage SEEMS to be not as good as new but that could all be in my head.
McKinnon- there is no answer and good luck getting a straight and honest one from subaru both at the dealer and corporate level. They suck.
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Old 05-30-2012, 07:38 PM   #119
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After the dealer changed the oil the dipstick reads 3/8" over the full mark. The color is notably dark for being only 3 days old, but I don't judge oil by color. I think I'll fill it with an EXACT 5.3 quarts and watch it like a hawk.
Its too early to tell but I'm going to keep a good eye on mpg's, as my mileage SEEMS to be not as good as new but that could all be in my head.
McKinnon- there is no answer and good luck getting a straight and honest one from subaru both at the dealer and corporate level. They suck.
Yeah well im not gonna get too stressed about it, its nothing too bad, everything else with my car is fine, it pisses me off, but im seeing that only a few people are having problems with it so nothing will be done im sure, but im going to call and make a report or whatever they do just to log it as an issue and the more we all do that the better chance we have for an outcome. i was on a 500 mile ride through the mountains of PA and which is severe duty from what the book says about oil consumption and they said break in time causes more oil consumption, so idk i guess we'll see where it goes keep us updated
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Old 05-30-2012, 07:46 PM   #120
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After the dealer changed the oil the dipstick reads 3/8" over the full mark. The color is notably dark for being only 3 days old, but I don't judge oil by color. I think I'll fill it with an EXACT 5.3 quarts and watch it like a hawk.
Its too early to tell but I'm going to keep a good eye on mpg's, as my mileage SEEMS to be not as good as new but that could all be in my head.
McKinnon- there is no answer and good luck getting a straight and honest one from subaru both at the dealer and corporate level. They suck.
They probably put in 5.5 quarts (it is a lot easier to measure out that amount -- I know because that is what I put in mine).

If the dealer is servicing the car you will never know if they measured it or just dumped it in until it was over the top hole on the dipstick. Are you having them do it because it is free or because you don't want to do it (because I'm pretty sure you did the differentials, which is harder than an oil change).

For the record I have Amsoil OEM in it now (changed at 1200 miles) and there is no oil consumption that I can measure (but I did put in 5.5 quarts).
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Old 05-31-2012, 08:58 AM   #121
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FWIW, a few days ago, literally as my odometer turned to 3000 miles, my oil level light came on.

Pulled over and checked the dipstick and it was at the top line. Waited 10 minutes and checked again and it was slightly below the top fill line, nothing that I thought would cause the light to go on.

Either way, started driving again, and a couple minutes down the road, the light went off. It proceded to do this on/off sporadically for the next two days. Finally, I decided to add a little oil (was trying to just wait it out, I'll be changing the oil tomorrow, 3600 miles), Mobil-1 0w-20, and literally added maybe just over 1/4 of a quart to bring the level up to the top fill line (cold). After driving the car for 2 minutes after that, the light went off, and hasn't reappeared. Since that point I have driven to work and back a few times (65 miles round trip), and to Boston for the Radiohead concert the other night.

Still, no light Maybe Subaru made the sensor extra sensitive for this engine because it specifically cannot run low on oil? Who knows? Just for kicks and wriggles, I'll let you guys know where 5.3 quarts comes to on the dipstick, as that is how much I will be putting in.

Moral of the story: If your oil level light comes on, add some oil
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Old 05-31-2012, 11:40 AM   #122
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So there seems to be some people with the oil issue, and some without, so I have three questions for both.

1. What was the build date of your car?
2. How did you break in your engine?
3. Which type of transmission do you have?

I am a little worried that the CVT may cause the break-in to not properly seat the rings. No evidence, just conjecture due to it's more constant RPM tendency. The only way I can think of varying the RPMs for the first 800 miles or so is to drive pretty much in sport mode.
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Mines a stick. I only let the dealer service it because its free. I did put amsoil in the tranny and diff. Not really any more difficult than an oil change imo. Soa is getting their management involved (finally) expecting a call tomorrow. Next week when I can afford the $60 to do it I'm putting Amsoil OE oil in it and carefully measuring. I did change my oil at 1200 after the subaru-reccomended break-in. When I put in 5.3 quarts it was just a smidge over the full line on the dipstick.
My car, again, was built in October 2011. I'm fixing to put some good brake fluid in as they did a lackluster job bleeding my brakes after the M/C recall. May even look into some performance pads.
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Old 05-31-2012, 12:05 PM   #124
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So there seems to be some people with the oil issue, and some without, so I have three questions for both.

1. What was the build date of your car?
2. How did you break in your engine?
3. Which type of transmission do you have?

I am a little worried that the CVT may cause the break-in to not properly seat the rings. No evidence, just conjecture due to it's more constant RPM tendency. The only way I can think of varying the RPMs for the first 800 miles or so is to drive pretty much in sport mode.
In some ways the CVT seems to have less constant RPMs than a manual, as there is not a direct link between a specific gear-engine speed-wheel speed. You can step on the gas and see the revs go up before the car starts to pick up speed. So, you can vary the revs a bit while you're in traffic but can't speed the car significantly, just by pressing on the gas.

That said, I'm still in the break-in period (750 miles), and I've gone several break-in drives, using manual mode and the paddle shifters. The break-in involves repeated acceleration and deceleration.
1- Easy acceleration until the engine is thoroughly warmed up. Drive to some rural/country roads with little traffic and few stop lights/signs, where you can get away with varying your speed between 0 and 50mph without dealing with other cars.
2- Accelerate fairly aggressively, say 50%. I shift at 4K on the tach, going through the first three gears. When I get up to about 4K in third gear, let off the gas. Decelerate to about 40-42 mph, shift to 2nd gear. This is about 4K on the tach. Continue to decelerate until the tach is down to about 2K-2.5K in 2nd gear.
3- Repeat step 2, accelerating to 4K in 2nd and 3rd gear, then decelerating in both gears. Repeat until bored.
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So there seems to be some people with the oil issue, and some without, so I have three questions for both.

1. What was the build date of your car?
2. How did you break in your engine?
3. Which type of transmission do you have?
I only have 1700 miles, but I've been keeping an eye on the oil level and haven't noticed any change so far.

1. March 2012
2. Varied city highway driving, but mostly highway. Often went to 4K rpm when accelerating, but rarely over 4K. (You can vary the RPM on the CVT depending on how much throttle you give it)
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