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Old 10-26-2012, 07:14 PM   #1676
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I don't see someone like my mother joining nasioc to complain.
And someone like your mother would be even LESS likely to join if she wasn't having any issues.

People are much more likely to write a letter, complete a survey, or join a website when they're pissed than when they're happy and satisfied.
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Old 10-26-2012, 08:08 PM   #1677
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Well I was very happy for a while and was a member. Then my problems started.
But anyhow, I'm sorry but the majority of car owners, happy or not, don't join online forums about their cars.
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Old 10-26-2012, 08:16 PM   #1678
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Oh they've been ignoring it pretty well. They think its an electrical issue but I highly beg to differ.
Wow, I'M actually surprised. Your case sounded like a good one.
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Old 10-26-2012, 11:00 PM   #1679
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According to Zeeper, every oil burning 2012 impreza has voted in the poll or posted on this thread.
You either have a very short memory or cannot comprehend what you read.

I actually think far less than 2% of the new Impreza's are consuming oil, and I have never said that every person with an Impreza consuming oil is posting here.

What I wrote was that this thread is the biggest conversation about the subject, and is easily located on Google, which is the most commonly used Search Engine.

I even googled that for you, did you already forget that you are famous, and easily found on Google?

Let me Google That For You

What would be the most common search for someone interested in buying a 2012 or 2013 Impreza, to know if there are any problems? I'll guess for you:

2012 Impreza problems

That's right, second hit, the link with over 100 posts. That would be us, right here, we are famous and pioneers of 2012 Impreza problem talking!

I postulated that the average Subaru Impreza driver is more internet savvy than, let's say, the average Buick driver (or even the average Forester or Outback owner, my bet is the demographic for the Impreza is a younger buyer -- that does not mean NO seniors buy the car, it means the demographic skews younger). So a larger percent of Subaru Impreza drivers were likely to use the internet.

If hundreds or thousands of Impreza owners had cars consuming oil, and a good percent of them were internet savvy, why are there only a small handful of owners here posting about their cars consuming oil? You do not have to do anything special to post here, just join NASIOC for free. If my car was consuming oil, it would not be a stretch to say I would be here reinforcing your theories, even if I had never heard of NASIOC before.

Where is the Consumer Reports expose? They love to identify a problem and do a story about it. They recommended the car, and have a long-term tester. Why aren't they going to press?

Here is another long term tester -- no oil consumption: http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...-update-review

The first cars were being driven off the lot in December 2011. There have been over 60,000 sold in the United States and Canada, more overseas...

Let's review the math from before (I guestimated about .16% affected):

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...0#post38146266

I think my math, and theory, based upon the evidence on this thread, already presented, is more on my side than yours.

Have you found more than 10 unique individuals on NASIOC who think their new Impreza is consuming oil? How many others have you run into on the web?

How many Impreza's with this new engine design have been sold?

Please show your math calculations, what percent do you estimate are affected?

How does that affect your theory that the engine design and use of 0W-20 are the cause of your specific issue?

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Old 10-27-2012, 07:23 AM   #1680
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I even googled that for you, did you already forget that you are famous and easily found on Google?

Let me Google That For You
I love that! Where did you find that web site? Oh wait:

Let me Google that for you

I think that's an example of recursion.

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Old 10-27-2012, 07:44 AM   #1681
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I love that! Where did you find that web site? Oh wait:

Let me Google that for you

I think that's an example of recursion.


I clicked on your link and had great fear that it would start an endless loop in my computer forcing me to firebomb my house and kill my internet provider.

But it only looped once. Sad, really.
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Old 10-27-2012, 07:48 AM   #1682
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But it only looped once. Sad, really.
Sorry. I'll try to do better the next time.
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Old 10-27-2012, 09:40 AM   #1683
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Well zeeper, although you've dazzled me again with your wit and your vocabulary skills. You can think whatever you want. But there have been more than ten just on nasioc. Last check there were seven on the poll, at least a few who couldn't vote, and a guy who read stuff on here, never joined, and mentioned nasioc on the forum he frequents. John from Missouri - you didn't join nasioc!! Oh noooooo!!!
The problems are also showing up on Edmunds and Car Talk. Anyone here also complaining on those sites??? I'm not, and you'd know if I were.
Soooooo Calling all oil-burning pos subaru owners- check into nasioc, even the tens of thousands of yankee retirees living in The Villages. And when you join with an oil problem, make sure and send Zeeper a PM so he can record it.
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Old 10-27-2012, 09:47 AM   #1684
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Most people who have oil problems are probably getting smoke blown up their butts by dealers and soa, getting "consumption tests", or traded or sold the car when it started burning oil.
Plus- with all the personal attacks and idiotic suggestioons and vehement denfense of subaru by the lemming-like faithful, why would someone who found the site becausae of a problem even care to join?
All they'll get are a million questions about this magic "break-in" that for some reason people think takes 15k miles. And if they, god forbid, ever drive their car fast, no matter the circumstances, ole zeeper will swoop in like the legal team at soa to blame them.
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Old 10-27-2012, 09:51 AM   #1685
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I haven't made any math calculations. The fact that you try to with no real data is evidence of your all-knowing know-it-all-ness.
I know I shouldn't even bother arguing with you, it brings me down to your level, wherein you beat me with experience.
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Old 10-27-2012, 10:00 AM   #1686
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So you won't venture to guess at how many of the new engines are consuming oil, but you are willing to state that Subaru engineers screwed up big-time, and that the new engines, sold to 60,000+ new Impreza owners, that have low tension rings and 0W-20 weight oil, are all terribly flawed.

Got ya. You don't like to make guesses, you only work in the realm of fiction.

Not non-fiction, but science fiction, apparently, because you base your guesses on science, and I am only guessing based upon math.

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Old 10-27-2012, 10:15 AM   #1687
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Most people who have oil problems are probably getting smoke blown up their butts by dealers and soa, getting "consumption tests", or traded or sold the car when it started burning oil.
smoke up the butt sounds painful. Probably true that dealers are not jumping up to the plate as they should. As I wrote before, I think Subaru should and probably will come through with some remediation eventually.

I bet a bad review by Consumer Reports on their long term test car might provoke a quicker response. Unfortunately, that does not look likely.


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Plus with all the personal attacks and idiotic suggestioons and vehement denfense of subaru by the lemming-like faithful, why would someone who found the site because of a problem even care to join?
Most people are not a thin skinned as you appear to be. But maybe you disagree, care to guess what percent of Subaru drivers would avoid NASOIC because of discussions like this one? My guess is about .016%...

My hunch is most owners of a new car that consumes oil are not yet trading the car in, they recognize that adding oil is cheaper than taking a $1,000-2,000 depreciation loss right off the bat. I have read about two owners dumping their car for a prius due to their low MPG's, so maybe a few have traded.

Does that get you up to 10 unique individuals, yet?

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And if they, god forbid, ever drive their car fast, no matter the circumstances, ole zeeper will swoop in like the legal team at soa to blame them.
Oh, I didn't realize someone forced you to drive as fast as you could get the car to go (a reported 130mph). Maybe carjacking thugs who make dumbazzes redline their new cars are more widespread in Florida? By the way I am still anxiously awaiting the independent verification of your top speed (from the Florida State Police). Let me know when you have that!
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Old 10-27-2012, 10:54 AM   #1688
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Go eat your prunes old fart!
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Old 10-27-2012, 11:05 AM   #1689
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I'm not going regurgitate every detail and recall every post on this thread.
For thecord- I never said ALL Imprezas have oil consumption. And its not science fiction that hundreds or thousands of cars are burning oil, both according to dealers, techs, soa, etc.
What I'm asserting is that-
Subaru's choice ow 0w20 and low tension rings leave a much wider window for manufacturing defects and lemon cars.
Subaru is becoming more like Toyota
Subaru systematically lies to folks who register complaints about their new cars.
Subaru was greatly affected by the earthquake/tsunami as were other japanese industries. This is sad and I've tried to show respect in this thread in that regard.
Subaru Foresters 2011 and up and Subaru Imprezas 2012 and up have a lot more problems in general than the earlier cars.
And that you are a wise ass.
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Old 10-27-2012, 11:12 AM   #1690
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I'm not going regurgitate every detail and recall every post on this thread.
For thecord- I never said ALL Imprezas have oil consumption. And its not science fiction that hundreds or thousands of cars are burning oil, both according to dealers, techs, soa, etc.
What I'm asserting is that-
Subaru's choice ow 0w20 and low tension rings leave a much wider window for manufacturing defects and lemon cars.
Subaru is becoming more like Toyota
Subaru systematically lies to folks who register complaints about their new cars.
Subaru was greatly affected by the earthquake/tsunami as were other japanese industries. This is sad and I've tried to show respect in this thread in that regard.
Subaru Foresters 2011 and up and Subaru Imprezas 2012 and up have a lot more problems in general than the earlier cars.
And that you are a wise ass.
I thought you weren't going to guess, now it's 100's or 1,000's?
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Old 10-27-2012, 11:15 AM   #1691
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Subaru is becoming more like Toyota
If you mean that Subaru is becoming more like Toyota specifically in terms of reliability, then I'm all for it:



Nothing wrong with that, since what you're saying is that Subaru's reliability is going from really good to even better.

The vertical Reliability axis shown in the above graphic was made from Consumer Reports' reliability data, which did not come from CR's own assessments of reliability, but rather the data culled from thousands of reliability surveys that CR collects every year.

The horizontal Test Score axis is based upon CR's own analysis of auto design, in terms of performance, usability, safety, comfort, and so on.

So when it comes to reliability, I have no problem with Subaru using Toyota as its benchmark.
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Old 10-27-2012, 11:18 AM   #1692
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I love that! Where did you find that web site? Oh wait:

Let me Google that for you

I think that's an example of recursion.

Oh man you did not go programming on me!
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Old 10-27-2012, 12:39 PM   #1693
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Take this how you will, but the head tech that I spoke with the other day said, three times during our talk about oil consumption, that he wished he had recorded our conversation so he could use it to show everyone that comes in complaining about burning oil instead of having to explain things over and over again. He also stated I was the third or fourth customer that week to call or come in complaining of oil consumption. This leads me to believe that the issue is much more widespread than just your average 2% failure rate.

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Old 10-27-2012, 02:56 PM   #1694
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Take this how you will, but the head tech that I spoke with the other day said three times during our talk about oil consumption that he wished he had recorded our conversation so he could use it to show everyone that comes in complaining about burning oil instead of having to explain things over and over again. He also stated I was the third or fourth customer that week to call or come in complaining of oil consumption. This leads me to believe that the issue is much more widespread than just your average 2% failure rate.
I'm actually predicting about .016%, or about 2/10ths of 1%, based upon first person accounts, not hearsay.

Keep in mind, a person can be a tech at your local dealership and still be a moron, such as the one who overfilled 79's crankcase, then excused that by saying "oh, they all burn oil so I added a little extra..."

79 takes that as gospel that many cars burn oil.

I take it as gospel that when a tech screws up they are 99% more likely to make a dumb excuse than admit personal fault.

Search for that exchange, it is in this thread.

This thread is so long that the same issues come back every few weeks...

Other than the few people posting here, and a couple on Car Talk and Edmunds, I don't see many people complaining that their Impreza is consuming oil. Strange that over 60,000 have been sold, and all we have is a few people here, the place with the hottest and latest discussion on the topic, talking about it.

Where is Consumer Reports? Edmunds? Car and Driver? MotorWeek?

They all love a good story! Why aren't they talking about it if it involves thousands of cars?
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Give them time.
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Old 10-27-2012, 03:58 PM   #1696
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By zeepers logic, I should do like he does on this thread. I should posat numerous rebuttals whenever someone praises their impreza. This thread doesn't really have anything to do with zeepo, since his is perfect and doesn't consume quarts of oil. It almost seems like he has some personal interest in discrediting this issue. He's just a nameless, faceless person on the internet. Soa, dealers, and other owners know about the oil problem.
How bout if your car doesn't burn oil- then please go praise your wonder machine on one of the many fan-boy threads. You've made your positions clear sir.
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Old 10-27-2012, 06:46 PM   #1697
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I'm actually predicting about .016%, or about 2/10ths of 1%, based upon first person accounts, not hearsay.

Keep in mind, a person can be a tech at your local dealership and still be a moron, such as the one who overfilled 79's crankcase, then excused that by saying "oh, they all burn oil so I added a little extra..."

79 takes that as gospel that many cars burn oil.

I take it as gospel that when a tech screws up they are 99% more likely to make a dumb excuse than admit personal fault.

Search for that exchange, it is in this thread.

This thread is so long that the same issues come back every few weeks...

Other than the few people posting here, and a couple on Car Talk and Edmunds, I don't see many people complaining that their Impreza is consuming oil. Strange that over 60,000 have been sold, and all we have is a few people here, the place with the hottest and latest discussion on the topic, talking about it.

Where is Consumer Reports? Edmunds? Car and Driver? MotorWeek?

They all love a good story! Why aren't they talking about it if it involves thousands of cars?
Okay we get your ****ing point, stop flaming the thread bro, if you dont have any real suggestions gtfo.
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Old 10-27-2012, 08:15 PM   #1698
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Sorry, I post on all threads I find relevant on NASIOC, if you are that insecure and don't want your ideas, theories, and rants discussed, maybe you should stick to Facebook.

Or just ignore me, I don't care. But don't try to moderate a free forum, unless you are a moderator. If that is the case, stop dodging the swear filter, that is an infraction.
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Old 10-27-2012, 08:54 PM   #1699
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900 miles on my amsoil signature 0w20 and so far no loss. At this point on the Amsoil xl i would have been down 4oz(acceptable, but slightly dissapointing loss). We will see what happens at 2000 miles.
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Sorry, I post on all threads I find relevant on NASIOC, if you are that insecure and don't want your ideas, theories, and rants discussed, maybe you should stick to Facebook.

Or just ignore me, I don't care. But don't try to moderate a free forum, unless you are a moderator. If that is the case, stop dodging the swear filter, that is an infraction.
Dodging the swear filter? I typed ****ing and thats what came out.. your just not contributing anything of worth, your not having the problem and you have nothing to say to help us, so why are you even bothering, do you really have nothing netter to do then flame on these threads?
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