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Old 10-22-2012, 08:46 AM   #1601
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I've been accused of redundancy, but since you ask-
I drove it fairly genly and basically followed the manual. I've broken in several new engines so I reved it to 4-4500 rpm and engine braked a good amount.
I drive it like all the other commuters and traffic. No speeding tickets. Ever.
I have driven it FAST on occasion. On a weekend drive to the springs, its hard to resist a freshly graded dirt road.
I don't "race" other cars, even though every beat up civic sure wants to!
I did my first oil change early, and didn't have any consumption issues AT ALL till the dealer (Bill Bryan) overfilled it. My first oil light came on at around 6k iirc.
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Old 10-22-2012, 10:33 AM   #1602
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I know I said I was done with this thread, but I wanted to mention that I finally got my dealership to agree to a consumption test seeing as I am officially down 1 quart of oil in 1200 miles!

My oil light would almost always come on every 1200 miles and my oil level would be approx a half quart low. Today I just past 1200 miles since my last oil change and decided to check the oil even though the light hadn't come on yet. I was hoping that the light didn't come on because the level hadn't dropped much, but to my surprise, it has dropped down to the low hole on the dipstick.

Bringing the car to the dealership this Thurs and they are going to top off the oil and start recording the consumption rate.

Edit: just after posting this I drove down the road a couple miles and my oil light finally came on.

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Old 10-22-2012, 10:57 AM   #1603
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Cool. That's awesome news!
If mine still consumes any after MY test, then I'm off to find another (my third) dealer to try and have a REAL consumption test done.
My last one had 6++ quarts of mystery oil.
It sucks that your car burns oil, but odd as it sounds, LUCKY YOU! It sounds like yours may burn enough for soa to care finally!!!
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Old 10-22-2012, 11:00 AM   #1604
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If nothing else maybe I pissed off SOA enough that they'll fix all the other oil burning cars!
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Old 10-22-2012, 11:32 AM   #1605
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As dissapointed I am about this situation and as sad as it is that it takes burning this much oil to get any attention from the dealership, I still have a small glimmer of hope something good will come from this.

Let me tell you that the service guy that I spoke with sounded less than thrilled about having to set up this consumption test. Also, from his tone and many questions he asked me about using AMSoil, it sounded like he was just about to call out AMSoil as the culprit for my oil consumption issues. Hopefully they don't give me any grief about that when I go there.
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Old 10-22-2012, 11:44 AM   #1606
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As dissapointed I am about this situation and as sad as it is that it takes burning this much oil to get any attention from the dealership, I still have a small glimmer of hope something good will come from this.

Let me tell you that the service guy that I spoke with sounded less than thrilled about having to set up this consumption test. Also, from his tone and many questions he asked me about using AMSoil, it sounded like he was just about to call out AMSoil as the culprit for my oil consumption issues. Hopefully they don't give me any grief about that when I go there.
if you used either OE or XL, legally they can't fault the oil because it has been tested to the exact same standards
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Old 10-22-2012, 11:45 AM   #1607
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To those of you having these tests done, I suggest you never take your eyes off the car for as long as the dealership has access to it. Exactly 5.3 qts should go in, and after X miles, the drained amount should be measured. Dipstick readings are nearly worthless.

I doubt the dealership really believed the car took 6+ quarts.
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Old 10-22-2012, 11:56 AM   #1608
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Well, all I can tell you is that the service manager had to get involved because the tech and the service counter both INSISTED that the car holds SIX quarts. The tech also said my dipstick read "just a tick over the full mark". Which I knew was bs because 5.3 qt puts it 1/4" over. So the sevice manager looked it up (the spec, cause he didn't know either) and then he said "wow I'm going to have to really have a talk with the service staff". My dipstick reading was an inch+ over "full".
When I drained it friday, I got 6.25 quarts out of it. And that's after it burned around a half quart +/-.
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Old 10-22-2012, 12:01 PM   #1609
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Well, all I can tell you is that the service manager had to get involved because the tech and the service counter both INSISTED that the car holds SIX quarts.
A quick look through the owner's manual puts that argument to rest. At that point, I'd lose all confidence that they'd perform the test accurately and in good faith.
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Old 10-22-2012, 12:14 PM   #1610
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That's what was so frustrating. They came on this forum, insisted on the test, then totally botched it from top to bottom.
When I arrived (with a box of Dunkin Donuts) I made sure and tell her "make double sure that only 5.3 quarts of idemitsu 0w20 goes in". The response was "oh they know".
And so I'm sitting in the lobby, and the tech comes in with the look on his face like he had horrible news. Like when an ER doc tells you your mom isn't gonna make it. And he sits down across from me all solemnly and says "well we got your OIL CHANGE all done. You know- these thing just burn oil by design, all new cars are burning oil now. I went ahead and put *6* quarts in. The manual calls for 5.8, but since they ALL burn oil, I figured the extra would help keep the oil light from coming on."
I was dumbfounded. Sooo naturally, I inquired, and that's when the entire office staff of the service dept had to look up who was right. Me or the tech. When they realized I wasn't wrong, they drained some oil out.
Not scientific, and not in any way a "test". Just a 15k service with an extra quart or two.
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Old 10-22-2012, 12:23 PM   #1611
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That's what was so frustrating. They came on this forum, insisted on the test, then totally botched it from top to bottom.
When I arrived (with a box of Dunkin Donuts) I made sure and tell her "make double sure that only 5.3 quarts of idemitsu 0w20 goes in". The response was "oh they know".
And so I'm sitting in the lobby, and the tech comes in with the look on his face like he had horrible news. Like when an ER doc tells you your mom isn't gonna make it. And he sits down across from me all solemnly and says "well we got your OIL CHANGE all done. You know- these thing just burn oil by design, all new cars are burning oil now. I went ahead and put *6* quarts in. The manual calls for 5.8, but since they ALL burn oil, I figured the extra would help keep the oil light from coming on."
I was dumbfounded. Sooo naturally, I inquired, and that's when the entire office staff of the service dept had to look up who was right. Me or the tech. When they realized I wasn't wrong, they drained some oil out.
Not scientific, and not in any way a "test". Just a 15k service with an extra quart or two.
that dealer should be shut down. horrendous. I would be ripping off heads and defecating down the neck holes.
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Old 10-22-2012, 12:58 PM   #1612
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That's the GOOD dealer...
The previous dealer where I purchased the car, Bill Bryan Subaru of Leesburg is so bad that there just aren't words. I REALLY lost faith in Subaru as a company for letting Bill Bryan treat me the way that they did.
At this point, there isn't anyone within an hour or so who I can take the car to for warranty work, as I've not gotten even a proper oil change from a subaru dealer YET. I'd be horrified at the though of them doing anything difficult.
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Old 10-22-2012, 08:42 PM   #1613
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79letour,
I would just love to tell you that not all subaru dealerships are like this but the majority of them are just plain ****ing stupid about the cars. the never know which part fits or which filter to use I generally stick to service manual or parts diagrams and order the stuff myself. The fact that they don't even know what filter fits this car is laughable let alone how much oil to put in. Per the manual that comes with the car its 4.9imp 5.3qts I just drop in a regular 5qt jug so thats .1 over imperial, I wouldn't even fret too much about the .3 - .4. The same applies to the mtl tranny 3.1imp but 3.7 us qts of fluid so an mtl change takes 3.1, my mechanic and I guestimated the extra .6 was when the thing is bone dry. Bottom line stay away from the dealers, their stupidity is not unique to subaru but they just seem to be extremely ****ty I would say they are about as ****ty as the hyundai ones. he he
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Old 10-22-2012, 09:25 PM   #1614
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The leesburg subaru dealer also sells mutsubishis. And has a kia dealer across the the street.
I saw a sweet looking Golf two door that had a 2.5 badge and an interesting "4" logo... VERY tempting... If that what I *think* it is.
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Old 10-22-2012, 09:37 PM   #1615
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^^ As I've said before, if you think you'd get better reliability from a VW, or better service from a VW dealership or VWoA, then I have a bridge to nowhere I'd like to sell you.
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Old 10-22-2012, 09:57 PM   #1616
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It doesn't matter where you go, dealership or Jiffy Lube, Subaru or Lexus, the person doing the oil changes isn't a heavy line mechanic. It could be someone who cares and knows what they're doing, or it could be Jimmy the stoner, TJ the meth head, or dances with whiskey. These aren't highly qualified and experienced mechanics doing this type of work.

I worked at a Ford dealer and Jiffy Lube through high school and college, doing oil/transmission/diff etc. changes for 8 years and the most valuable thing I learned is that if you don't know the person working on your car, you can't trust them.

They might care. They might be competent.

Or they might overfill your engine.

Or forget to put oil in it, start it, rev it up, think it sounds weird, realize there's no oil, turn it off, THEN add oil. And you'd never know this happened.

Or double gasket your oil filter.

Or take it through the wash and smoke a bowl, get grease all over your interior, steal all the change out of your ash tray, and fart a couple times into your seat cushion.

That's why I just change my own oil, and it has nothing to do with saving money.
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Old 10-22-2012, 10:25 PM   #1617
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...and fart a couple times into your seat cushion.
That made me lol so hard... thanks!
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Old 10-22-2012, 10:34 PM   #1618
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Lol nevermind

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Old 10-22-2012, 10:49 PM   #1619
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That made me lol so hard... thanks!
It's only funny when it's not your car!

The food truck comes to the dealer every day around 11. Malt liquor and a food truck diet ensures dealership personnel of having horrid farts. :-)
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Old 10-22-2012, 11:05 PM   #1620
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They get you started early in your career with the food truck....
The roach coach showed up at break time at UTI every day. Beans and rice and crystal sauce meant lots of these horrid mechanic-farts!
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Old 10-23-2012, 09:46 AM   #1621
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7000+ miles and oil level is full. No signs of missing oil.
Update to this -

That reading was just above the top hole on the dipstick. I checked it again after my dealer oil change, and it's about 3/4" above the top hole.

Is this overfilling? Had I burned a bit before, and this is the true full line? I never checked when it was brand new. I guess I wont know until another 7500 miles.
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Old 10-23-2012, 11:31 AM   #1622
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I also noticed that the oil line reads higher on one side. Anyone else get this?
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These dipsticks have a high and a low side. Your reading should be from the LOW side.
Foghelmut- you're OVERFILLED by at least a half quart. You probably got the "new 6 quarts standard overfill".
3/4" over is, imo, bad and should be lowered to the PROPER level. I say this because my consumption started once I let dealers overfill mine. With a full 5.3 quarts, it shouldn't be any higher than 3/16" over the full mark. Maybe even 1/4".
Yep, another victim of dealer over-fill. I'd urge you to watch that dipstick religiously.
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My current fill of 5.1 quarts of 5w30 has my level right over the hole indicating "full".
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These dipsticks have a high and a low side. Your reading should be from the LOW side.
Foghelmut- you're OVERFILLED by at least a half quart. You probably got the "new 6 quarts standard overfill".
3/4" over is, imo, bad and should be lowered to the PROPER level. I say this because my consumption started once I let dealers overfill mine. With a full 5.3 quarts, it shouldn't be any higher than 3/16" over the full mark. Maybe even 1/4".
Yep, another victim of dealer over-fill. I'd urge you to watch that dipstick religiously.
What are the dangers of an overfill, especially in a boxer engine? Half a quart shouldn't be dangerous in any engine. Typically with a severe overfill, the oil level will run into the crankshaft. You'll get oil kicked up through the intake, where it will burn in the engine. If this is the case, you should be able to see the oil in there, and coming through the PCV valve. Air circulates through the intake, into the crankcase, and back up through the PCV valve into the intake again to burn off vapors.

Additionally, the spinning crankshaft will slap against the oil in the sump, causing it to foam. You would be able to see evidence of this foaming on your dipstick. The oil pump can't pump foam, and the results will be pretty terrible.

The design of the boxer engine seems to me that it would be less likely for this to happen without severely overfilling the engine, but I'm no expert. I really don't see how a small overfill would cause severe engine damage.
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