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Old 06-08-2012, 12:54 AM   #1
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I've read complaints of STI owners that the BRZ is slower, no surprise since it's 100hp short. How does it stack up against the 265hp WRX? I figure with the weight difference they should be closer speed wise.
Can someone chime in with their experience with the BRZ after owning a 09+WRX?
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Old 06-08-2012, 02:54 AM   #2
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I Own a 2011 and drove the BRZ.

Handling: BRZ is everything you want your WRX to be. Responsive, excellent feedback, etc.

Power: Doesn't come nearly as easily in the BRZ. With a tune the WRX is QUICK.

Seats: The WRX is more suitable for extended rides, but BRZ's are perfect for hard turns. PERFECT. WRX is more people-friendly.

Price: You get more amenities for the price with the BRZ, in my opinion, though fewer cupholders (but more speakers, oddly enough).
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Old 06-08-2012, 06:37 AM   #3
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I haven't owned an 09+ WRX, but I've driven one. As far as straight line acceleration goes, it's not even close. The BRZ even lacks the boost rush punch that my old 02 WRX had, though the BRZ's throttle response is better and power delivery is smoother and more linear (despite a slight mid-range torque dip).

If straight line acceleration is your thing, don't get a BRZ.

When it comes to tight/responsive steering, slick shifting, momentum-car-dynamics, and road feel, the BRZ outclasses both the WRX and the STI.
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Old 06-12-2012, 10:49 AM   #4
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you realize the 09 WRX isn't actually slower in a straight line than an STI right? The BRZ is going to be a lot slower in a straight line than either of them. 0-60 for the brz is 6.6-7.3 where as WRX's and STI's are in the 4.5-5.0 second range. 1/4 mile time are 1 to 1.5 seconds slower for the BRZ, mid 13s@99-103 vs high 14s-low 15s@94-95mph.

on the other hand a lot of the WRX's acceleration advantage comes from the AWD launch and the BRZ has the advantage of one extra gear from a roll so I'm sure the gap would close some from a roll but you are still talking about 6-8mph lower trap speeds for a BRZ so its going to still be quite a bit slower.

I wouldn't be surprised if a BRZ could hang with or beat a pre 09 WRX from a roll though

why would you buy a BRZ for straight line speed though, the car is not made for that, WRXs and STIs aren't really either for that matter
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Old 06-12-2012, 11:15 AM   #5
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I went from an 04 STi to the BRZ and I love it. It feels to me like it has the power of the older 2.0 WRX, but far exceeds the handling.
It definitely doesn't have the straight line power of the STi, but I don't see the BRZ having any problems keeping up on a track with a slightly grippier tire.
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Old 06-12-2012, 11:53 AM   #6
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^^^ What Ranatsu said. Also agree with Celery that the BRZ is not designed for straight line speed. If that is what you're worried about stick with the 09. The BRZ isn't about stop light to stoplight. It's about driving feel/engagement and being great in the twisties.

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Old 06-12-2012, 11:59 AM   #7
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also there is going to be a BRZ sti with ~250hp supposedly
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Old 06-12-2012, 03:14 PM   #8
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the BRZ STI concept didn't have any power mods at all, just weight savings, brakes, tires, wheels, etc.

An actual BRZ STI has not been confirmed. Subaru has said numerous times they won't turbo this car. Who knows whats true though- they wouldn't want to kill current momentum for the car by announcing a better future version.

If the STI is just the same with some bolt ons, I'll just keep mine and do the bolt ons. If it goes turbo, I'll probably trade it in on the turbo model, if it isn't too bloated in weight. The magic of this car is its weight and handling, by far.

Check out element tuning's FRS on the track, such an amazing video:

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Old 06-12-2012, 05:22 PM   #9
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they mentioned a 250hp NA version with a higher redline

http://www.0-60mag.com/news/2012/03/...arged-nor-awd/
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Old 06-12-2012, 05:51 PM   #10
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There's a quote in that article and then there's some wild speculation that follows it.


The 250hp NA figure is in the 'wild speculation' bit. It's a baseless rumor at this point. Subaru couldn't avoid a midrange dip in the current car's powerband.. you really think they're going to find 25% more power out of the same engine?
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Old 06-12-2012, 06:00 PM   #11
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i guess you've never driven a car with dohc vtec or vvtl-i

they all have power dips in the middle until you tune them more aggressively than the manufacturer would
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Old 06-12-2012, 06:24 PM   #12
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I test drove an FRS the other day and the car blew me away, and I had pretty high expectations. The steering was light years better than my WRX (better feel, more direct), and so was the shifter. I'd say the shifting was almost as good as the 6 speed in my wifes 08 Si which surprised me. Throttle response was also excellent. The handling was amazing and compared to my WRX it felt like there was no body roll. The handling was better than my 350Z was. I entered a few corners at what I thought would be high speed and the car felt like it could have handled going much faster. It isn't very powerful though, which I especially noticed trying to merge onto a highway from an onramp. I know by the numbers it is supposed to be very similar to the Si but it actually felt a bit slower to me even though it probably wasn't.

There is a huge difference in acceleration compared to a stock 09+ WRX. Even still I would consider getting one just because it was so fun to drive. I wouldn't get rid of my WRX for one though, I'd replace the Si because I just can't give up having a car that is also quick in a straight line. But if that isn't very important to you and you are ok with what I consider to be just adequate acceleration (for passing, merging etc.) and you don't need the space, then the BRZ/FRS would be a great car. I'm 6'1" and the back of my seat was touching the front of the rear seat, so at best for this would be a 3 seater if the passenger was fairly short (ie. my wife). If I was shorter and could fit two front facing car seats in the back I would have bought one. It will be hard to resist a 250hp version if it comes out though regardless of the impracticality.

I think I'll just get sway bars for my WRX although even if it cures some of the body roll it still won't compare to the steering feel, shifter feel (I have a kartboy SS, and it still feels like junk), throttle response and overall driving experience of the BRZ/FRS. It's a good compromise for me though because I need the space and having some power is nice too.
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Old 06-12-2012, 08:36 PM   #13
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yeah I want to replace our 06 civic ex with one, but there is a bit of a price discrepancy..lol
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i guess you've never driven a car with dohc vtec or vvtl-i

they all have power dips in the middle..
Not like the BRZ does... and the BRZ doesn't have vtec or vvtl-i.. it has dual AVCS (as opposed to AVLS). There's only one cam profile. Completely different scenario.

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until you tune them more aggressively than the manufacturer would
.. but you just said STI was going to build a 250hp version.
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Old 06-12-2012, 09:43 PM   #15
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im not saying its the same as vtec, im saying lots of cars have power dips in their stock tunes and it doesn't have anything to do with getting more power out of the car.

i didn't say it, that website did...

no one believed subaru and toyota would build a rwd car either...
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