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Old 12-18-2012, 04:40 PM   #2151
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OK, now I'm looking at the sensor removal portion of the service manual. The intake sensors don't look like they should be too hard to see. The right intake sensor requires removing the air intake duct.

The exhaust sensors require removing the plastic belly pan, and that's it.

So they shouldn't be too hard to view, for those who are motivated. My Impreza isn't consuming oil, but if it was, I'd be checking this out!
for the heck of it i checked mine when i did my block heater about 1 month ago. i didn't see any leaks on the underside of the engine, never did check the top. I'm not comsuming much more than normal usage anyway (1ish qt. per 7500 miles IIRC)
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Old 12-18-2012, 05:08 PM   #2152
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I am going to post pictures in a few minutes , I will get a clear picture.
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Old 12-18-2012, 05:09 PM   #2153
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It's on the top front side where you put the oil into the motor, right under the cap.
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Old 12-18-2012, 06:16 PM   #2154
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Well there are/have been 15-20 owners on nasioc, several on Edmunds (including one account of an engine being replaced), and google finds a variety of sites with owners complaining. No one but soa knows the percentage. One troll-like asswipe on here spouts out percentages, but he has no real data.
Troll-like asswipe? Funny how you see in others what you dislike about yourself.

Here is an estimate, based upon math. You may be familiar with math, it allows you to estimate things, based upon known numbers.

In November, 2012, Subaru sold 4,552 of the newly designed Impreza's in the United States. We can estimate that Subaru has sold between 50,000-60,000 Impreza's in the United States over the past year. I haven't seen the total sales figure, but if you can find it, provide it.

You've identified 15-20 cases on this forum of individual owners who think their car is consuming oil. This forum is currently the main discussion of this issue that can be found on the internet. It actually shows up quite readily if you google Subura Impreza problems.

If we assume that at least 100 cars are consuming oil (more than any evidence so far suggests), and we estimate 55,000 total cars sold in the USA since last November, you are looking at 0.18% cars with oil consumption. That's the math part.

I know you think that thousands are affected, but you have no evidence to support that theory, but then again there seems to be little evidence for any of your theories.

Now fly off the handle again throwing another of your classic hissy fits...

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Old 12-18-2012, 06:21 PM   #2155
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It's on the top front side where you put the oil into the motor, right under the cap.
Do you see evidence of the oil leaving the engine, aka a puddle, or an oily engine? If oil is leaking past the seal, where is it going?
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Old 12-18-2012, 06:57 PM   #2156
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Troll-like meang its your personal hobby to keep redundantly regurgitating your shpeel. If I were trolling, I'd be attacking every "I love my impreza" thread, the way you perma-troll this one. I love how you're still trying to do math and statisatics wih incompolete or fabricated data. You're just someone with some insecurities who lookss for arguments to engage in to feed your inflated ego, as every post you make is teeming intellectual superiority claims, and tooting your own horn.
We all know your **** doesn't stink and you view soa with the same conviction that Hank Hill has for propane. Flame on, flamer.

Now back on the actual subject- I've looked at every part of the engine. Running and not. Can't find any leaks. Whoever was gonna post the pics, that would be awesome.
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Old 12-18-2012, 07:16 PM   #2157
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Maybe it would be better if every individual who has excessive oil consumption started their own new thread.
That way it would be harder for the flag-waving fanboys to insult, condemn, discredit, and discount those who have oil consumption.

It would really be relieving to see some of you try to condemn someone else who isn't as forthcoming as I.
What would you blame for the ten or fifteen others' problems, if they start their own thread.
For a while there this thread was getting civil, and was more or less a place for owners of oil consuming cars to exchange info, ideas, to commiserate, and to discuss what is being done where.
There are already plenty of pages of folks comdemning me all sorts of ways and saying its all my fault. As long as this thing is, I can't help but wonder why those who have already said something come in and re-write or reword the same statement a different way. Usually, it doesn't even fit into the conversation, its almost like there are several individuals who hate that I refuse to eat a $4000 loss, and really hate the fact that as a consumer I choose to voice my dissatisfaction with subarus answer to my, and others, legitimate concearn.
So- oil burners- feel free to post here, but it would serve to make the jobs of the smack-talking subaru lemmings harder if there were 8 or 10 "my new impreza burns oil" threads.
Flame on...
I still think this is a great idea. I have been attacked with lawyer-like persistence from a few folks, it would be interenting to see others post their own threads.
If you can't understand what its like to own a brand new car with a glaring defect and be stuck, and with zero effort te help put forth by the maker, then go start or post in a thread declaring your subaru the greatest machine ever made. But to keep trying to online-bully a hard-headed disgruntled consumer makes your intentions and motives very suspect.
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Old 12-18-2012, 08:04 PM   #2158
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See 79, there is no doubt that we care about the oil consumption issue. It is just your perpetual whining about the situation, and that you feel that everyone is out to sabotage you. I have dealt with my local dealer, I have dealt with SOA and got them to lemon my original car. In dealing with them I was very reasonable and went through the process to solve issues with my car. I understand that the dealer overfilled your oil when you went to do the consumption test, why didn't you simply go immediately back to them and tell them? Demand that they take out the proper amount of oil so they could give you an accurate test? Instead you complain that no one is willing to help you. I just don't get it. I have yet to hear ANYONE in this thread boasting about SOA, it's just in your mind that you think they are the devil.

Your saving grace may be that when the temps warm up your car will consume more oil. You said that you were on the cusp of the 1qt/1200 miles before it got cold. Wait until it gets warmer and repeat the consumption test.
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Old 12-18-2012, 09:13 PM   #2159
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For those burning oil, do you see any smoke when starting the car? How about when revving the engine?
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Old 12-18-2012, 11:25 PM   #2160
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It really is a shame that there is so much bashing going on in this thread. I can see a new user with an oil consumption issue being so turned off from all the arguments, that they wouldn't bother posting here.

Anyway, to get back on topic, that post from ZURCALED about the sensor seals leaking is interesting. I would also really like to see pics of what you're talking about so I can check out my own engine. Also, I'll be due very soon to check my oil level at my first 1200 mile interval with the 0W30. I'm interested to see if it has affected my consumption rate. Will be sure to post when I do check it.
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Old 12-18-2012, 11:28 PM   #2161
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It really is a shame that there is so much bashing going on in this thread. I can see a new user with an oil consumption issue being so turned off from all the arguments, that they wouldn't bother posting here.

Anyway, to get back on topic, that post from ZURCALED about the sensor seals leaking is interesting. I would also really like to see pics of what you're talking about so I can check out my own engine. Also, I'll be due very soon to check my oil level at my first 1200 mile interval with the 0W30. I'm interested to see if it has affected my consumption rate. Will be sure to post when I do check it.
If you have been around since the beginning you'll know what we're talking about.

Anyways, what is your rate of consumption? Do you know if your consumption is slowing down with the colder weather?
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Old 12-18-2012, 11:47 PM   #2162
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If quarts of oil are leaking out of the engine, even slowly over time, it will show up under the car.

So if you have added more than a few quarts already, and don't see oil under your car, you must never park it, or an external leak is not the cause of the oil loss.
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Old 12-18-2012, 11:47 PM   #2163
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If you have been around since the beginning you'll know what we're talking about.

Anyways, what is your rate of consumption? Do you know if your consumption is slowing down with the colder weather?
I actually have been around since the beginning of this thread, but I think it sucks to have to read through pages of arguments just to get to new snippets of information.

My rate of consumption seemed to be going up by the end of summer/start of fall. I was burning about 3/4 quart every 1200 miles at the worst. Since Thanksgiving, I've only been losing about 1/2 quart. Have not checked my level since switching to 0w30, but I'm coming up on my first 1200 mile interval with this oil.

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Old 12-18-2012, 11:58 PM   #2164
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I actually have been around since the beginning of this thread, but I think it sucks to have to read through pages of arguments just to get to new snippets of information.

My rate of consumption seemed to be going up by the end of summer/start of fall. I was burning about 3/4 quart every 1200 miles at the worst. Since Thanksgiving, I've only been losing about 1/2 quart. Have not checked my level since switching to 0w30, but I'm coming up on my first 1200 mile interval with this oil.
I was referring to last December when it all started.

At any rate, it seems as if you were borderline on the threshold that Subaru uses for replacing the short block. When you had that rate of consumption, did you drive the car easy? If so, what if you were to drive it harder for 1200 miles (a bit more acceleration than normal), maybe that would consume enough for SOA to do something about it.
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Old 12-19-2012, 12:16 AM   #2165
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I didn't leave the lot when Mastro overfilled it. I got the service manager out, they "drained some". I told him I was really let down with the state of affairs. He was polite and all, as was I, but he simply stated "well these things are just b urning oil, sir, we're closing in ten mins, it'll be fine". Incompetent, and I won't return.
Also- your bashing me and my defending myself isn't whining, while my utter disgust with Subaru of America and Bill Bryan may be so. I don't care if it is whining, my car sucks, I've been treated poorly by everyone associated with Subaru, and I have this thread to vent once in a while, as well as discuss the issue with other owners.
If your car isn't having issues, and you have nothing constructive to add to the conversation, then go on to some other thread.
Maybe I should start a new one called "only for those burning oil" ??
Anyhow, peace man, I thought you were out of here?!

Zeeper- in the name of diplomacy, your above post, I totally will agree with that, and have been all under the car a lot and have taken off the underpan. There- we agree on something. Right?

Thanks again Jrobb and others, who I think see that certain people just want to argue.
I'm in agreement that other new owners probably wouldn't want to chime in, what with all the personal attacks and bashing. Despite what some suggest, there are surely many more owners out there.
So, in the name of consumer advocacy, and the betterment of the online subaru owners dicussion we're having about excessive/abnormal oil consumption, please leave the trolling alone, enough.
I think we have enough cases now that repeatedly condemning any of my actions is pointless even if you hate me. I truly am not here to argue or insult anyone. And while I do know a lot about some things, I never have at all incinuated that I was anyones intellectual superior, which is a common theme in my many critics.

Can we please talk about 2012 and 2012 impreza oil consumption, soa, and dealers? Brz/fr-s owners would be interesting to hear from on this, as well as 2011 and up Forester owners who have had oil consumption.
Peace to you all, afterall, its the Holiday season, right?
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Old 12-19-2012, 12:24 AM   #2166
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One thing I HAVE learned is that the 0w20 oil is not likely to blame, as I originally thought.
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Regarding my car, if you may recall an earlier post I had stated that in 5,000 miles my dipstick showed that it was at 3/4. If I recall correctly the dealer had overfilled it a bit, so I am looking at ~.5-.6 quarts in that interval.
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Old 12-19-2012, 01:32 AM   #2168
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I have to photobucket the picks first, so here they are:

This one is next to the battery, the one to the right, or drivers side, as you can see the oil splatter on the aluminum.

This one is by the passenger side, left side, as you can see its bone dry. And the dealer assure me that it will stop,consuming oil as much as it was before when the NEW sensors are installed. Also that SOA told their mechanics that this car will consume as much as a quart of oil per 1200 miles. And this is because of the viscosity of the 0W20 oil. I am shock to say the least that SOA would make such a claim, I am wondering if that is what all the other motors are consuming?

As you can see in this picture the oil is all over even on top of the cap. This side of the motor does have a light film of residue from the oil coming off the seals. I will take more pictures when it's not raining. For more clarity on this issue.
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I do not see any smoke and I did notice that my light would always come on during hard acceleration on the highway, and the speed is about 75 MPH then the light would stay on steadily light until the next day or until I add more oil. I do not want to do an engine cleaning until the new sensors come in and are installed. I did not buy this car for speed, I bought this car for the gas mileage and the fact that it is all wheel drive. And the amount of miles I put on her daily is 102 miles per every day that I go to work and back home. That is another reason why I purchased the additional warranty.
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Old 12-19-2012, 07:09 AM   #2170
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Good catch; thanks for posting the pics.

As mentioned in my posts from yesterday, these two sensors on top of the engine are the intake camshaft position sensors. There are two more on the underside of the engine which are the exhaust camshaft position sensors.

EDIT: Now that I'm looking at your pics more closely, you can actually see both the intake and exhaust position sensors from above the engine.
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I haven't seen any smoke, but the rear of my car gets almost diesel-dirty very quickly. Not the usual dust and road grime, but black soot builds up fast.
As fast as mine drank the castrol 5w30, I think by next summer it'll be burning "enough" for subaru to fix.
Meanwhie, there's a CLEAN 08' Golf R32 at the local vw dealer that's getting harder and harder to drive past every day. But I CAN'T take a four year older trade and a $4000 loss on this car. And VW started to suck years ago.
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I need to go check under my hood. I know I've looked before for oil.

Thanks for posting Zurcaled, pics are always good.
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Interestingly, my light always comes on in 35mph traffic.
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I need to go check under my hood. I know I've looked before for oil.

Thanks for posting Zurcaled, pics are always good.
If the rear of your car gets diesel dirty, then it's burning oil, not leaking it.
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I haven't seen any smoke, but the rear of my car gets almost diesel-dirty very quickly. Not the usual dust and road grime, but black soot builds up fast.
As fast as mine drank the castrol 5w30, I think by next summer it'll be burning "enough" for subaru to fix.
Meanwhie, there's a CLEAN 08' Golf R32 at the local vw dealer that's getting harder and harder to drive past every day. But I CAN'T take a four year older trade and a $4000 loss on this car. And VW started to suck years ago.
my vr6 never burned a noticeable amount of oil. I did yearly oil changes.
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