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Old 06-04-2012, 01:10 AM   #126
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At 3400 miles on the OD, the oil level light lit up (again, the first time was around 1600; shortly after which I had the oil changed.) so right now it looks like every 1500 miles I am a quart low...
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Old 06-04-2012, 01:49 AM   #127
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So there seems to be some people with the oil issue, and some without, so I have three questions for both.

1. What was the build date of your car?
2. How did you break in your engine?
3. Which type of transmission do you have?

I am a little worried that the CVT may cause the break-in to not properly seat the rings. No evidence, just conjecture due to it's more constant RPM tendency. The only way I can think of varying the RPMs for the first 800 miles or so is to drive pretty much in sport mode.
I have a 5-speed manual with a build date of 02/12. I honestly didn't know much about breaking in engines so I mostly drove it very easy and didn't rev above 3000 rpms for the first 1500 or so miles. After reading a bit more about seating the rings, I have been occasionally reving to 5000 rpms and not driving it like a little old lady. I've seen my MPG's steadily drop over my last 4 fill-ups, but not by much.

So far, at exactly 2661 miles, my oil level is down a bit. It's almost exactly between the min and max holes on the dipstick. I'm not really concerned at the moment because of the break-in period consuming more oil than normal. No oil light yet and hopefully will never see it. I plan to do my first oil change at 3000 miles with Amsoil OE and run it for 5000 miles checking the level every 1000 miles or so. Guess we'll see what happens and hope for the best.

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Old 06-05-2012, 12:46 PM   #128
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mine came on.. .sitting at 5k miles right now. oil change was done by the dealership at 3k. havne't checked my level yet, gonna take it into the dealership as I'm hearing a lot of noise from what seems to be my suspension esp when i'm going slow or going in reverse. clunking noises..

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Old 06-06-2012, 12:06 AM   #129
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kinda making me wonder if the sensor is way to sensitive, my motorcycle was indicating low (level sensor only) because I didn't fill it up completely, as I am trying to figure out the perfect amount (so it doesn't spit out the extra out of the breather tube). anyway, it was only 8oz. low and my light came on.
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Old 06-06-2012, 09:50 AM   #130
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I don't think its quite the same as bikes.
They have a lot less oil to begin with and a completely different lubrication system. If the folks on here are correct, and the oil indicator comes on at 4 quarts that's not a sensitive sensor.
I'm waiting on a call from soa still. My rep is on vacation (must be nice). They have expressed some concearn about my car finally. They're supposed to be scheduling a consumption analysis for real this time. We'll see, I'll let yall know what they say.
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Old 06-06-2012, 11:00 PM   #131
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my bike takes 3.3qts in a 1100cc engine, my old car took 4.5qts in a 3800cc engine, so comparatively my bike takes a lot more oil. but I understand your point. I'm hoping they figure it out to maybe some bad sensors. My car only has 560miles on it so far, and doesn't get driven a lot, but I'm hoping it doesn't come up.
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Old 06-07-2012, 09:24 PM   #132
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Oil light just came on at 2927 miles. Not very happy about this, but I guess it was bound to happen sooner or later. Good thing I was already planning to change my oil tomorrow. Guess ill have to check the level more often and keep a extra quart of oil with me.
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Old 06-08-2012, 09:14 AM   #133
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my bike takes 3.3qts in a 1100cc engine, my old car took 4.5qts in a 3800cc engine, so comparatively my bike takes a lot more oil. but I understand your point. I'm hoping they figure it out to maybe some bad sensors. My car only has 560miles on it so far, and doesn't get driven a lot, but I'm hoping it doesn't come up.
I am assuming you had a wet clutch. This means more of the bike uses oil, thus a larger amount of oil vs engine size.
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Old 06-08-2012, 09:58 AM   #134
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Oil light just came on at 2927 miles. Not very happy about this, but I guess it was bound to happen sooner or later. Good thing I was already planning to change my oil tomorrow. Guess ill have to check the level more often and keep a extra quart of oil with me.
Did you add oil? If so how much?
After you drain your oil would you pleeeease measure how much comes out?

I don't think a $20,000 brand new car should need oil top-offs and such. Do any of you 2.5 owners have to carry around extra bottles of oil?
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Old 06-08-2012, 12:19 PM   #135
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Did you add oil? If so how much?
After you drain your oil would you pleeeease measure how much comes out?

I don't think a $20,000 brand new car should need oil top-offs and such. Do any of you 2.5 owners have to carry around extra bottles of oil?
while i know i can be picky about rattles, i agree with this. no way a $20k car should need oil top offs for anything less than 5-6k miles.

so far so good here, but i only have 2200 on the dial.

79letour: have you done your own test (drained your pan and put your own 5.3 qts in) yet?

it would be great if we start documenting together what our dipsticks look like for different fill levels (better done by DYIers since i don't think we can trust the dealer to give us an accurate number on what is put in)

i'll be doing mine in a couple of weeks. i'll do either 5 or 5.5qts. (will probably do the former and see where that hits on the dipstick)*


* i'm not being cheap, but lazy -- oil comes in nice 5 qt containers. if it really needs 5.3, then i will probably buy myself a 1 qt container of Ow20...split that among 2-3 changes (0.33 or 0.5 qts) and then if i want to be cheap, refill that container so it can be a nice measuring cup of sorts for other changes...
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Old 06-08-2012, 12:54 PM   #136
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Oiling systems on motorcycles aren't that much different from cars. The splash sytems used in some small cc bikes in the past have all been changed to oil pumps. Many bikes are actually harder on oil because they use shared oil in the engine, transmission (wet clutch) and primary.

Flyboy,
If you're on an 1100 V-Star the oil tends to foam at high RPM so running a few ounces low is the only way to keep oil from going throug the breather. The downside is that your oil light will come on if you're going up a steep incline.
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Old 06-08-2012, 04:54 PM   #137
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Did you add oil? If so how much?
After you drain your oil would you pleeeease measure how much comes out?

I don't think a $20,000 brand new car should need oil top-offs and such. Do any of you 2.5 owners have to carry around extra bottles of oil?
Something is amiss. I checked the oil level last night after the light came on and it was just a smidge below the center point of the max and min holes on the dipstick. According to the manual, the difference in the two holes is 1.1 quarts. Assuming that the top "max" hole shows exactly 5.3 quarts of oil, then I should of only been low approx a half quart... Not so much. After draining the oil today and taking into account the approx .2 quarts left in the oil filter, the engine was down a little over a quart. I have yet to check the oil level after changing the oil (waiting for it to settle), but I can only assume that it's going to be well over the "max" hole after adding 5.4ish quarts of oil. My guess is that Subaru f-ed up on the placement of the max and min holes on the dipstick. Unless the top hole means low oil level and the bottom hole means REALLY low oil.

Edit: Just checked the oil level and it's about a half inch over the "max" hole.

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Old 06-08-2012, 05:41 PM   #138
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Edit: Just checked the oil level and it's about a half inch over the "max" hole.



So you are telling me that when 79 told them to take oil out of his car that he had the correct amount in the first place?
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Old 06-08-2012, 08:26 PM   #139
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The filters don't have very much oil in them when the car isn't running, they're mounted upright. When you take off the filter, there's no oil gushing out, just a bit of it soaked into the element of the filter. So your car was WELL under a quart low. Mines 3/8-1/2" over the top hole on the dipstick after the dealer did the oil. I was gonna drain mine, measure what the dealer put in, pour in exactly 5.3 quarts of Amsoil and see what the dipstick reads after a trip across town and ten mins to cool. I'll scribe the dipstick where the true "full line" is.
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But before I do, I'm waiting to hear back from SOA.
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Old 06-08-2012, 08:55 PM   #141
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The filters don't have very much oil in them when the car isn't running, they're mounted upright. When you take off the filter, there's no oil gushing out, just a bit of it soaked into the element of the filter. So your car was WELL under a quart low. Mines 3/8-1/2" over the top hole on the dipstick after the dealer did the oil. I was gonna drain mine, measure what the dealer put in, pour in exactly 5.3 quarts of Amsoil and see what the dipstick reads after a trip across town and ten mins to cool. I'll scribe the dipstick where the true "full line" is.
The reason I thought the filter holds approximately .2 quarts is because the repair manual states that if you're only changing the oil and not the filter, only fill with 5.1 quarts.
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Old 06-09-2012, 10:16 AM   #142
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Possibly the filter element could retain .2 quarts...
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Old 06-09-2012, 06:23 PM   #143
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Oiling systems on motorcycles aren't that much different from cars. The splash sytems used in some small cc bikes in the past have all been changed to oil pumps. Many bikes are actually harder on oil because they use shared oil in the engine, transmission (wet clutch) and primary.

Flyboy,
If you're on an 1100 V-Star the oil tends to foam at high RPM so running a few ounces low is the only way to keep oil from going throug the breather. The downside is that your oil light will come on if you're going up a steep incline.
Correct. The breather spitting out oil is the only think that annoys me about it. Current running 3.3qts with a filter relocation kit, still spits a little but much more tolerable.

Anyway, back to original subject, when i get home tomorrow i will check my oil and see whet I'm at now that i have about 630 miles on the car, at 300 it was still over the full mark
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I heard today that there is a new TSB out regarding the 12 Impreza. It did not specifically address the oil light issue, but had something to do with the dipstick and the sensor or something. Maybe someone who has acces to the TSBs can research this.
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Had my oil changed a week ago. It reads to the top dot maybe 1/8- 1/4" above. I will be monitoring it every week at the same time. Although now that i mention it im not sure it was on flat ground. ill get a measurement from the same parking spot and check each week.
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Old 06-14-2012, 07:39 PM   #146
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I heard today that there is a new TSB out regarding the 12 Impreza. It did not specifically address the oil light issue, but had something to do with the dipstick and the sensor or something. Maybe someone who has acces to the TSBs can research this.
do you mean this one:

Service Bulletin # 02-127-12
Pages: 2

Bulletin Description: The purpose of this bulletin is to inform you of a change made to the oil level gauge and guide. On a rare occasion, there is a possibility that the oil level gauge could get damaged if too much force is applied when installing or removing it. As a result, the diameter of the oil level gauge was increased along with the inside diameter of the oil level guide (dip stick tube).

Information contained in any technical document found on the STIS web site should only be used as reference material for highly trained automotive technicians. Only automotive technicians have the training and the special tools/equipment to repair Subaru vehicles.



this description has been around for a while...not sure what it means. it seems to me that there are a few issues/questions:

1. are a few or many of the impreza 2.0i's consuming oil?
2. are there a few sensor issues for the oil?
3. is the oil dipstick calibration off: ie, the top hole is not 5.3qts/full and the lower hole is not 4.3 qts.

anyone out there confirm what their car does when they put in 5.3 qts of oil?

i'll report back in a week or so...
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I'm currently 250 miles into a consumption test. I'll be close to 1200 miles by the end of next week. I'll know how much, if any, oil I'm burning then.
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Old 06-15-2012, 07:58 AM   #148
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I'm still waiting to hear from Soa. They keep blowin smoke upo my butt and promising to fix my seat and do an oil consumption test.
Spoke with Chris yesterday. They keep saying they'll call me...
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Oooops

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Old 06-15-2012, 10:25 PM   #150
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Well. I finally just picked up the phone and called soa, and wow- what a shock!
The dealer told them that they no longer will work on my car because I gave them a poor score on my customer satisfaction survey. Soa said that's the dealers right. Soa told me the dealer said they'd called me to inform me I was not welcome at their dealership anymore! That was a lie, no one had the balls to call me and say that, I think I'd remember. So- I have no replacement parts, nearest dealer is an hour and a half away. Been trying to get this car right since january. No end in sight, and now its looking like I'm gonna be burning excessive amounts of oil.


Damn me for not buying the A3.
Bill Bryan Subaru- congrats on being the sleaziest, crookedest, most pathetic excuse for a business. I'm sure the poor economy will weed out sorry a$$ dealers like you.
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