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Old 12-20-2012, 08:53 PM   #2226
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Steve, you're a stand-up guy, no doubt about that.
But if amsoil were the band-aid/answer for our oil consumption, Jrobb wouldn't have burnt it.
I've read that pdf before, though. Good read, but to be honest, I'm just sick of reading about oils. I've had plenty of crappy cars never burn any.
If this were some specialized niche market car, I could see needing some special oil. But these cars are sold to joe average consumer and really shouldn't be fussy. I'm trying my third type of oil atm. But with as many folks from different regions, demographics, etc, I just don't think the brand or weight of the oil is to blame.
My intention was not to plug Amsoil products, nor was I suggesting that Amsoil products were the solution to your problems. I just thought that the PDF was an educational explanation of all the things that can cause oil consumption.
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Old 12-20-2012, 08:59 PM   #2227
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If you are following the recommended OCI, you will most likely see these lights come on unless you add oil.
Bret, I think it's inappropriate to predict doom to a new Impreza owner just because you have concerns about your car. While it's unfortunate that you and others do have oil consumption concerns, you are in the minority. There's a better chance that a new Impreza owner will not have an oil consumption issue.
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Old 12-20-2012, 10:44 PM   #2228
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^^ Agreed, the oil consumption issue is not the norm despite how it appears in this thread.
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Old 12-20-2012, 11:35 PM   #2229
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Bret, I think it's inappropriate to predict doom to a new Impreza owner just because you have concerns about your car. While it's unfortunate that you and others do have oil consumption concerns, you are in the minority. There's a better chance that a new Impreza owner will not have an oil consumption issue.
Although most are not following the recommended oci, majority of people probably fall into the severe service category and if they go 7500 their changes of seeing the lights definitely increases
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Old 12-21-2012, 01:08 AM   #2230
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i've been going back and forth with the dealership on this with my 2012 impreza since about march. per subaru of north america, it is perfectly normal for the 2012 impreza to consume up to a quart of oil every 1000-1500 miles, industry standard they say. the dealer started doing oil consumption tests, but based on my call with subaru earlier today it was ended prematurely. totally regret buying this car, had their been a big sticker on the window saying 'MAY REQUIRE UP TO A QUART OF OIL PER MONTH', i'd have definitely passed.
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Old 12-21-2012, 09:31 AM   #2231
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The new cases just keep on coming in!
Sorry to hear about your luck, dekser. I feel pretty much the same way.
I don't think BretAZ was necessarily forecasting gloom. Nor do I think ALL are oil-burners. But the problem is seemingly becoming more noticed as miles are put on these cars.
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Old 12-21-2012, 10:25 AM   #2232
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My car was in the midst of the Oil Consumption test - I was told to bring it back every 1200 miles and they would pull the dipstick and notate the usage. I brought it in a little early at 1100 miles from the time of their oil change that began the test because of the recall/reprogramming of the ECU. The tech notated no consumption/no oil added/ dipstick reads full on the paperwork. The car was driven on a long trip and returned to the dealership in 1600 miles and the oil light was on. They added a quart and notated 1 quart per 2800 miles and they asked if I wanted to have the oil changed as it was close to the 3500 mile requirement. Want to lose all respect for a service department in the matter of seconds... I asked if it was full 1600 miles ago, why say it consumed a quart in 2800 miles (notating that their math was incorrect all together).

Instead of banging my head against a wall in hopes of feeling better, I decided to drive away (with the low oil light still illuminated). It went out after 10 miles of driving. The car has 13000 miles on it and has had 2 dealership oil changes already - due at 16,500 for the third according to their sticker on the windshield which is based on a 6,500 mile OC interval.

My plan is to add the oil every other fill-up and deal with it until it reaches the threshold of consuming more than a quart in 1200 miles. Funny thing is when I first asked what normal consumption is between oil change intervals, I was told by 2 service writers and the mechanic that came out to talk to me when the car first experienced the low oil light coming on that it should not require any oil between changes. Boy how things changed on their part.

I totally agree with the statement that if told that your new Subaru may consume up to 1 quart of oil every 1200 miles, I would have said no thanks. By the way, my first car was a 1974 Vega - I loved that car and it actually didn't burn oil. I also have a VW TDI with 200,000 miles that doesn't burn oil (other costly repairs don't get me wrong). I project this car will not see a Subaru dealership until it reaches 30,000 miles and still within warranty before I address the consumption issue again. This way I don't end up getting my panties in a bunch and will be able to relax and enjoy the AWD when needed and half decent fuel economy. Quite frankly, it's the wife's car and she has a nostalgic attachment as her first car was a Subaru and her dad used to sell them...

Hug your kids and remember to put your problems into perspective. Merry Christmas to all and a Blessed New Year!
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Old 12-21-2012, 11:02 AM   #2233
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Oceanguy,

Out of curiosity, how did you break in your car? When was your first oil change? CVT or 5 spd?
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Old 12-21-2012, 11:38 AM   #2234
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Hug your kids and remember to put your problems into perspective. Merry Christmas to all and a Blessed New Year!
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Old 12-21-2012, 11:57 AM   #2235
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As mentioned - it's the wife's car so she pretty much did the breaking in portion - which was to drive it easy until fully warm - varying speed and rpms for the first couple thousand miles. It was at just over 3000 miles when the oil light came on for the first time (I added a full quart) and contacted the dealership. The earliest we could get it to them for an oil change was at around 5,000 miles but I may be off a little. I'll look at the work orders in the car to confirm when I am home. Second oil change around 10,000 miles and begun the oil consumption testing. It's a 5 speed.

A bit of background (possibly irrelevant), we purchased the car because the wife took a job an hour away and in an area where the weather can turn quickly and she works nights - so coming out to the car in the morning and having to get home in possibly inclement weather, we opted for the subaru. The first 9,000 miles or so were traveling to and from work about 45 miles and only about 11 miles of the trip was highway driving - the rest, mostly rural roads with a few traffic lights - averaging probably 28-29 mpgs. She then took a job closer to home (just 11 miles) and still in the 28-29 mpg average. The driving route was pretty conducive to taking it easy until fully warm as it is through a small rural town with speed limits 25 & 35 until you reach a stretch of 45-55 MPH roads and then back through 35 mph town until the highway ramp for the last 11 miles of the trek.

Personally, I don't believe the break-in process had anything to do with consumption. I just think some do and some are lucky enough that they don't. It is frustrating to be the one that does though... If I had to guess, it is due to nuclear radiation weakening the parts from the earthquake and tsunami

Hope that helps?

As an aside, I didn't join the forum to post problems - I am a car guy and join for the benefit of sharing information. My first post was the day we were picking up the car and posted the price paid. Second post was regarding the oil to use (as long as the container has the star burst, it is 100% acceptable to stay within warranty regardless of XwXX according to Subaru of America - but they never sent me the confirmation email when requested so take it for what it's worth via phone call to them). I am an avid reader and sometimes poster on many 6.5 diesel forums (96 Suburban 6.5 with 137,000 that leaks more oil than it could ever burn) and the TDIclub forum member (05 Passat TDI 200,000) never once added a drop of oil between 10k OCI but did just pro-actively replace the cam when doing the timing belt to get another 200,000 miles out of it knowing it wouldn't last to 300,000 miles before the cam/lifter demise.
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Old 12-21-2012, 12:12 PM   #2236
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My car was in the midst of the Oil Consumption test - I was told to bring it back every 1200 miles and they would pull the dipstick and notate the usage. I brought it in a little early at 1100 miles from the time of their oil change that began the test because of the recall/reprogramming of the ECU. The tech notated no consumption/no oil added/ dipstick reads full on the paperwork. The car was driven on a long trip and returned to the dealership in 1600 miles and the oil light was on. They added a quart and notated 1 quart per 2800 miles and they asked if I wanted to have the oil changed as it was close to the 3500 mile requirement. Want to lose all respect for a service department in the matter of seconds... I asked if it was full 1600 miles ago, why say it consumed a quart in 2800 miles (notating that their math was incorrect all together).
That's just blows me away... It's sounding more and more that the dealerships are going out of their way to skew these consumption tests! Either that, or the people that work at these dealership are just incompetent boobs. Either way, its not good for the consumer. :-(
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Old 12-21-2012, 12:25 PM   #2237
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Yeah, one constant with soa and dealers- incompetence or just plain dishonesty. And yeah, to work for subatru you apparently have to be bad at math.

Merry Xmas to all- but I do hope santa brings Grant, Desire', and all at SOA a big sooty lump of coal!
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Yeah, one constant with soa and dealers- incompetence or just plain dishonesty. And yeah, to work for subatru you apparently have to be bad at math.

Merry Xmas to all- but I do hope santa brings Grant, Desire', and all at SOA a big sooty lump of coal!
I don't think it is fair to label all dealers as incompetent people. That is neither truthful nor nice 79letour.
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Old 12-21-2012, 12:30 PM   #2239
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We seem to be getting a new oil burner or two a day now!
Maybe we'll get a recall letter/email for christmas, guys and gals. Well, at least that's what I'm asking santa for.
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Old 12-21-2012, 12:33 PM   #2240
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Bret, I think it's inappropriate to predict doom to a new Impreza owner just because you have concerns about your car. While it's unfortunate that you and others do have oil consumption concerns, you are in the minority. There's a better chance that a new Impreza owner will not have an oil consumption issue.
I am not predicting doom and gloom for anyone. After all, Subaru says this is perfectly normal, hardly doom and gloom. If Subaru tells me that this car will "consume" up to 1 qt every 1,000 miles you will have no oil in the car at the end of 7,500 miles. That is pretty simple math. Its not doom and gloom when the manufacturer tells you this is a characteric of the boxer engine. My major problem is that they don't tell you this when you are looking at and purchasing their product. They do make it a point though to show you how to set those ever important presets on your radio.

How many miles do you have on your car? What OCI are you following?
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Old 12-21-2012, 12:59 PM   #2241
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I am not predicting doom and gloom for anyone. After all, Subaru says this is perfectly normal, hardly doom and gloom. If Subaru tells me that this car will "consume" up to 1 qt every 1,000 miles you will have no oil in the car at the end of 7,500 miles. That is pretty simple math. Its not doom and gloom when the manufacturer tells you this is a characteric of the boxer engine. My major problem is that they don't tell you this when you are looking at and purchasing their product. They do make it a point though to show you how to set those ever important presets on your radio.

How many miles do you have on your car? What OCI are you following?
Subaru does not say it's normal. They say it's acceptable. Not ideal, but acceptable. Yes, if you have a car that Subaru says is performing acceptably, but just barely (that is to say, it consumes 1 qt every 1k miles), then you will need to add oil between oil changes.

My car is performing better than acceptably. It's performing very well. My OCI is currently every 5k, and I don't need to add any oil in that time. In fact, the level drops so little in 5k that I'm sure I could go the full 7.5k without adding oil. I did my first oil change at 1700 miles, and my 2nd change at 6700 miles. My car currently has 8500 miles on it.

It is my belief that most of the 2012+ Imprezas on the road behave more like mine than like yours. So to tell a new Impreza owner that he will definitely need to add oil between changes is just wrong. However, we do have enough cases of barely acceptable Imprezas out there that it would be a good idea for a new Impreza owner to check his oil frequently during the first 5k to 10k miles, until it's determined what his consumption rate is. I don't check my oil level as often as I did the first 6k miles because the level doesn't hardly change at all.

Don't get me wrong--I'm not saying that those of you with cars that do consume 1 qt every 1k miles should be happy about this. But don't go and tell a new owner who only has a few hundred miles on his car that he will need to add oil before the next oil change. In the 8.5k miles I've put on my car, I've never added any oil between changes, and I think my situation is more common than yours.
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Old 12-21-2012, 01:02 PM   #2242
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FWIW I am at the dealer for the software update (regarding engine temp). Realizing that I haven't been here to have them change my oil they cautioned me to save my receipts (I do).

But I did ask if they have many complaints about oil consumption with the new Impreza, and they told me no.

It probably depends upon who you ask, and what your situation is. My friend who bought her car alongside me (not on the forum) may have the oil consumption issue, as she has seen her oil light come on.

Of course this does not mean 50% of the cars are burning oil! Just that it is a problem, probably not that widespread, and if I had one burning oil I would also be pissed, but at the same time collecting names of individual users with the same problem, a group that can approach SOA together is better than one person trying to resolve it themself.

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Old 12-21-2012, 01:07 PM   #2243
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I think criticism of dealers and soa is more than justified, as those of us with problems are seeing a pretty standard pattern of behavior from the dealers and soa.
I'm sure there are some great dealers out there, but a lot of us have even shopped around and tried multiple dealers and still the pattern of dismissal, incompetence, ignorance, and denial are pretty universal.
And as much as I have been criticized, insulted, etc, I don't see why criticizing soa or dealers is so wrong. All we are doing is discussing our experiences as consumers.
Boy, that sure does ruffle some feathers. There are enough threads on nasioc that if being critical or voicing our dissatisfaction isn't something you want to read, you surely don't have to.
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Well, it appears as though my 0W30 experiment is a total fail. Just under 1200 miles on this fill and the oil light came on. This means I'm probably about 3/4 qaurt low. Going to verify once I get home.

I'm very inclined to agree with 79 now that oil weight and brand make no difference in consumption rate.

Man this sucks! I really wish I had the means to get out of this $hit box right now. I would take just about anything at this point, even the new Neon. Oops... I mean Dart. ;-)
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Old 12-21-2012, 01:22 PM   #2245
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FWIW I am at the dealer for the software update (regarding engine temp). Realizing that I haven't been here to have them change my oil they cautioned me to save my receipts (I do).

But I did ask if they have many complaints about oil consumption with the new Impreza, and they told me no.

It probably depends upon who you ask, and what your situation is. My friend who bought her car alongside me (not on the forum) may have the oil consumption issue, as she has seen her oil light come on.

Of course this does not mean 50% of the cars are burning oil! Just that it is a problem, probably not that widespread, and if I had one burning oil I would also be pissed, but at the same time collecting names of individual users with the same problem, a group that can approach SOA together is better than one person trying to resolve it themself.

Amen.
Amen to that! Brother!

I have sorta been thinking that we should organize!
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I think criticism of dealers and soa is more than justified, as those of us with problems are seeing a pretty standard pattern of behavior from the dealers and soa.
I'm sure there are some great dealers out there, but a lot of us have even shopped around and tried multiple dealers and still the pattern of dismissal, incompetence, ignorance, and denial are pretty universal.
And as much as I have been criticized, insulted, etc, I don't see why criticizing soa or dealers is so wrong. All we are doing is discussing our experiences as consumers.
Boy, that sure does ruffle some feathers. There are enough threads on nasioc that if being critical or voicing our dissatisfaction isn't something you want to read, you surely don't have to.
I am not saying you can't criticize the dealers you have dealt with, but you shouldn't generalize all dealers as incompetent is all I'm saying. Perhaps I can prejudge your attitude with your interactions with said dealers based on your attitude on this forum? Makes sense doesn't it?
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Thanks for doing the 0w30 experiment, Jrobb!
Any experience/data we can gather is good. Sucks when you get your hopes up though! I had high hopes when I tried the w30, but it burned as fast or faster. Since all signs don't point to brand/viscosity I'm not further experimenting, and am not happy I even had to resort to that. I'll just stick with whatever 0w20 is cheapest from now on.
Looks like M1 next time. There are a couple cheaper brands, but if I can find a wallyworld that has 5qt jugs, I'll grab a couple.
As much as I know you're frustrated, I think you should hold on to the car (I think we're both about as stuck anyhow) and wait. As others start to get miles on their cars, I'm sure even more will notice consumption. Maybe santa will give us a recall. Or maybe a tsb for new years. Although, I doubt it, since they still haven't figured out the random cases of consumption on the 2011+ foresters.
But have a good weekend and xmas man, and go do a donut or two on some dirt. Driving on a good dirt road always makes me like the car at least for a few minutes!

And Zeeper- you have a happy holiday weekend yourself. Yankee!
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Subaru does not say it's normal. They say it's acceptable. Not ideal, but acceptable. Yes, if you have a car that Subaru says is performing acceptably, but just barely (that is to say, it consumes 1 qt every 1k miles), then you will need to add oil between oil changes.

My car is performing better than acceptably. It's performing very well. My OCI is currently every 5k, and I don't need to add any oil in that time. In fact, the level drops so little in 5k that I'm sure I could go the full 7.5k without adding oil. I did my first oil change at 1700 miles, and my 2nd change at 6700 miles. My car currently has 8500 miles on it.

It is my belief that most of the 2012+ Imprezas on the road behave more like mine than like yours. So to tell a new Impreza owner that he will definitely need to add oil between changes is just wrong. However, we do have enough cases of barely acceptable Imprezas out there that it would be a good idea for a new Impreza owner to check his oil frequently during the first 5k to 10k miles, until it's determined what his consumption rate is. I don't check my oil level as often as I did the first 6k miles because the level doesn't hardly change at all.

Don't get me wrong--I'm not saying that those of you with cars that do consume 1 qt every 1k miles should be happy about this. But don't go and tell a new owner who only has a few hundred miles on his car that he will need to add oil before the next oil change. In the 8.5k miles I've put on my car, I've never added any oil between changes, and I think my situation is more common than yours.
You are putting words in my mouth. If you go back and read my post I said you will "most likely", I never said "definitely". And as I suspected, you are following a different OCI than me. I am following the OCI that I was told to follow by the dealership and SOA. I don't know if my car is burning oil or not. Hell, I can't get two people to give me the same answer when I ask them if my car is low on oil when it is between the two marks on the dip stick. And yes, both lights are coming on when the oil level is in the dead center of the two marks.

What I am most pissed off about is that SOA has done NOTHING to address the issue of oil lights coming on, done NOTHING to address peoples concerns, and pretend to be unaware of any concerns that owners are having.
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Well, it appears as though my 0W30 experiment is a total fail. Just under 1200 miles on this fill and the oil light came on. This means I'm probably about 3/4 qaurt low. Going to verify once I get home.

I'm very inclined to agree with 79 now that oil weight and brand make no difference in consumption rate.

Man this sucks! I really wish I had the means to get out of this $hit box right now. I would take just about anything at this point, even the new Neon. Oops... I mean Dart. ;-)
We just picked up a 2012 Versa S hatch special edition with nav brand new for $14.5. bought it to replace our 1999 Toyota Solara that gave us 0 problems at 142k miles. I was looking at them last nite and thinking of dumping the Subie for another one.
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You are putting words in my mouth. If you go back and read my post I said you will "most likely", I never said "definitely".
Fair enough. But my interpretation of "most likely" is "greater than a 50% chance". I don't think that there's >50% chance that any Impreza rolling off the assembly line will consume enough oil that some will need to be added between oil changes.

As for your oil light, I'd say that if the light is coming on when your oil level is between the two marks, then I'd suspect that your oil level sensor is bad. If your level is between the two marks (when the car is sitting on level ground), then your oil isn't low enough to trigger an oil level warning. I wouldn't expect a warning until you are down 1 quart, and at that point, I'd expect the oil level to be on the bottom "add a quart" dot.
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