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Old 09-24-2012, 07:59 AM   #1276
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Thanks to your pedantism, I let it cool for 20 full hours. Outside temp. at time of reading: 13C (or 55F)


Same thing, as you can see.
And is this your first pull out? or your 3rd? I take 3 pulls to get an accurate reading. But yours might be over filled.
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Old 09-24-2012, 09:41 AM   #1277
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So you go to the dealer, the tech overfills the crankcase, you point it out, and what do you think will happen next:

1) the tech says, oh, I made a mistake, that sucks, I have to fix it, I hope I can do it without my boss finding out

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2) B.S. cover his ass mode: Oh, I always add extra because they ALL burn oil...

It sounds like you don't understand human nature, if you instantly believe version #2, despite the lack of evidence (everytime you post that TONS of drivers are burning oil with Foresters, Impreza's, etc it is always heresay).

In my experience hearing b.s. from car shops is par for the course, that's why I do most of my own mechanical work now.

There were many Foresters that had issues, but they weren't FB engines and were built in 2010 (it was a misbored valve guide hole from the factory, recalled under a TSB, and the engines affected were rebuilt by Subaru under warranty), so don't confuse one issue for another.

On this forum, not that I am counting, I think there are 3-5 drivers who are saying their car might be consuming oil.

3-5 out of 45,000+ sold sounds like a normal rate of issues for any car manufacturer, and probably for any complicated consumer product.

It isn't enough to alarm Motortrend, or Consumer Reports. Not really class action material.

I hope Subaru fixes the issue, rebuilds your engines (that is what they did for the Foresters that had misbored engines, not new car replacements), whatever.

Keep pushing. Just don't believe everything a tech who screws up tells you, just because you want to believe it, you can and should be smarter than that.

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Old 09-24-2012, 10:02 AM   #1278
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And is this your first pull out? or your 3rd? I take 3 pulls to get an accurate reading. But yours might be over filled.
That was either the fourth or thrid reading. I took pictures of all of them except the first one which is always pointless.

FFS guys, I'm not overly impressed by the level of confidence given towards me.
Next time, I'll give you my full test protocol, including my rectal temperature at time of reading and position relative to alpha centauri.
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Old 09-24-2012, 10:07 AM   #1279
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That was either the fourth or thrid reading. I took pictures of all of them except the first one which is always pointless.

FFS guys, I'm not overly impressed by the level of confidence given towards me.
Next time, I'll give you my full test protocol, including my rectal temperature at time of reading and position relative to alpha centauri.
Im not overly impressed with some of the way people report their problems on here. If you look at the majority of the retards complaining about things you really cant blame me for asking.
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Old 09-24-2012, 10:07 AM   #1280
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OK, but as a member of this forum, you know better than to believe them.

I'm surprised that Mastro would tell you this.
Well, I feel that the man was being VERY genuine in his statement. He is, after all, the service manager.

They've been pretty honest, so I have to take what he and everyone else at subaru have told me at face value, as I'm experiencing the problems.
Not that ALL of the 12's have this going on, but enough that its not a surprise at all to the techs, and they seem pretty frustrated with soa as well.
At least Mastro isn't denying that there's consumption going on. They're pretty powerless to do anything about it though.
Come to think of it, there's never really been any denial that these cars are burning oil from anyone who works for subaru. Even when I call soa they say its FINE and NORMAL to "lose" a couple quarts per oc interval.
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Old 09-24-2012, 10:12 AM   #1281
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Well, I feel that the man was being VERY genuine in his statement. He is, after all, the service manager.

They've been pretty honest, so I have to take what he and everyone else at subaru have told me at face value, as I'm experiencing the problems.
Not that ALL of the 12's have this going on, but enough that its not a surprise at all to the techs, and they seem pretty frustrated with soa as well.
At least Mastro isn't denying that there's consumption going on. They're pretty powerless to do anything about it though.
Come to think of it, there's never really been any denial that these cars are burning oil from anyone who works for subaru. Even when I call soa they say its FINE and NORMAL to "lose" a couple quarts per oc interval.

Its funny i was at my dealership this weekend and i asked the Sales man what he is hearing about the 2.0i and if they would put their 6 cylinder version in the forrester and he says they have been doing great and they are debating on putting the 2.0i in the Forrester. I kind of nodded and walked away knowing full well that there was no way they would put a 2.0 in the forrester.

People that work at these places have no idea no matter how good the dealership is.
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Old 09-24-2012, 10:16 AM   #1282
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That was either the fourth or thrid reading. I took pictures of all of them except the first one which is always pointless.

FFS guys, I'm not overly impressed by the level of confidence given towards me.
Next time, I'll give you my full test protocol, including my rectal temperature at time of reading and position relative to alpha centauri.
Don't worry about him/her... Doesn't even know where the tailpipe exits the rear.
That one's just here to annoy and try to discredit anyone with a problem. A real ikia (I know it all) who really doesn't have anything to add to the conversation.
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Old 09-24-2012, 10:23 AM   #1283
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I kind of nodded and walked away knowing full well that there was no way they would put a 2.0 in the forrester.
Please forgive my ignorance, which is why I'll take this bait:

Why is there no way that Subaru would put the 2.0L engine in the Forester?
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Old 09-24-2012, 10:40 AM   #1284
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Please forgive my ignorance, which is why I'll take this bait:

Why is there no way that Subaru would put the 2.0L engine in the Forester?
Power to Weight ratio. Unless you Turbo the 2.0 its not a viable option.
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Old 09-24-2012, 10:41 AM   #1285
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Don't worry about him/her... Doesn't even know where the tailpipe exits the rear.
That one's just here to annoy and try to discredit anyone with a problem. A real ikia (I know it all) who really doesn't have anything to add to the conversation.
If you consider complaining in every post about 1 problem 50 times, adding to the conversation then i got nothing for you. But thanks for reading my post Charlie.
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Old 09-24-2012, 10:42 AM   #1286
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I was going to try an answer like that, as the 2.0 can barely move the smaller impreza; not sure what it would do on a Forester, let alone when it's full of gear and kids
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Old 09-24-2012, 10:43 AM   #1287
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I was going to try an answer like that, as the 2.0 can barely move the smaller impreza; not sure what it would do on a Forester, let alone when it's full of gear and kids
The forrester would be my next vehicle if they put a bigger engine than a 2.5L in it. I would need to have something that could tow more than 3k lbs
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Old 09-24-2012, 10:48 AM   #1288
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What must really suck is the lifted, heavier XV with the 2.0, if it were me, I'd have put the 2.5 from the forester in that car.
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Old 09-24-2012, 10:49 AM   #1289
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Power to Weight ratio. Unless you Turbo the 2.0 its not a viable option.
Maybe that is an implied "truth" in the US Domestic market; however, doubt that it would be the case world wide. Drove heavier cars with smaller engine in Europe many years ago - some had less than 80HP and still did reasonably well while providing for decent MPG. 0-60 was a bit long, though.
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What also would suck- buying an 11' forester and having oil consumption issues. For one extra mpg. That's all they gained by switching to the fb ion the forester. One measly mpg. Not even highway mpg's changed. You get one extra mpg in the city. Hardly worth an oil burner!
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Old 09-24-2012, 10:59 AM   #1291
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Power to Weight ratio. Unless you Turbo the 2.0 its not a viable option.
I predict that turbo will be added to the 2.0 engine, and will then be made available in the upscale versions of the Forester, BRZ, and maybe others.
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Old 09-24-2012, 11:02 AM   #1292
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So you go to the dealer, the tech overfills the crankcase, you point it out, and what do you think will happen next:

1) the tech says, oh, I made a mistake, that sucks, I have to fix it, I hope I can do it without my boss finding out

or

2) B.S. cover his ass mode: Oh, I always add extra because they ALL burn oil...

It sounds like you don't understand human nature, if you instantly believe version #2, despite the lack of evidence (everytime you post that TONS of drivers are burning oil with Foresters, Impreza's, etc it is always heresay).

In my experience hearing b.s. from car shops is par for the course, that's why I do most of my own mechanical work now.

There were many Foresters that had issues, but they weren't FB engines and were built in 2010 (it was a misbored valve guide hole from the factory, recalled under a TSB, and the engines affected were rebuilt by Subaru under warranty), so don't confuse one issue for another.

On this forum, not that I am counting, I think there are 3-5 drivers who are saying their car might be consuming oil.

3-5 out of 45,000+ sold sounds like a normal rate of issues for any car manufacturer, and probably for any complicated consumer product.

It isn't enough to alarm Motortrend, or Consumer Reports. Not really class action material.

I hope Subaru fixes the issue, rebuilds your engines (that is what they did for the Foresters that had misbored engines, not new car replacements), whatever.

Keep pushing. Just don't believe everything a tech who screws up tells you, just because you want to believe it, you can and should be smarter than that.
Right. Well it isn't just one tech. Three techs, three service managers. One General Manager, and six SOA reps all say the same things.
Glad to see that you and I are able to exchange ideas still, Zeeper.
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Old 09-24-2012, 11:08 AM   #1293
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Its funny i was at my dealership this weekend and i asked the Sales man what he is hearing about the 2.0i and if they would put their 6 cylinder version in the forrester and he says they have been doing great and they are debating on putting the 2.0i in the Forrester. I kind of nodded and walked away knowing full well that there was no way they would put a 2.0 in the forrester.

People that work at these places have no idea no matter how good the dealership is.
I hope you are just strictly talking about the U.S. market. Everywhere else on the other hand, does have a 2L forester. 2L diesel, 2L gasoline, and 2.5 Turbo gas. http://www.subaru-global.com/12forester_lineup.html
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Old 09-24-2012, 11:11 AM   #1294
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You didn't really get the facts straight in your assessment though. The tech came into the lobby, told me all about how the "new ones just burn oil" and that he put 6 quarts in.
I asked the service mgr to come outside and let's check the dipstick. It was more than an inch above "full".
The tech drained a bit out, and while he did, the service mgr told me (again in front of a waiting room of customers) that they were having nightmares with the new engines and oil consumption.
Being that I've been fighting hard for my car and my rights as a consumer, and that 90% of my posts are about this issue, I find the "official" explanation very relevant.
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Old 09-24-2012, 11:23 AM   #1295
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I hope you are just strictly talking about the U.S. market. Everywhere else on the other hand, does have a 2L forester. 2L diesel, 2L gasoline, and 2.5 Turbo gas. http://www.subaru-global.com/12forester_lineup.html
saw 2 models of Normally Aspirated 2.0I in there. Not very useful as a towing vehicle. Much rather have a 2.0 Turbo Diesel
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I'll never try to take the "sensible" route again. I wish I'd taken a deal on a leftover wrx, then I could be worried about replacing worn-out tires instead of watching my dipstick every gas-up. If it requires racecar-level maintenance, it may as well go fast.
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saw 2 models of Normally Aspirated 2.0I in there. Not very useful as a towing vehicle. Much rather have a 2.0 Turbo Diesel
I'd love it if Subaru brought their diesel engine to the US market. I'm confident it would be more reliable than VW's common-rail TDI engine they put in the MK6 Golf/Jetta/Jetta Sportwagen TDIs (2009+ model years).

Besides, how cool would it be to lay down that much torque through Subaru's symmetrical AWD system?

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I'd love it if Subaru brought their diesel engine to the US market. I'm confident it would be more reliable than VW's common-rail TDI engine they put in the MK6 Golf/Jetta/Jetta Sportwagen TDIs (2009+ model years).

Besides, how cool would it be to lay down that much torque through Subaru's symmetrical AWD system?

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Old 09-24-2012, 12:38 PM   #1299
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That diesel would go great in the XV. But if we're going to be talking "wish they sold this car" then I say drop two doors off the Impreza, shortening it a tad and shedding some weight, and power it with either the 2.5 from the forester or the fa20 from the BRZ/FR-S. That would be a great "new RS" model. Had that or anything like it been available I'd have likely chosen that. A 6mt too, of course.
That car would be a LOT of fun and still very practical, and if you got a "good one", you'd have a good all-arounder.
I hate not having a two-door model. I don't really need the back doors, and have had rear passengers less than ten times since I've had it.
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That diesel would go great in the XV. But if we're going to be talking "wish they sold this car" then I say drop two doors off the Impreza, shortening it a tad and shedding some weight, and power it with either the 2.5 from the forester or the fa20 from the BRZ/FR-S. That would be a great "new RS" model. Had that or anything like it been available I'd have likely chosen that. A 6mt too, of course.
That car would be a LOT of fun and still very practical, and if you got a "good one", you'd have a good all-arounder.
I hate not having a two-door model. I don't really need the back doors, and have had rear passengers less than ten times since I've had it.
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