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Old 12-16-2012, 11:26 AM   #2101
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Does anyone know when the oil light is triggered? When the oil level is a qt low or 2 qt s low?
I just hit the 10k mark on my odometer, and the light came on. Oil change done at 7500 miles, it was a qt low when checked but within normal parameters. Drove for a while and it turned off. Got home and added 1/2 qt of oil just to be safe. Does weather affect anything when it comes to what happened? Appt made with my dealer to check this out. They replaced an oil sensor at 5k already.
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Old 12-16-2012, 04:49 PM   #2102
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You can't go wrong with following the manufacturer's guidelines and not abusing the car during break-in.
You certainly can. I followed the manual for break-in and this god-damned 130mph that you and certain others will not let go happened with several thousand miles on the car, and it had already had an oil change.
Brz anf fr-s guys are autocrossing with less than a thousand miles on the odo, and I highly doubt the rest of the growing list of oil burners has gone 130mph. Which wasn't redlining it at all.
My kawasaki regularly sees 150mph speeds and it doesn't consume oil. My integra never burned oil doing 120mph, and got way better mileage.
You've obviously followed this thread, and for you to distort or otherwise skew the facts seems to be to confuse anyone just joining the conversation.
I cruised for an hour the other day at 110mph, old ladys in an Outback were doing 100+ as well.
Can we please move past this? I don't think all of us burning oil drive the same ways, I think we got cars that burn oil.
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Old 12-16-2012, 06:58 PM   #2103
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I cruised for an hour the other day at 110mph, old ladys in an Outback were doing 100+ as well.
Just curious: Where in the US can you cruise at those speeds, for an hour, without getting a ticket? Obviously the answer is someplace in FL, since that's where you live, but how do you not get speeding tickets?
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Old 12-16-2012, 07:04 PM   #2104
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I followed the manual for break-in and this god-damned 130mph that you and certain others will not let go happened with several thousand miles on the car, and it had already had an oil change.
And then it started burning oil. As Gomer has said in the past "Suprise, Suprise, Suprise). Probably could not be a cause and effect "thing", could it?

Can't let go because the 130 mph "trek" may be causal (in your case) and taking the car to that limit is simply stupid - it's not a "track car"; but rather a daily driver.

The WRX/STI are "track cars" - something like comparing your motorcycle to a motor-scooter.
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Old 12-16-2012, 07:09 PM   #2105
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You certainly can. I followed the manual for break-in and this god-damned 130mph that you and certain others will not let go happened with several thousand miles on the car, and it had already had an oil change.
Brz anf fr-s guys are autocrossing with less than a thousand miles on the odo, and I highly doubt the rest of the growing list of oil burners has gone 130mph. Which wasn't redlining it at all.
My kawasaki regularly sees 150mph speeds and it doesn't consume oil. My integra never burned oil doing 120mph, and got way better mileage.
You've obviously followed this thread, and for you to distort or otherwise skew the facts seems to be to confuse anyone just joining the conversation.
I cruised for an hour the other day at 110mph, old ladys in an Outback were doing 100+ as well.
Can we please move past this? I don't think all of us burning oil drive the same ways, I think we got cars that burn oil.
So what you are saying is that everyone that followed the break-in procedures are screwed? That is you trying to distort the truth. My comments about the 130 MPH run wasn't saying that it was the cause. I was mentioning it as a possible catalyst for the oil consumption. There is no skewing of facts, you drove your car to 130 MPH when the engine was newer. Oil change or not, the engine is still new. That is a fact.

Up until now, I have been empathetic of your cause. I genuinely I felt bad for you. But your responses lately have been crass and offensive. Now I truly understand why SOA, and the two dealerships don't want to deal with you. I cannot believe that you didn't do anything to burn the relationship. I will say nothing further to you directly in this thread. Good luck with things.[/rant]
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Old 12-16-2012, 07:19 PM   #2106
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The only car that I can recall that I ever drove at ~130mph was a 1976 Mazda RX4 with a rotary engine (not much horsepower or torque, but it loved high rpms). This was on the European Autobahn (Germany) and Autostrada (Italy). At that speed, for an hour or so, tires have a tendency to melt. I was stupid back then, not so much so now.
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Old 12-16-2012, 08:54 PM   #2107
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You can't go wrong with following the manufacturer's guidelines and not abusing the car during break-in.
But no-one posting here knows what 'abuse' actually is... I'll bet I'm the only one posting here who actually has rebuilt engines from the crank, up. Gapped rings, caused and repaired an engine destroyed in 1 second by detonation, seen rings snapped apart after hanging up on exhaust ports. There's an astounding lack of knowledge by people posting at a site like NASIOC. Certainly, there are *some* experienced posters here. But they don't often post, and their knowledge is often ignored. (I'm not looking to feed *my* ego, there. It's already big enough.) It's like watching housewives talking about tech issues.
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Old 12-16-2012, 09:11 PM   #2108
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If you are insinuating that I don't know what I am talking about, you are sorely wrong. If you were to read the posts I have made in this thread, you'll notice that many of them have the backing of a head Subaru technician at a well known dealership in NJ. He has experience in all of your "accomplishments" and then some. Not to mention they were on various Subaru models across the years. Before you ASSume that you're the head-brain around here, take two seconds to look around. Perhaps you should deflate your big head.

If you are unsure of what abuse is, perhaps you should email SOA and ask them if 130 MPH on a new car is constituted as abuse, they should be able to define it for you.

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Old 12-16-2012, 09:45 PM   #2109
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Balance and Blue Print - not since the early 70's, but did it all the same. Some of use just "brag" about all of their experience and simply moved on to other things after we grew up.
Think '66 Corvair with a 327 motor in the back seat and tons of lead in the trunk (front for those that don't know)... Mustang eater (and a few Vettes). And then there was that Candy Purple Henry-J with gold flake that I had (need to drive from the modified rear seat) - friend helped me build that monster, it was totally unsafe to drive.
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Old 12-16-2012, 11:53 PM   #2110
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You certainly can. I followed the manual for break-in and this god-damned 130mph that you and certain others will not let go happened with several thousand miles on the car, and it had already had an oil change.
Brz anf fr-s guys are autocrossing with less than a thousand miles on the odo, and I highly doubt the rest of the growing list of oil burners has gone 130mph. Which wasn't redlining it at all.
My kawasaki regularly sees 150mph speeds and it doesn't consume oil. My integra never burned oil doing 120mph, and got way better mileage.
You've obviously followed this thread, and for you to distort or otherwise skew the facts seems to be to confuse anyone just joining the conversation.
I cruised for an hour the other day at 110mph, old ladys in an Outback were doing 100+ as well.
Can we please move past this? I don't think all of us burning oil drive the same ways, I think we got cars that burn oil.
To cruise at 110mph you have to be turning 5000+rpm and you wonder why you are losing oil? At that kind of sustained rpm you probably have a lot of excess crankcase pressure and all your oil is going through the pvc system

Edit: according to gearing calculators, 110mph is around 4750rpm....

130mph is 5750rpm

Which makes sense because each 1 mph over 70 is equal to about 40rpm in my experience

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Old 12-17-2012, 09:49 AM   #2111
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Never redlined! Thanks for proving it with math.
Anyone wanting to cruise at 110, just come try out some of the long boring stretches of the Florioda Turnpike.
Did Jrobb, John, or any of the other intermittent guests with consumption problems do the same thing as me? No. It affects cars owned by schoolteachers, nurses, nerds, etc.
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Old 12-17-2012, 09:55 AM   #2112
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And you are as bad as a lawyer, ST, your semantics game is tiring for sure.
I never said everyone who follows the subaru specified break-in will have problems. You know this. Its pretty ****ing clear. I simply stated that you can, in fact go "wrong", as there are more than just one or two cases of excessively oil consuming cars here just on this site.
All I ever said was that you can follow the guidelines and still come out with an oil burner.
In fact, mine burns a good bit less than some of the more pussily driven cars.
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Old 12-17-2012, 10:01 AM   #2113
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Anyone wanting to cruise at 110, just come try out some of the long boring stretches of the Florioda Turnpike.
OK, I'm going to ask this again, and I understand that it has nothing to do with our Imprezas or oil consumption. I'm just asking because I'm curious:

How do you drive for an hour on the FL Turnpike at 110 MPH and not get a (massively expensive) speeding ticket? Don't they have law enforcement down in FL?
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Old 12-17-2012, 10:09 AM   #2114
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I have built engines, too, btw. A few aircooled Veedubs, a honda cbx (straight six aircooled bike) and lots of aicooled single cylinder hondas. Two strokes, although I hate balancing the cranks on those.

And ST- until your subaru tech buddy joins in, that's all conjecture and heresay. I never claimed to be the intellectual sduperior of you or anyone here. But since you've said that your done with this thread, I'll not bring you up, and your rewording and semantics battles won't be missed.

As to why soa and Bill Bryan don't wanna deal with the issues, well I'm not getting any different treatment than Jrobb is, or any of the otther unfortunate oil consumer owners.
Mastro and I never had any arguments or ill words, not returning to their dealership is and was MY choice, and as a customer I expect basic competency, which they didn't show. I showed up with a very positive outlook and a box of donuts. I left with over six quarts of oil in my car on a "consumption" test, and 102JAMZ programmed into my radio presets.
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Old 12-17-2012, 10:22 AM   #2115
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The avg speed on certain stretches of the ftp is around 100. Old ladys, delivery trucks, everyone hauls A$$. They don't have speeding tickets as heavily issued on the toll roads as they do the highways. From I-drive in Orlando on the turnpike, its about an hour to the Wildwood exit, and long and mostly straight. I was following a woman in a BMW who was going a good 115-120, but I got stuck behind some slower 90mph traffic near the 429.
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Old 12-17-2012, 10:28 AM   #2116
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In fact, my girlfriends cousin showed up late for the family xmas party because he was pulled over doing 120mph in a mitsubishi rental car. It was on the Florida Turnpike. They only wrote the ticket for 80mph, which was only 10mph over the posted speed limit.
He's from egypt, so maybe they were being nice since he mostly speaks arabic.
But pretty much everyone, especially at certain hours, goes 100+ out on that road.
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Old 12-17-2012, 10:32 AM   #2117
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If the car isn't "capable" of driving fast, then why does the speedometer go to 150, and why doesn't the manual say not to exceed "X-mph"?
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Old 12-17-2012, 10:39 AM   #2118
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Interesting. Sounds like fun, as long as you don't get pulled over like your girlfriend's cousin did.

So I assume the condition of that road is very good, if people are driving those speeds. The Autobahn was build for speed, but most USA roads weren't. Small dips and bumps at 65 MPH turn into major obstacles at 120 MPH.

Of course, the other consideration is the driving abilities of the people on the road, regardless of whether they're driving fast or not. If someone driving a slow 75 MPH decides to change lanes without carefully checking his/her rear and side view mirrors, some serious ***** is going to hit the fan if someone comes roaring upon him/her at 120 MPH. Germans take their driving skills/etiquette much more seriously than most Americans do. There's no telling what an American 75-year-old grandpa who probably should have lost his license 5 years ago might do. And there are lots of 75-year-old grandpas in FL.
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Old 12-17-2012, 11:15 AM   #2119
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I get it, man. Driving is dangerous period.
I was eyewitness to a man who deciced to commit suicide using his AMG roadster. He hit 120 on Flagler in New Smyrna, went through one intersection, then t-boned a car driven by a little old lady who could have never seen it coming! I was on foot in the crosswalk where the accident happened. Had I not HEARD the mercedes, my friend and I would not be here. I literally grabbed him and pulled him. Car missed us by mere feet.
But this was in a 35mph zone. The turnpike is 100mph+ no problems.
My 94 sentra didn't have a problem cruising at 90 out there.
But this thread is about oil consumption, not speed limits or breaking them.


Jrobb- how fast has your car (which burns more oil than mine) gone?
John451- how fast do you drive?
99.999999% of my driving is under 50mph, and I do get AWESOME mpg's. I hate driving in or near orlando, and I can count how many times my car has been on the TP.
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Old 12-17-2012, 11:19 AM   #2120
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Djbono, what is your driving style?
I need to go through this entire thread and get a list together.
There were 8 oil burners in the poll last I checked, but new members can't vote.
To the other oil burners only- do you ever drive 100mph or more with the flow of traffic?
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Old 12-17-2012, 11:36 AM   #2121
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Can't let go because the 130 mph "trek" may be causal (in your case) and taking the car to that limit is simply stupid - it's not a "track car"; but rather a daily driver.
Not to comment on the moral aspect of speeding in your Country but whats the big deal with the car hitting an indicated 130 though it's probably corrected down closer to 120mph. I can't be the only one thats hired an economy car in Germany and driven it for sustained periods of time flat out over 110mph like I did in '95. It was a then new Opel Vectra 1.6L Manual and flogged it hard and it only managed to lose about 5mm of oil in the 3000 miles I covered in 4 weeks. I would have thought if an underpowered '1.6L Vectra had no problems hitting up to 115mph for long periods in '95 a 2.0 Litre Impreza with an oil change and a few thousand miles run in should not have issues in 2012 hitting an indicated optimistic 130 briefly.

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My car doesn't consume oil, but I can say that in my 35 years of driving, the flow of traffic has NEVER been 100 MPH or more. I seem to remember driving on some highway on Colorado or Wyoming where the flow of traffic was 85 MPH.

I could probably count the number of times I've (briefly) touched 90 MPH in my entire life on one hand. And that includes my foolish teenage years.
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Old 12-17-2012, 11:53 AM   #2123
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Maybe it would be better if every individual who has excessive oil consumption started their own new thread.
That way it would be harder for the flag-waving fanboys to insult, condemn, discredit, and discount those who have oil consumption.

It would really be relieving to see some of you try to condemn someone else who isn't as forthcoming as I.
What would you blame for the ten or fifteen others' problems, if they start their own thread.
For a while there this thread was getting civil, and was more or less a place for owners of oil consuming cars to exchange info, ideas, to commiserate, and to discuss what is being done where.
There are already plenty of pages of folks comdemning me all sorts of ways and saying its all my fault. As long as this thing is, I can't help but wonder why those who have already said something come in and re-write or reword the same statement a different way. Usually, it doesn't even fit into the conversation, its almost like there are several individuals who hate that I refuse to eat a $4000 loss, and really hate the fact that as a consumer I choose to voice my dissatisfaction with subarus answer to my, and others, legitimate concearn.
So- oil burners- feel free to post here, but it would serve to make the jobs of the smack-talking subaru lemmings harder if there were 8 or 10 "my new impreza burns oil" threads.
Flame on...
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My car doesn't consume oil, but I can say that in my 35 years of driving, the flow of traffic has NEVER been 100 MPH or more. I seem to remember driving on some highway on Colorado or Wyoming where the flow of traffic was 85 MPH.

I could probably count the number of times I've (briefly) touched 90 MPH in my entire life on one hand. And that includes my foolish teenage years.
this. i'm all for going with the flow of traffic because otherwise you make it unsafe because you become the obstacle, but 100+ never have I seen the flow of traffic that fast.
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Thanks John451, I had a very similar experience in Germany. And I don't agree with whoever commented about germans being "courteous" drivers. They drive like they're in a race everywhere they go. I was amazed at the overall agressive nature of the german driving experience. I love how their lights go from green to yellow to red, then red to yellow to green.
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