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Old 06-06-2012, 08:22 AM   #1
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Old 06-06-2012, 09:47 AM   #2
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Dunno.. Post a new thread about it.
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Old 06-06-2012, 10:27 AM   #3
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S2000 AP1 vs AP2?? Also a version called the S2000 CR which is a stripped down version of the S2000 for club racing.

AP1 made more power than AP2, but AP2 now makes more tq. The S2000 makes more power than the BRZ, but the BRZ looks like it weighs around 100 pounds less depending on what model S2000 top (hard, soft, and which AP model).

For the price I'd SLIGHTLY towards the S2000. *shrug*
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Old 06-06-2012, 11:16 AM   #4
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I've always wanted an S2000, but it's hard to justify when 05's with 70k on them are selling for $15k-$17k still
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Old 06-06-2012, 11:36 AM   #5
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I've had an AP1 s2k and now a BRZ. The BRZ handles better out of corners and the improved technology over the past 10 years is apparent. With that being said, aftermarket products are abundant and cheap (used market is flooded) so that's a consideration. I picked up a used supercharger for my s2 for $2k.

I'd say the BRZ is more DD friendly. Both cars are great.
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Old 06-06-2012, 01:16 PM   #6
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Sooner or later, two of these cars should be tested on the track
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Old 06-06-2012, 01:21 PM   #7
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Old 06-06-2012, 02:11 PM   #8
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Wow, a quality comparison for a roadster and a coupe. A drag race. I mean obviously the massive wheels and engines of the S-2000 and BRZ mean drag cars.
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Old 06-07-2012, 03:17 PM   #9
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Talk about completely missing the point! Drag race is neither cars forte or selling point.
Why would they even bother to waste the bytes.
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Old 06-07-2012, 08:02 PM   #10
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I THINK ONE THE ROOF COMES OFF.
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Old 06-07-2012, 08:45 PM   #11
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I'll keep my S2000 for now.
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Old 06-19-2012, 10:05 AM   #12
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I test drove the BRZ twice so far to see if I would trade my 06 S2000 for it.

The BRZ handled beautifully, was very well balanced and the gear shifting was notchy and quick exactly how I like it. The car reminded me a lot of the S2000, how it was all about driving the car, how it was about getting that apex just right and how to control your throttle and steering as you get out of a corner. It made you focus, made you work and it rewarded with a lot of feedback while having fun at the same time.

The S2000, on the other hand, while delivers in all its handling prowess and lovely engine felt more visceral, more connected, more exciting and just felt much faster overall. The S2000 still made me feel like I was the car.

The BRZ can be a great daily driver, it's nicer inside and more confortable and roomier with many gadgets and amenities that the S2000 never had. The extra seats in the back is a nice bonus I would say - useful for additional luggage for long road trips. But again, the S2000 was never meant for that, just a simple old-school radio that can be stashed away, so you can focus on driving. The BRZ is quieter inside and can be a great cruiser and daily driver. I have been daily driving my S2000 for over 5 years and still look forward to driving it every morning, so I can imagine the BRZ would be a step up as a DD.

The car is definitely setup to understeer more by default making it safe and easy to push to the limits unlike the S2000 were it will literally bite your head off if you mess up. I would say the BRZ is a much friendlier car that reminded me of my Civic Si when pushing it hard (not saying Si's FWD is the same as BRZ's RWD), but how it communicates the limits to you giving you a heads up for any corrections you need to make.

It has been a long time since I considered a car that came anywhere close to the philosophies of the S2000 and I think the BRZ is one that has the same spirits and goals. (Midship Engine + RWD + Short Manual + LSD) Very happy to see a car like that for sale today.

I love the convertible aspect of the S2000 and the fact that it was built from the ground up as one. However, I do look forward to a convertible version of the BRZ to try again and hopefully maybe with a *little* more torque and horsepower (not even looking for turbo charging - I am a fan of naturally aspirated engines). Of course, as we know, chopping the roof off will always reduce stiffness, add weight, etc...

I am not sure if this helps anyone at all - but wanted to quickly share my experiences.

PS: I felt the BRZ was so much better than the FR-S in terms of performance and interior quality. I would say that the BRZ is the enthusiasts version of the FR-S.

You can see my Red S2000 in the last picture in the back. =P







I think that's the best color (IMHO) for the BRZ.
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Old 06-26-2012, 12:34 AM   #13
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PS: I felt the BRZ was so much better than the FR-S in terms of performance and interior quality. I would say that the BRZ is the enthusiasts version of the FR-S.
Thanks for the review. I own an 04 S2K as a track car, so I appreciate the comparison since I am considering a BRZ as a daily.

You have driven both the FR-S and BRZ? Can you give a brief summary of the differences in the way they drive? I have heard the FR-S has stiffer rear springs and bushings, but I suppose those are minor details that can be changed with a different spring rate.
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Old 06-26-2012, 06:17 AM   #14
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Not a biased review at all.
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Old 06-26-2012, 11:51 AM   #15
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Not a biased review at all.
The worst was that English Renault hatch versus the 6AT BRZ, if you want to see a highly biased review. Should be a few threads down from this one.
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Old 06-26-2012, 01:17 PM   #16
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The worst was that English Renault hatch versus the 6AT BRZ, if you want to see a highly biased review. Should be a few threads down from this one.
The fact that they spell it out in the review. Saying "This video also remind us how much we love the Honda S2000. It’s a pity they’ve killed it with no solid plans for a replacement."

Also if you noticed second gear during the video hits the rev limiter a little much. At that time you see the S2000 pulling ahead, not that it wouldn't have pulled away without that happening. I need to not be lazy and find all the Motor trend stats with 60-0, figure 8, and track times. This slow ass internet out here keeps me from doing any of that. During the Motor Trend $28k review the BRZ beat out the other 5 vehicles and one being it's brother FRS which was a close second.
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Old 06-26-2012, 07:13 PM   #17
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Kind of appeared that the BRZ was the 6AT. There's a gear indicator in the cluster, do MT cars have gear indicator?

That would be seriously unfair, isn't the 6AT about a second slower?
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Old 06-26-2012, 07:33 PM   #18
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manual cars do have the gear indicator, can't really tell which it is from the video. Other reviews have gotten 14.9 for the 1/4 mile.

http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...napoleon-1.pdf
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Old 06-27-2012, 06:46 AM   #19
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I did check it out and the BRZ handles and brakes better than the S2000 as I would have expected.
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