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Old 09-27-2012, 02:33 PM   #1401
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And yes, Zeeper is correct. I added Auskip to the ignore list.
He went out of his way to say what an idiot I was for not knowing that the exhaust exits on the DRIVERS SIDE of the car!!! Lmao
I've actually found him to be one of the ultimate Trolls of all time.
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Old 09-27-2012, 02:34 PM   #1402
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About the guessing how many are oil burners. Are we going to include the folks who don't mind topping off a quart between changes??
Seems like almost everyones burn a LITTLE, but almost everyone seems to find subarus lame explanations of it acceptable. I know there have been a bunch of posts like "mine lost a half quart, but it doesn't bother me". Some even more consumption, and most seem to not care. So are we guessing at numbers for consumption (say half a quart or more) or for GROSS consumption?
Some oil consumption is normal, and no manufacturer will claim no oil consumption is expected, even in a new car.

A smoky rear end on the car from burning oil is not normal (unless you are driving a high mileage car from the 1970-1980's, and usually American made, though all cars start burning oil eventually...)

You read what I wrote about Consumer Reports, right? They are not beholden to Subaru, and last I checked the car was recommended, I think it was also a Car of the Year from them, with no mention of concern about rampant oil consumption.

I haven't seen their long term test report yet, but I am sure they either released it or it is coming soon.
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Old 09-27-2012, 02:59 PM   #1403
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I've never put much stock into what CR says. They praise cars that I wouldn't drive if they were free.
I can't remember what site it was, but it was one of the ones that rates and "suggests" new cars. Their top pick was the Impreza, but on a five-star scale for rating, it only got two and a half stars for reliability. It didn't say where that data was from, but I found it odd that they had cars rated more reliable that didn't "win". Personally, I bought the sube for reliability and ruggedness. That's why I'm so let down.
I'm gonna search for that review so I can provide a link (hopefully).
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Old 09-27-2012, 03:09 PM   #1404
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Its the individual build.
Perhaps, when he was posting the question on the Forums like here there were a lot of people that would say they had no major issue stating normal usage between 150/250mls / 600 miles, then quite a few slightly unhappy reporting 450 to 500mls / 1000miles and a couple like him that stated 1litre + / 1000miles and like 79letour they reported dissatisfaction with the way their dealer was handling them. ie Happy to take your money during purchase and normal Servicing but not your problems under Warranty.
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Old 09-27-2012, 04:03 PM   #1405
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I've never put much stock into what CR says. They praise cars that I wouldn't drive if they were free.
I can't remember what site it was, but it was one of the ones that rates and "suggests" new cars. Their top pick was the Impreza, but on a five-star scale for rating, it only got two and a half stars for reliability. It didn't say where that data was from, but I found it odd that they had cars rated more reliable that didn't "win". Personally, I bought the sube for reliability and ruggedness. That's why I'm so let down.
I'm gonna search for that review so I can provide a link (hopefully).
Sorry, I trust CR much more than some unnammed site that does not share their data with you.

CR is independent and scientific.

They have enough money to buy their test Impreza, so they are not beholden to Subaru for a long term loaner.

They put it through its paces on their test track and keep track of everything from fuel economy to any required servicing. And, unlike many cars they only test once, I am pretty sure they are doing a long-term test with the new Impreza (their staffers drive the piss out of it over many months and they keep track of how it performs.)

All in all, they are a much better source of information about the car, to someone who wants to know more about it, than you or I are.

That's science for you!

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Old 09-27-2012, 04:10 PM   #1406
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It was US News. Not that I REALLY care about them any more than CR. It also has a link to how they arrive at their reliability data. I was wrong about the "stars" rating. They're just little blue bubbles. The Impreza got 2 and a half blue bubbles. The Honda fit looks to be their pick for reliability. It got five of fiove for reliability. Kinda sucks, the Fit was a car I was considering when I bought this turd.
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Old 09-27-2012, 04:11 PM   #1407
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Old 09-27-2012, 04:19 PM   #1408
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I've never put much stock into what CR says. They praise cars that I wouldn't drive if they were free.
I can't remember what site it was, but it was one of the ones that rates and "suggests" new cars. Their top pick was the Impreza, but on a five-star scale for rating, it only got two and a half stars for reliability. It didn't say where that data was from, but I found it odd that they had cars rated more reliable that didn't "win". Personally, I bought the sube for reliability and ruggedness. That's why I'm so let down.
I'm gonna search for that review so I can provide a link (hopefully).
In the mid-80s, CR gave a best buy to a certain brand of computer, causing a huge demand for this brand. The computer store I worked at eventually caved and started selling this brand.

Hardware failures were common 3-8 months after purchase: motherboards, power supplies, etc. We literally couldn't get repair parts fast enough, so we cannibalized new machines. We had stacks of new computers missing parts taking up one wall of a room.

While I'm pleased that my Impreza has the seal of approval from CR, I wouldn't use them as the sole source of information for making a buying decision for anything. I might take note of an especially bad review, but I wouldn't buy based on a good review.
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Old 09-27-2012, 04:45 PM   #1409
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Well, I'm officially done with this thread. It's only about 1/3 intelligent conversation and information and about 2/3 bickering, instigating and name calling.

It's obvious that zeeper and auskip, with their arrogant, know-it-all attitudes aren't going to leave this thread alone.

Anyway, have fun continuing to belittle each other. I'm out.
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Old 09-27-2012, 04:57 PM   #1410
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I already don't miss you.

CR is more credible than US news and world report.

Their computer ratings? I don't know, any electronics tend to be unreliable. Cars have electronics, but CR is also looking at the engines, how it drives and handles, etc.

I don't think they do long term test drives on computer hardware.

By the way I didn't use them as a source of information for my car, I pre-ordered one before the reviews came out. What they eventually said just confirmed my choice.

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Old 09-27-2012, 05:55 PM   #1411
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I ordered mine and waited... Cause, ya know- "love" is worth waiting for
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Old 09-27-2012, 07:55 PM   #1412
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This is what US News says about how they determine their blue Reliability bubble scores:

"The reliability score contributing to the U.S. News rankings is the Predicted Reliability rating provided by J.D. Power and Associates. This score is based on the past three years of historical initial quality and dependability data from J.D. Power's automotive studies, specifically the Vehicle Dependability Study (VDS) and the Initial Quality Study (IQS)."

Consumer Reports, on the other hand, determines its reliability scores from reliability survey data from actual car owners.
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Old 09-29-2012, 01:51 PM   #1413
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I know this is the oil consumption thread, but since there's another recurring topic here, you can add me to the squeaky seat list.
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Old 09-29-2012, 03:04 PM   #1414
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Sorry to hear about that.
Does yours have a "popping" feeling in the upper seatback area?
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Old 09-29-2012, 03:13 PM   #1415
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Strange that the older models didnt have squeaky seats and now they do.....the economy hurts every tiny little thing it seems.

I forgot to mention my CD player half-way took a dump awhile ago. It doesn't like to suck or eject the disc properly. So when I stick a CD in I have to basically force it in until it clicks. To get it out is ALMOST impossible but you can with some thin tools. The last time it almost didn't come out so I have not used the CD player in months.
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Old 09-29-2012, 03:17 PM   #1416
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Other than the obvious compolaint of oil consumption, my seat is my second biggest gripe. I'm by no means a fat or large person. I'm 5'10 and around 185lbs. The very bottom of the seatback has a metal cross-bar that digs into my upper assular region on long trips. And the back of the seat pops in a sort of spring-like way behind my shoulders. Only the drivers seat.
If I had faith in the car, and had at all a positive owning experience, I'd take it to a good mom and pop upholstry shop and get some serious re-doing of the padding and all.
That's one thing that REALLY sucks about these new cars with all the sensors and airbags in the seats, you can't just buy a pair of Recaros and swap. I much prefer the firmer padding the Outbacks I've driven, I would definitely be interested in swapping some of those, if they would at all be compatible.
But I don't think it would be a good idea as far as safety and liability. That's why I think letting subaru fix the seats is the best way to go.
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Old 09-29-2012, 05:01 PM   #1417
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Strange that the older models didnt have squeaky seats and now they do.....the economy hurts every tiny little thing it seems.

I forgot to mention my CD player half-way took a dump awhile ago. It doesn't like to suck or eject the disc properly. So when I stick a CD in I have to basically force it in until it clicks. To get it out is ALMOST impossible but you can with some thin tools. The last time it almost didn't come out so I have not used the CD player in months.
Seems to me that should be warrante-able
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Old 09-29-2012, 10:31 PM   #1418
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Other than the obvious compolaint of oil consumption, my seat is my second biggest gripe. I'm by no means a fat or large person. I'm 5'10 and around 185lbs. The very bottom of the seatback has a metal cross-bar that digs into my upper assular region on long trips. And the back of the seat pops in a sort of spring-like way behind my shoulders. Only the drivers seat.
If I had faith in the car, and had at all a positive owning experience, I'd take it to a good mom and pop upholstry shop and get some serious re-doing of the padding and all.
That's one thing that REALLY sucks about these new cars with all the sensors and airbags in the seats, you can't just buy a pair of Recaros and swap. I much prefer the firmer padding the Outbacks I've driven, I would definitely be interested in swapping some of those, if they would at all be compatible.
But I don't think it would be a good idea as far as safety and liability. That's why I think letting subaru fix the seats is the best way to go.
Didn't you have the seat fixed by your dealer? I thought they ordered the parts months ago?
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Old 09-30-2012, 12:44 AM   #1419
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Yeah they fixed the squeak. The pop never went away. The tech said it just gonna do that.
I think the seats are pretty uncomfortable. After 14,000 +/- mles, I'm really not liking them too much.
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Sorry to hear about that.
Does yours have a "popping" feeling in the upper seatback area?
Not yet. I noticed the squeak when getting out of the car. Then I drove with no music on & noticed it on any bump. If I just push back in the seat the upper area squeaks away. With music on I really didn't notice it, but now it's all I can hear. Will be calling the dealership Monday. I'm confident they'll take care of me. Always have. But no pop. No discomfort. The seat is comfortable, just squeaky.
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Old 10-02-2012, 08:26 AM   #1421
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It rained heavily, and just as before- my seat started to squeak again. Even with rubber strips under the hooks! Its different this time. Its accompanied by a "pop" like a lazy-boy with a busted spring.

Back to my oil-
I don't know if its because there's a LOT of oil or because the oil MAY be something other than Idemitsu 0w20, but my blue "engine cold" light isa staying on at least twice as long as it used to.
Since the dealer route is just a series of over-fills, I'm gonna do my own from now on I think.
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Old 10-02-2012, 08:42 AM   #1422
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My blue light is staying on longer too, but that's only because my morning outdoor temps have been lower than they were last month.
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Old 10-02-2012, 08:52 AM   #1423
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Well its hot as balls here, and my "cold" light is even staying on at lunch and after work. It didn't do this before. At least not to the point that it stayed on long enough to get my attention.
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Fall and Winter occur; even in "good old dixie". Ambient temperature has a direct correlation to the length of time that the blue light "cold" stays on. You might also notice a slight (or more) decrease in the MPG that the car will attain in the fall and winter months - some from the temperature drops and some from the fuel formulation changes. Now if you rev-it-up to 135 mph early, that blue light will extinguish "pronto".
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if it is overfilled it will take longer to reach operating temperature.

I think I recommended you do your own oil change about 8 months ago, to add the correct amount of oil (measured yourself) so you know if the burned oil was just from being overfilled the first time.

Just do it. You obviously have the technical ability to change your own oil, see what happens after you do a correct oil change before assuming the worst case scenario.
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