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View Poll Results: Your break-in style and oil consumption (OC)
Easy - Little to no OC 5 4.90%
Easy - Unusual OC 3 2.94%
Recommended - Little to no OC 64 62.75%
Recommended - Unusual 15 14.71%
Hard - Little to no OC 14 13.73%
Hard - Unusual OC 1 0.98%
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Old 07-12-2012, 01:18 PM   #76
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I think we need to re adjust our way of looking at things. Has anyone ever had a car that went 7500 miles between oil changes? I dont agree with subarus oil burning allowance but thats the extreme. In reality most of our cars burn 1/4 qt every 2000 or so that does sound acceptable. I honestly dont want to hear any "but mine never burnt a drop" because they dont know what they are talking about. They went to super lube for oil changes and hardly ever checked their oil and couldnt tell you where the washer fluid resivour was located.

In rare cases some will burn alot more like DamnNissan but 99% of us have a good engine. And notice his car has been burning oil from the start. Not some garbage that started at 6k miles and appears then re appears
Our vw has a 10k interval
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Old 07-12-2012, 01:30 PM   #77
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How do you know this what is your source about dipsticks?
I have a printed copy of Subaru's Service Bulletin # 02-127-12
Its pretty vague but there ARE different dipsticks on these cars. Idk if they read the same.
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Old 07-12-2012, 01:47 PM   #78
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Lol- its acceptable to burn more than the engine holds. Why change it? Just top it off and put a new filter on every couple years... Like my 93 Sentra once it got up to about 250k on it.
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Old 07-12-2012, 02:00 PM   #79
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Lol- its acceptable to burn more than the engine holds. Why change it? Just top it off and put a new filter on every couple years... Like my 93 Sentra once it got up to about 250k on it.
As weird as that sounds, the numbers really do reflect that. :|
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Old 07-12-2012, 02:03 PM   #80
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Our vw has a 10k interval
1 qt oil loss per 10k?
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Old 07-12-2012, 02:17 PM   #81
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My VW has a 10k interval but I change every 5k. Owners report about a fourth of a quart lost by 10k. I've never let me go that far so I don't know.
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Old 07-12-2012, 02:35 PM   #82
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My VW has a 10k interval but I change every 5k. Owners report about a fourth of a quart lost by 10k. I've never let me go that far so I don't know.
Is your VW a gasser or a TDI? I know the TDI has a 10k OCI, but I don't know about the gasser VWs.
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Old 07-12-2012, 03:51 PM   #83
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Gas, turbo direct injection. 2012 Golf R.
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Old 07-12-2012, 04:10 PM   #84
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Wrong forum. My SUBARU has near zero OC. Had it for about 6 months and it's at the exact same level as when I started. Almost 4k miles.
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Old 07-12-2012, 04:12 PM   #85
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Gas, turbo direct injection. 2012 Golf R.
Nice car. Let me guess: You drive the Golf R, and your spousal unit drives the Impreza.
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Old 07-12-2012, 04:13 PM   #86
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Wrong forum. My SUBARU has near zero OC. Had it for about 6 months and it's at the exact same level as when I started. Almost 4k miles.
Have you done your first oil change yet, or are you waiting until 7.5k miles?
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Old 07-12-2012, 04:18 PM   #87
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I don't think its wrong to compare different makes of cars. Some of us have been told "all new cars burn oil" so I think any oil-related post fits the thread.
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Old 07-12-2012, 04:25 PM   #88
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Mmmmm...Golf R... Nice!
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Old 07-12-2012, 04:40 PM   #89
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Thanks!

I was just posting because someone else mentioned VW and wanted to throw my two cents in. Not trying to come in with cross-make competition or anything. I don't actually own a Scooby, but I love them, I'm just here to oogle the pictures and read about them.

If I didn't have an R, I would have gone for an STI or Evo. Probably the STI as the quality is better.
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Old 07-12-2012, 07:40 PM   #90
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I'm jealous- the Golf R is really what I wanted, I just can't afford one. Yet.
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Old 07-12-2012, 09:02 PM   #91
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I have a printed copy of Subaru's Service Bulletin # 02-127-12
Its pretty vague but there ARE different dipsticks on these cars. Idk if they read the same.
Top = 10/11 build date 2.5L Forester w/ "1" molded in the yellow handle
Middle = 11/11 build date 2.0L Impreza w/ "4" molded in the yellow handle
Bottom = MY 11/11 build date 2.0L Impreza w/ "5" molded in the yellow handle

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Old 07-12-2012, 10:00 PM   #92
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1 qt oil loss per 10k?
Used to be, on the last change it was 2qts but i tried a different oil (rotella). This time I'm trying amsoil and if that is similar i will go back to Mobil 1
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Old 07-13-2012, 08:22 AM   #93
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Went in for the final consumption test yesterday afternoon. The final damage report: The car lost a grand total of 1 1/4 quart of oil over 3567 miles.

When the low oil warning happened on April 28th. I figured it could be something that might never happen again. regardless I still contacted SOA. When it happened again on June 11th. I figured something was amiss. That was when SOA ordered the consumption test. Chris at SOA has been quick to respond every time I've called and The service staff at Randy Marion Subaru have tried to keep me as satisfied as I could possibly be through all of this. I didn't go into this expecting a new car or replacement engine but I would be lying if I said I wasn't disappointed in the final response.

I would fully expect to have to buy an extra quart of oil if the car was 6 years old or had mileage of 200k. Not 6 months and 20k!
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Old 07-13-2012, 08:35 AM   #94
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Hard - Little to no OC. i did have the oil changed and car serviced at about 1500miles

cant vote not enough post.
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Old 07-13-2012, 08:51 AM   #95
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Went in for the final consumption test yesterday afternoon. The final damage report: The car lost a grand total of 1 1/4 quart of oil over 3567 miles.

When the low oil warning happened on April 28th. I figured it could be something that might never happen again. regardless I still contacted SOA. When it happened again on June 11th. I figured something was amiss. That was when SOA ordered the consumption test. Chris at SOA has been quick to respond every time I've called and The service staff at Randy Marion Subaru have tried to keep me as satisfied as I could possibly be through all of this. I didn't go into this expecting a new car or replacement engine but I would be lying if I said I wasn't disappointed in the final response.

I would fully expect to have to buy an extra quart of oil if the car was 6 years old or had mileage of 200k. Not 6 months and 20k!
Yeah, I wasn't EXPECTING anything. But I am more than disappointed at soa's response.
If my oil was drained to the full mark, I could see how a few thousand miles would be plenty of time to burn around a quart, putting it between the two dots and tripping the low oil sensor. My dipstick has definitely gone down exactly 3/16 now in 1200 miles. Not earth-shaking but not confidsence-inspiring. I wonder if the burning oil would show on an emmissions test?
Thanks for the follow-up.
Keep watching the dipstick, hopefully you won't end up needing to carry a quart around with you.
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Old 07-13-2012, 09:10 AM   #96
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79, I know you've answered this question in the past, but I'm too lazy to search for it.

What was your break-in process during the first 1k miles?

I have a theory that people with oil consumption problems might have either babied their cars during the first 1k miles, or driven mostly highway miles during that time.

As this is a theory and not a rule, it can be dis-proven. But it's my theory.

I have a friend with a 2010 Forester (I know, it's a different engine). He's a car guy, but some of his beliefs about proper car care are old school. He still believes that proper car care includes:
  • Changing the oil every 3k miles, even if it's synthetic.
  • Don't wax the car for the first 6 months of ownership, so that the new paint can breath as it cures.
  • Baby the engine during the break-in period (low revs, gentle acceleration, etc.).

His Forester burns oil pretty severely. When I told him that a more aggressive break-in helps to seat the rings, he said, "Oh, that just doesn't seem like the right way to break in an engine."
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Old 07-13-2012, 10:06 AM   #97
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I definitely didn't baby it, but basically adhered to Subaru's recommended break-in. I did go over 4k a few times, but varied my rpms constantly. At 1200, I drained it then proceeded to give it more rpm's and drove it harder. All was fine. Dealer changed it at 3750.
Break-in, imo, is just a cop-out. These things come filled with synthetic. They should be broken in by the time synthetic oil ios in the crankcase, really.
But- if break in "the subaru way" is wrong, then lots of folks will be burning oil by that logic. What about the poor souls leasing these things?
And to the folks who do the "run it hard" break in, if it ends up an oil burner that black box recorder can be used to prove you didn't follow their break-in. Gotta "do your part" lol.
I doubt anyone who has consumption and did a hard break in is gonna put that on the survey.
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I'm not suggesting a **hard** break in, just not a gentle one. Let engine warm up, and then wind it up to 4k RPM at 75% throttle. Not a hard acceleration, but not gentle like I'd do if I was trying to maximize MPGs.
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I'm not suggesting a **hard** break in, just not a gentle one. Let engine warm up, and then wind it up to 4k RPM at 75% throttle. Not a hard acceleration, but not gentle like I'd do if I was trying to maximize MPGs.
That's exactly what I did for the first 1000 miles. I may have lost about 1 or 2 16ths inch on the dipstick between 2750 and 3750 miles. Just hope it doesn't end up losing quarts and quarts.
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I'd agree with that^
That's more or less what I did.
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