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Old 06-05-2012, 10:36 AM   #1
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I just test drove a brz and loved it. I am trying to justify buying one because it's something I'd have to trade in my wrx and spend most of my savings and still have a loan on. They keep telling me at the dealer only 750 of these are being released to north America, is this true? That will greatly affect my decision.
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Old 06-05-2012, 11:15 AM   #2
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They increased the production number already. I think 750 is a low number.
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Old 06-05-2012, 11:20 AM   #3
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I want something rare for my next car. Maybe I'll wait for the sti version if I do buy this car at any point
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Old 06-05-2012, 12:22 PM   #4
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Since the entire car would need redesigning to fit an intercooler, turbo and appropriate piping, I wouldn't hold out for an "STI" version, especially since that would eat into the sales of the WRX/STI moreso than it's already doing (unintentionally and to varying degrees).

Even when Subaru showed the STI Concept, all they did to it was tweak the suspension and body and lighten the car. There was no hoodscoop to help cool a turbo.

Get a BRZ while you CAN get a BRZ.
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Old 06-05-2012, 12:27 PM   #5
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The sti version that is in production is not a turbocharged version, it's the same engine pushing 50 more horse with upgraded suspension, brakes and better looks, well worth waiting for. I want one if these because I am sick of turbochargers. Realistically it would be smarter financially for me to save my money until the sti version is released. It is in production and luckily with no turbo! Sti doesn't stand for omg turbocharger.

http://www.topspeed.com/cars/subaru/...-ar127134.html

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...lopment-report

I don't want to buy a BRZ, like I bought a WRX only to have a more powerful one come out and also to find out that this car is not as rare and unique as I keep being told it is. They should have had a set number on each BRZ like they do with the nismo 350's where each one has a plaque inside telling what number out of 1500 it is. That would make this car a way better collectors car. They will either start pumping out way more of them or making a slightly improved one. I doubt this will be the only year this car gets made.
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Old 06-05-2012, 12:32 PM   #6
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There isn't an STi version in production currently. Not sure where you are getting the 50 extra hp number from. I would be surprised if they get that. I would expect to see a loss of weight though.

I wouldn't hold your breath for an STi version for at least a couple years.
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Old 06-05-2012, 12:38 PM   #7
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I want something rare for my next car. Maybe I'll wait for the sti version if I do buy this car at any point
If you want something rare don't buy anything from Subaru or Toyota. None are going to be rare.
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Old 06-05-2012, 12:47 PM   #8
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well it initially seemed cool when the salesmen told me only 700 are being made, and then 750 and now 750 is a low number.

IF i have to wait a few years for an STI version, I will, but as my initial question is answered that there are in fact going to be more of these made than I was told by the subaru dealer, I don't think I shall be buying one any time soon.

It was a joy to drive, but not enough power for me, I can definitely appreciate its handling, but I'm used to a turbocharger and driving my friends V6's and what not. If I did have the money to spend right now I probably would buy one and put some mods in and take it a track, but I think I'll stick to the track with my WRX for now until I have 25k to throw around at a new car.
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Old 06-05-2012, 12:50 PM   #9
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If your dealer thinks that Subaru is only supplying the US with 750 BRZs you need to find a new dealer. Last number I saw was 6000 and they were talking about upping it due to 2500 already being spoken for.
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Old 06-05-2012, 12:53 PM   #10
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Thanks for clarifying that you're not a turbocharger fan boy. That somewhat changes my response.

Yes, a 250HP NA engine would ROCK, but overall reviews show that the standard 200HP is plenty for what this car's purpose is, so to wait a few years for 50 more horsepower seems fairly contradictory to me given what you want and expect.

Keep in mind that "rare" is relative. This community is small, so people know each other, but there are still a TON of people that check out turbocharged Subarus (or Subarus that aren't the Outback/Legacy/Forester/Impreza) as head-turners. My WRX is almost 2 years old and I STILL get compliments and looks. *shrug* If you want to keep it "rare" then move away from where they're popular.

Example: A BRZ in Alaska or somewhere with a lot of snow would be considered "rare", and conversely a WRX/STI in Malibu/San Diego might be considered rare since either seems inappropriate to those territories.

If you buy a BRZ NOW then, IF the BRZ STI comes out, you can just switch up. The money isn't lost if you enjoyed the BRZ during that time.
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Old 06-05-2012, 01:03 PM   #11
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yeah I guess so, I'm just trying to justify spending the money and if I even can, as I am paying off my wrx still. I do get what ya mean about head turners though, theres not a subie that I don't look at or wave at when I drive around anywhere.

My turbocharger causes nothing but problems, I went from being a turbo fan boy to being a turbo hater, I'm jealous of my friends NA cars because they don't have to give up their car for a week or so every time their turbo mysteriously blows. I ended up with a lemon of a car thats blown 3 turbos in 15k miles defying all logic and the dealership slaps in new ones under warranty and doesn't actually identify why the turbos keep blowing.
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Old 06-05-2012, 01:18 PM   #12
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50 more horse with the N/A 2L STi version?

They are making about 2k of these badboys. This year is slightly limited because of the demand for other models that are produced on the same assembly line.

Its a toe in the water. Subaru did the same thing in 97/98 w/ the 2.5RS.
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Old 06-05-2012, 02:03 PM   #13
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They said in an article (I can't remember where) that the STi version will have different intake and exhaust manifolds along with some other things. They expect to get the extra 50hp by doing that.

Also, they've confirmed about 6000 in the states for the 2013MY and about 20k of the SCION variant.
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Old 06-05-2012, 02:25 PM   #14
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The 750 number is completely inaccurate...
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Old 06-05-2012, 02:49 PM   #15
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Guess I won't be buying a brz from this dealership then haha
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Old 06-05-2012, 03:05 PM   #16
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Toyota is making 20000 of their version of this car. That's not rare.
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Old 06-05-2012, 03:13 PM   #17
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Maybe they are getting 750 in the state? We are getting about 15 at my dealer and if there are others with the same or similar allocation, that would mean only about 50 dealers are getting them. That number is completely off!
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Old 06-05-2012, 03:15 PM   #18
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6k year one for Subaru BRZ, 20k for Toy Scion version, kinda like the 3500 SVX first year.
Subaru and Toyota have a contract, in which the details, Subaru cannot produce a turbo version for the first 5 years..So expect a Turbo model Sti in 5 years soonest, and maybe they will make it AWD then.
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Old 06-05-2012, 03:22 PM   #19
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I don't want this car to be rare. I want it to sell in enough numbers to justify the high cost of developing it, and the low price that they sell it for. Artificially deflating production numbers for a series vehicle lets dealers mark them up, but Subaru doesn't get a cent from pissing off owners in this way.
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Subaru and Toyota have a contract, in which the details, Subaru cannot produce a turbo version for the first 5 years..So expect a Turbo model Sti in 5 years soonest, and maybe they will make it AWD then.
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They said in an article (I can't remember where) that the STi version will have different intake and exhaust manifolds along with some other things. They expect to get the extra 50hp by doing that.

Also, they've confirmed about 6000 in the states for the 2013MY and about 20k of the SCION variant.
If you know anything about how HP works you know this is not possible without increasing the redline significantly. If subaru could do this, it would put them near the top of specific torque figures for NA engines.

Ferrari 458 currently holds the title at 89 lbft per liter. To make 250hp at 7000rpm the BRZ would need 187lbft of torque at 7000rpm (its current HP peak) which translates to 93lbft per liter.

Doesnt seem very likely for a 26K sports coupe.
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Old 06-05-2012, 04:17 PM   #22
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I'm kind of in the same boat as to wait for the STi version. Making power with a turbo is MUCH easier than a NA, so that extra 50hp is nice. But a lighter and better looking car is appealing as well. I'm curious how much the STi version ould be over the limited.

STi version starting around $30-32?
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as long as its still naturally aspirated i'll buy it.
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I think the spread for an STi BRZ will be higher than for the WRX/STi spread. Taking out weight and adding power on the NA will be pricier. I wouldn't be shocked to see $35k+ for the base on any STi model.
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If you know anything about how HP works you know this is not possible without increasing the redline significantly. If subaru could do this, it would put them near the top of specific torque figures for NA engines.

Ferrari 458 currently holds the title at 89 lbft per liter. To make 250hp at 7000rpm the BRZ would need 187lbft of torque at 7000rpm (its current HP peak) which translates to 93lbft per liter.

Doesnt seem very likely for a 26K sports coupe.
Well, the stock redline is 7500. Subaru would either need to add 25lbft of torque to redline for 249hp or more likely... Add 15lbft of torque and raise the redline to 8000rpm for 251hp. It's not so far fetched. Perrin is showing a pickup of 7-8hp with a few exhaust parts and no tuning. It wouldn't surprise me if tuners figure out how to get 250 NA hp out of this motor with bolt ons, cams and a tune.
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