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Old 01-12-2013, 09:42 AM   #2401
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Perhaps it's a radical comparison, but what would happen to SOA if they simply ignore the issues happening to the small percentage of trusted buyers of Scoobies.....rumors start spreading....things go from bad to worse...then who knows.
This is Volkswagen's business model. It seems to be working well for them.
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Old 01-12-2013, 10:07 AM   #2402
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And precisely why my last VW was a 97 Jetta Trek. I knew to jum ship that far back.
As far as I ever knew before this purchase, Subaru's were rugged and lasted forever. And no one I ever came across with a Subaru had too much maintenance or worries. I really didnt have to buy a NEW car, but all the reviews, and CR and others, made me think this was THE car for me.
I love the car other than the oil BS and the seats. Some of the rattkes have even went away.
But the gremlins are piling up with this thing.
I ha this preconceived idea that Subaru was a company that stood behind its products. But me and other buyers have been left in the cold so to speak. No answers. No updates. No indication that FHI or SOA are doing anything about it.
On another note. Its my birthday. I washed waxed and detailed it. cleaned the oil residue off the rear, topped off my oil. Car still looks fairly new for being over a year old now.
Gonna need some touchup paint. theres a huge flake missing under the fender lip. surface rust will ensue.
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Old 01-12-2013, 10:12 AM   #2403
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When I was married we bought an '02 GTI and the tranny went out at 2k miles. VW was pretty awesome about fixing it fast though. I lost faith big time and would never buy a bew vw.
My girlfriend and I are in the market for a late 70's VW popup camper and a Volvo 240 wagon. Theyre ugly but the swedish bricks are solid. If I had it all to do over I'd buy a really clean nice 240 and still have a load of dough to buy a Westy.
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Old 01-12-2013, 12:35 PM   #2404
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I spoke to my friend regarding oil consumption issues. He said that they have been doing many Forester FB short blocks and a couple of Impreza as well. SOA is fixing motors as they are being diagnosed , so not to worry they will fix engines that are excessively consuming oil.
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Old 01-12-2013, 02:01 PM   #2405
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I spoke to my friend regarding oil consumption issues. He said that they have been doing many Forester FB short blocks and a couple of Impreza as well. SOA is fixing motors as they are being diagnosed , so not to worry they will fix engines that are excessively consuming oil.
That's good news. I'm glad to hear something is being done.

Unfortunately, those of us who are just below the quart per 1200 mile allowance, are probably still SOL.
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Old 01-12-2013, 02:36 PM   #2406
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That's good news. I'm glad to hear something is being done.

Unfortunately, those of us who are just below the quart per 1200 mile allowance, are probably still SOL.
Drive your car like you stole it! That has to contribute to the consumption a bit.
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Old 01-13-2013, 02:00 PM   #2407
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Drive your car like you stole it! That has to contribute to the consumption a bit.
"Accidentally" remove some oil if that's what it takes to nudge you over the edge...

I kid, I kid :-P
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Old 01-13-2013, 02:12 PM   #2408
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"Accidentally" remove some oil if that's what it takes to nudge you over the edge...

I kid, I kid :-P
That actually wouldn't be difficult seeing as I have a Fumoto valve installed.

I Just want to go on record by saying I would never, ever consider doing such a thing... wink, wink.

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Old 01-13-2013, 05:00 PM   #2409
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Yea, I never quite understood the need to follow this thread if you were going to bash 79. I understand following it just out of curiosity like myself, but I've been on his side the entire time and I have the 2007 2.5i engine. I only followed it because in case we trade it in I wanna know what NOT to do.

As far as Zeeper ignoring him...why not just avoid this thread? Then...not only avoid...he had to tell him he was going to ignore him...strange.
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Old 01-13-2013, 08:04 PM   #2410
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I spoke to my friend regarding oil consumption issues. <snip>
SOA is fixing motors as they are being diagnosed , so not to worry they will fix engines that are excessively consuming oil.
Can you ask him to hurry up and fix 79letour's Impreza ?
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Old 01-13-2013, 08:51 PM   #2411
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ST Eye, which part of the engine does your friend say is at fault for the consumption?

Has Subaru revised the FB20 or FB25 to fix this problem, and if so, when?

If Subaru fits tighter rings, they should definitely redo fuel economy tests.

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Old 01-14-2013, 09:24 AM   #2412
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I wish ST's friend would post.
And thanks alpha, for the kind words and support. You too John and Jrobb.
Had a kickass bday this weekend! And my best friend made me the coolest present ever. A nice silber decal of a popular cartoon character pouring a can of gas on the subaru logo. Its going on the rear window!!!
Oh and a "Real men play Mandolin" graphic.
lol time to customize!!
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Old 01-14-2013, 09:28 AM   #2413
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Yea, I never quite understood the need to follow this thread if you were going to bash 79. I understand following it just out of curiosity like myself, but I've been on his side the entire time and I have the 2007 2.5i engine. I only followed it because in case we trade it in I wanna know what NOT to do.

As far as Zeeper ignoring him...why not just avoid this thread? Then...not only avoid...he had to tell him he was going to ignore him...strange.
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Your post echoes my thinking.
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Old 01-14-2013, 03:52 PM   #2414
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79,

I have been following this thread since mid summer when my Wife's 2012 Impreza's low oil level light started coming on. Fast forward to today, she was called a couple hours ago from our Dealer that SOA is going to replace the short block.

FWIW, this 2012 Impreza has ~22,000 miles on it.

We started a consumption test with the dealer back in Oct/Nov at an oil change.
  • The first check after 1000-1200 miles was zero oil consumption.
  • Second check another 1000-1200 miles later was just a couple ounces.
  • Third check was about 1000 miles later due to the low oil level light coming on, used about 24 ounces.
  • 4th check, ~850 miles later due to the low oil level light begin on, used 30 ounces.
  • The next check was on 12/28/12 due to the low oil level light, don't recall the miles but it used a full quart.
  • Then 1/4/13, 650 miles later the low oil level light came on again and it took a full quart.

The dealer contacted SOA 1/7/13 and today we were told that they would be replacing the short block.

So, we are waiting for the short block, Dealer said it would be a couple weeks. But for now, we'll change the oil and filter and wait. I'll post back after we get the engine changed.
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Old 01-14-2013, 04:09 PM   #2415
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That's great news, weasle! I'm sure it has been a big hassle and a huge inconvenience, but at least something is getting done about your oil consumption problem.

Hopefully we'll start seeing more and more cases of people getting their short blocks replaced.

I'm sure Subaru is trying to keep all this as quiet as possible, but hopefully the media will catch on soon the more people complain and get their engines fixed. Maybe then Subaru will change it's tune and be more willing to help those affected with oil burning turds.
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Old 01-14-2013, 04:15 PM   #2416
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Weasle, why bother changing the oil/filter on an engine that will be replaced in a couple of weeks. Why bother?

Otherwise, congrats on the good news.
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Old 01-14-2013, 04:18 PM   #2417
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Has the design been changed, or are they replacing short blocks with the same kind?
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Old 01-14-2013, 04:27 PM   #2418
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That's great news, weasle! I'm sure it has been a big hassle and a huge inconvenience, but at least something is getting done about your oil consumption problem.

Hopefully we'll start seeing more and more cases of people getting their short blocks replaced.

I'm sure Subaru is trying to keep all this as quiet as possible, but hopefully the media will catch on soon the more people complain and get their engines fixed. Maybe then Subaru will change it's tune and be more willing to help those affected with oil burning turds.

Big hassle, no. Inconvenience, yes. Being it is my Wife's car and not mine. Our Dealer has been very helpful so far.

The Service Manager at our Dealer was very helpful, especially after it used a full quart in 650 miles / 1 week. He told my wife that was unacceptable in his opinion, however it was ultimately SOA's call.

Where it's going and why, I don't know. Personally I think the oil control rings either aren't seated or are too low tension and the cold weather we had in late December exaggerated the situation. The dealer did a compression test on it 1/7/13 and it passed. A compression test doesn't indicate the health of the oil control rings, just the compression rings ability to seal the piston to cylinder wall.

My Wife and I have been discussing what to do and had decided that, after using a quart in 650 miles, it was going to be a short block or a new WRX Premium. I'm still tempted to trade my 12 Outback on a new WRX. :-)
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Old 01-14-2013, 04:28 PM   #2419
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Weasle, why bother changing the oil/filter on an engine that will be replaced in a couple of weeks. Why bother?

Otherwise, congrats on the good news.
Just a guess, but only part of the engine is being replaced, but the whole engine requires clean and filtered oil to operate correctly and to prevent wear.
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Old 01-14-2013, 04:30 PM   #2420
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Weasle, why bother changing the oil/filter on an engine that will be replaced in a couple of weeks. Why bother?

Otherwise, congrats on the good news.
Because it is due and so as not to give SOA any reason to say we didn't follow scheduled maintenance. $30 to ensure She gets a new short block, small price IMHO.

It will be over due by an easy 1,000 miles in a couple weeks. Wife drives about 28,000 mile / year.
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Old 01-14-2013, 04:32 PM   #2421
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Has the design been changed, or are they replacing short blocks with the same kind?
No idea.
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Old 01-14-2013, 04:43 PM   #2422
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Just a guess, but only part of the engine is being replaced, but the whole engine requires clean and filtered oil to operate correctly and to prevent wear.
Understood. I would hope that changing the oil would be part of the short block replacement procedure. If it wasn't, then I'd change the oil AFTER the short block was replaced, not before.
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I would change it after also, and probably 1,000 miles in.
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Old 01-14-2013, 06:12 PM   #2424
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For those with cars that are burning a lot of oil, I would suggest putting up a bit of stink over the possible condition of the front catalytic converter.

All of that oil being burned and/or dumped into the front cat. is not good for it, and could severely shorten the life of the converter.

I know the emissions warranty is 5yr/50K, but I'd expect the system to last well beyond that under normal circumstances. You don't need the converter failing at 50,001 miles.

I'm assuming that the oil isn't making it to the second converter, but...
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Understood. I would hope that changing the oil would be part of the short block replacement procedure. If it wasn't, then I'd change the oil AFTER the short block was replaced, not before.
You guys gotta be kidding. Of course a short block gets new oil.
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