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Old 10-25-2012, 03:35 PM   #26
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Then explain why the EJ253 was absolute junk and the EJ255 and EJ257 were far more reliable in the sense of coolant and oil leaks?
What does deck design have to do with fluid leaks?
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Old 10-25-2012, 07:38 PM   #27
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Your claim is vastly flawed. The FA20 is the only motor that utilizes DI, the FB25 FB20 do not. In my opinion DI is over hyped. Hyundai and Audi are already reporting carbon build up that leads to substantial power loss. Honda is now just starting to do DI because everyone else has this. Honda can easily bypass DI by incorporating Lean Burn mode into all of their engines. They could also do iDSI which uses 2 spark plugs per cylinder to increase mpg.

Now back to the FA/FB motor. From what I have read it's still an open deck motor which is an absolute disaster. The EJ255 is close deck which made it so much more reliable. I also think it's outdated to use timing chains. They are harder to replace more costly and stretch over time. Oh and they make the motor noisy.
Never said the FB was direct injection. No EJ25 it's a closed deck. It sounds like you don't like the 253 because you don't know how to take care of it and want a car that you can turn the key and never think about again. Most of us, however, enjoy the maintenance aspect of owning a vehicle.

Spinning any motor to 11k rpm will make big power. No motor that comes in an economic compact will do that for very long without major internal and oiling system work.

If you are butt hurt about your Subaru not being what you hoped, go to General and bring your soap box with you.


OP - PM'd Crawford about the FA exhaust manifold, they said its the same spacing, bolt pattern as all the dual port EJ's, so if you can find out if the FB is the same in that regard you can use any headers that fit the FA/EJ motors. Not all of them will be ideal for the FB20 but I'm sure some will be better than stock.
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Old 10-26-2012, 02:37 AM   #28
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and all that money and time for a 15 second car.
I can take your STi or WTX once I'm fully built any day. The Impreza is a boat compared to the CR-Z or Fit. This will be a Auto X race not a lame from a dig race unless I can get the KW of the electric motor to produce 20 more hp. Lets not forget 180hp is just the gas motor not the electric included so 193hp is a more accurate number. 193 is plenty for such a small car. I'll be in 3rd at 11krpm while you'll be in 5th by the time I reach 4th. I love how S2000 shock STi/EVO owners when they pull them so hard as the rev high.
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Old 10-26-2012, 06:15 AM   #30
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I can take your STi or WRX once I'm fully built any day. The Impreza is a boat compared to the CR-Z or Fit. This will be a Auto X race not a lame from a dig race unless I can get the KW of the electric motor to produce 20 more hp. Lets not forget 180hp is just the gas motor not the electric included so 193hp is a more accurate number. 193 is plenty for such a small car. I'll be in 3rd at 11krpm while you'll be in 5th by the time I reach 4th. I love how S2000 shock STi/EVO owners when they pull them so hard as the rev high.
Poor guy. He is trying so hard...
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Never said the FB was direct injection. No EJ25 it's a closed deck. It sounds like you don't like the 253 because you don't know how to take care of it and want a car that you can turn the key and never think about again. Most of us, however, enjoy the maintenance aspect of owning a vehicle.

Spinning any motor to 11k rpm will make big power. No motor that comes in an economic compact will do that for very long without major internal and oiling system work.

If you are butt hurt about your Subaru not being what you hoped, go to General and bring your soap box with you.


OP - PM'd Crawford about the FA exhaust manifold, they said its the same spacing, bolt pattern as all the dual port EJ's, so if you can find out if the FB is the same in that regard you can use any headers that fit the FA/EJ motors. Not all of them will be ideal for the FB20 but I'm sure some will be better than stock.
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I can take your STi or WTX once I'm fully built any day. The Impreza is a boat compared to the CR-Z or Fit. This will be a Auto X race not a lame from a dig race unless I can get the KW of the electric motor to produce 20 more hp. Lets not forget 180hp is just the gas motor not the electric included so 193hp is a more accurate number. 193 is plenty for such a small car. I'll be in 3rd at 11krpm while you'll be in 5th by the time I reach 4th.
I didn't realize that bench racing ricers still existed.
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And then the rear diff implodes and the S2k loses.
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I didn't realize that bench racing ricers still existed.


And then the rear diff implodes and the S2k loses.
LOL explode? Explain? Honda is far superior to Subaru. Nissan is even superior to Subaru
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Honda is far superior to Subaru. Nissan is even superior to Subaru
You do remember that you're on a Subaru forum, correct?

This is like me going on grasscity's forum and saying "oh you dumb potheads, blah blah blah."
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Stop feeding the trolls.
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I'm waiting for cams and more robust coils. The L15 can make 180hp at 11k rpm with cams and springs.I'm also looking into rods as well. Nitros is garbage my Si that revved to 9k didn't need nitros or turbo or charger to beat cars that had those implemented. NA all the way..... Hondata is not working on the second ECU that controls the electric motor and several companies are working on batteries with higher energy densities for the CR-Z/Insight.
You do know I was being a smartass, right?

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Old 10-26-2012, 05:22 PM   #39
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LOL explode? Explain? Honda is far superior to Subaru. Nissan is even superior to Subaru
Man you're dumb. Explode ≠ implode. And go check Google, and you'll see that the S2k, at least the first generation, has issues with the rear differential.
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Are you saying a stock wrx/sti over your 'fully built honda' don't get me wrong honda's have there place and are very reliable, then again a lot of cars are if you treat them right with routine maintenance. I'm agreeing with gee otto, your comparing apples to oranges.

The ej253 wasn't intended to be pushed and abused like the ej255/7's are. Why spend more money on using a semi closed deck when the ej253's open deck is just fine for it's job, if your pushing it a lot and not taking care of it you should have spent a little more money and got the engine that was made for it

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Old 10-27-2012, 09:27 PM   #41
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LOL explode? Explain? Honda is far superior to Subaru. Nissan is even superior to Subaru
whao whao!!!!!! i actually own a S2000 and have put a lot of time and money into it. I used it in drag races which i was 2nd in my state in my class and i mainly use it for autox now. I can tell you the rear diff wont explode while racing. it just explode at the beginning when launched. LOL i had to rebuild my diff twice. i upgraded to 4.44 FD and was rebuilt by puddydad using a stage 1.5+ and that even broke.

but seriously, ghidorah, i am a die hard fan of honda too. my first car was a honda and my dream car is a NSX, somewhere part of honda. but man calm down. subaru and honda have different philosophies. also, "I love how S2000 shock STi/EVO owners when they pull them so hard as the rev high". yeah that doesn't happen of a stock vs stock platform. but my S2000 would put up a fight against any evo or sti. i have even competed against porches and corvettes. but in any of those races, i dont think i have ever "pulled" them. if you look at any race stock to stock im pretty sure evo and sti will beat any honda/acura in production today. but if you are trying to race a modded car vs a stock car, that is just plain dumb. it's like if i were to race a stock evo, that would be dumb. yes i would dominate his car. but if he put as much money as i did into my car, i would get my ass handed to me.

are hondas and toyotas superior than subaru? depends where. reliability? both are pretty good. cost to keep, yea hondas probably wins. awd? no, not even close.

but the only point i somewhat agree/disagree in that the FB20 in the impreza 2.0 should not be modified. i mean this is an economy car. unless you have money that you are tired of burning in a fireplace and you put it into this car then yea fine your money. but such a waste to put headers,exhaust,intake trying to make power. i bought this car for the economy and when i owned it for a while i began to laugh at the ricers more. why waste your money.

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Old 10-27-2012, 09:28 PM   #42
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Man you're dumb. Explode ≠ implode. And go check Google, and you'll see that the S2k, at least the first generation, has issues with the rear differential.
definitely implode, wasn't the first generations. mine in a 2006 and it still goes kaboom.
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Well put ans2k
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also if you want proof of imploding diff, here is a pic of my rebuilt diff. btw, ans2k is alan nguyen s2000.
also, reliability is tough to measure on race cars.
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OP - PM'd Crawford about the FA exhaust manifold, they said its the same spacing, bolt pattern as all the dual port EJ's, so if you can find out if the FB is the same in that regard you can use any headers that fit the FA/EJ motors.
Yes and no. The bolt pattern and spacing is the same, but the oil pan on the FB is very different than on the FA and EJ. Will headers designed for the FA fit the FB? Maybe, I'm sure this will soon be determined either way.

Will headers for the EJ fit the FB? Most likely not. The factory EJ253 headers hit the oil pan and the lower sitting coolant line on the FB. The headers I make for the EJ253 also hit the oil pan and lower sitting coolant line on the FB. I haven't tried test fitting the other style EJ headers on the FB yet, but they may run into the same problem areas and/or the chassis.

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but such a waste to put headers,exhaust,intake trying to make power. i bought this car for the economy and when i owned it for a while i began to laugh at the ricers more. why waste your money.
Because the many guys who choose to spend their money on headers,exhaust,intake trying to make power, don't consider it a waste.

You bought this car for economy and not performance? Good for you. I respect your decision not to "waste" your money on performance parts. I would hope you are able to respect the decision of others who have a opinion that differs from yours...

And yes, since my income is dependent on guys who choose to "waste" their money in this manner, my personal opinion is very very biased
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Because the many guys who choose to spend their money on headers,exhaust,intake trying to make power, don't consider it a waste.

You bought this car for economy and not performance? Good for you. I respect your decision not to "waste" your money on performance parts. I would hope you are able to respect the decision of others who have a opinion that differs from yours...

And yes, since my income is dependent on guys who choose to "waste" their money in this manner, my personal opinion is very very biased
oops, i shouldn't be to haste to say it is a waste. it is true, it is their car their money. not mine. just in my opinion that coming from a sport car, this car could never compete in the racing world. i suppose it wouldn't be a waste for people who would enjoy knowing their impreza is slightly faster than mine. lol i do respect their decision to do whatever they want to do to their own car. just please don't go saying "my impreza would own yours" because in the real world it doesnt matter. trust me i waste tons of money on performance parts, just not on this car. thinking about it, the money i spent on the s2k could have bought another one of these.

i also, admire what you do, creating "performance" parts. it used to annoy me when i saw economy cars with "performance" parts, header/intake/exhaust/etc, would try to race me in my s2k. im just more annoy now owning one. i just think there is no way my impreza could every come close to the performance of the s2k and why do people want to mod their economy cars. the simple answer is that they just do. i dont agree, but i understand why and will respect that. way off topic.

my only point was against Ghidouche for hating on subaru, thinking his 193 horsepower honda is da bes. subaru has their strong and weak points as do hondas and toyotas.
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Agreed, in all reality where will performance parts get you on a performance car ten years from now or more, possibly sitting in a junk yard for scrap? It's just something we like to do. I know the headers I got from blks6 has little power gain if any on my car, I love the sound though, and the time I spent putting it in, and I hope to see performance headers for the fb/fa engine from him someday as I'm sure many others will
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Given that the context that prompted this comment was gearbox and differential related, I'm just going to point out that all three companies mentioned use Aisin gearboxes and differentials in most, if not all, of their vehicles...
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Forget the S2000. Lets move on to other various Honda's The Japanese Integra Type R with K20A can easily beat a STi in stock to stock form. The STi maybe AWD but it's heavy and is like a boat. I've seen older Si's with the B16 beat a WRX.




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Forget the S2000. Lets move on to other various Honda's The Japanese Integra Type R with K20A can easily beat a STi in stock to stock form. The STi maybe AWD but it's heavy and is like a boat. I've seen older Si's with the B16 beat a WRX.

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