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Old 06-20-2012, 09:10 PM   #1
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Default July Fastrack.....Its OFFICIAL....C-Stock it is...:)

Its OFFICIAL the BRZ/FRS is going to C STOCK...with a shot accross the bow for some others going to BS...

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Old 06-20-2012, 09:22 PM   #2
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Now, what about ST and SP prep?
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Old 06-20-2012, 09:27 PM   #3
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Now, what about ST and SP prep?
Birdies ...close to the situation say there is a VERY heated Battle about the classing in ST...no-one wants it..:/....question Karen...it it Doesn't get classed...is it eligible for Exhibition in ST* at tour events???

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Old 06-20-2012, 09:55 PM   #4
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if it Doesn't get classed...is it eligible for Exhibition in ST* at tour events???
Unfortunately, no. "NOC" doesn't apply for National events.
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I still dont know why its not stx. i think its because the rx8's at scared and we all know how much scca loves mazda.
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Old 06-20-2012, 10:12 PM   #6
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Unfortunately, no. "NOC" doesn't apply for National events.
so...that mean 'no Tour or Pro's' until it gets classed??? ...that kinda just blew my whole season...unless I play in RTR in C-Stock then...

sigh...guess I didn't realize that...

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Old 06-20-2012, 10:20 PM   #7
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Old 06-20-2012, 10:33 PM   #8
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I think it's great that they are considering bumping the MS-R and ZOK Solstice to B Stock. That class needs new blood anyway.

With the plethora of FR-S and BRZ owners about to join in, C Stock would then be a happy place to play in.
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In a nutshell...
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Comment: The SAC spent a considerable amount of time deciding on the proper class for the FR-S and BRZ, and came up with the conclusion that C Stock would be the best fit if the MSR and ZOK were moved to B Stock. They also felt that this would allow the MX-5 without the MS-R package a chance to be more competitive. The SEB agreed
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I think the car is difficult to classify for ST because no one knows what modifications are going to do for it. I think nameless performance got like 18 whp and 13 lb-ft out of a catted downpipe and axleback with no tuning.

I think a well prepped FR-S or BRZ could easily get down to 2550 lbs or so and might get close to 200 whp. To me that would make it an overdog for STX, but it's not going to beat the S2000 in STR, sooooo.... My guess is it will be classified later this year, but right now I could see it going into STR instead of STX.
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I think the car is difficult to classify for ST because no one knows what modifications are going to do for it. I think nameless performance got like 18 whp and 13 lb-ft out of a catted downpipe and axleback with no tuning.

I think a well prepped FR-S or BRZ could easily get down to 2550 lbs or so and might get close to 200 whp. To me that would make it an overdog for STX, but it's not going to beat the S2000 in STR, sooooo.... My guess is it will be classified later this year, but right now I could see it going into STR instead of STX.
about the same as a well prepped RX8... It could go STR...to compete with the S2k's.... Colin Feidler, a leading contender in STR...his S2k puts down 221 hp/ 150lb torque...motons...all the goodies... I think a well prepped BRZ 'could' hang with him...on Stock suspension and a 'loose' alignment I was about 5 secs behind him this past weekend...and I was on 'old' tires...we'll see

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Old 06-21-2012, 08:46 AM   #12
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Anyone think that they're trying to breathe new life in FS? Not that any of it will matter with Daddio in the class though.

- Move from BS to FS: Chrysler Crossfire SRT-6 (2005-’06) (#8177)
- Move from AS to FS: BMW M3 (E90/E92/E93 Chassis) (2008-2012) (#8521)
- Move from BS to FS: BMW M3 (E46 Chassis) (2001-2006) (#8521)
- Move from AS to FS: Mercedes C63 AMG (non-Black edition) (2008-2012) (#8521)
- Move from AS to FS: Lexus IS-F (2008-2012) (#8521)
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about the same as a well prepped RX8... It could go STR...to compete with the S2k's.... Colin Feidler, a leading contender in STR...his S2k puts down 221 hp/ 150lb torque...motons...all the goodies... I think a well prepped BRZ 'could' hang with him...on Stock suspension and a 'loose' alignment I was about 5 secs behind him this past weekend...and I was on 'old' tires...we'll see

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I know it's been discussed extensively elsewhere, but are the competitive 8s getting even close to sub-2600? Given the respectable torque of the BRZ/FRS, I think it looks good for it in STX. Gearing is obviously important when dealing with the redlines of either the RX8 in STX and S2k in STR, but it's good news that appropriate tires fit.

As for STR, I'm far from convinced the BRZ/FRS stands a chance, although it remains to be seen just how receptive it is to power mods. I think the right answer is STX, and I'll be quite disappointed for y'all if they bump it.
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Anyone think that they're trying to breathe new life in FS? Not that any of it will matter with Daddio in the class though.

- Move from BS to FS: Chrysler Crossfire SRT-6 (2005-06) (#8177)
- Move from AS to FS: BMW M3 (E90/E92/E93 Chassis) (2008-2012) (#8521)
- Move from BS to FS: BMW M3 (E46 Chassis) (2001-2006) (#8521)
- Move from AS to FS: Mercedes C63 AMG (non-Black edition) (2008-2012) (#8521)
- Move from AS to FS: Lexus IS-F (2008-2012) (#8521)
You think? Can't say I'm sad though. FS barely made a class in Dixie (3 cars, 5 drivers) and in Toledo it's still 1 shy of a class (3 cars, 4 drivers) soon to be 2 shy if I remove my entry. Although, I think they're sacrificing the Mustang on the alter of IRS and better rim width with the new blood. But I think this is my first and last year co-driving a mustang so it won't bother me too much.
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C stock for the BRZ looks good. With all the moves into F-stock, it makes me wonder if they think FS got elevated when the better-handling Mustangs showed up, so now they are adding similar weight/power cars with IRS.
I am amazed at the feedback on the treadwear 200 proposal in ST*, and pleasantly surprised that they pulled the trigger and put the Toyo on the exclusion list. That is a great way to handle it.

I'm disappointed but not surprised at the underwhelming number of letters regarding treadwear in RT*. I would prefer one set of street tire rules for RT* and ST*. (Makes the lemming effect easier with respect to choosing my next tire. ) But if nobody cares about the class, it will die a quick death and it won't matter.

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I thought treadwear for the RT* class was already the same as the ST* class anyway?

It will be interesting to see what the change does to FS. It should be even more fun to see what the response is to the Toyo exclusion list.

I really do want to know where the BRZ ends up in regards to ST though. CS does look good after the changes to CS/BS. Oh well, I will just go back to my RTA/DS hole now.
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Interesting that this hasn't been mentioned yet.

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The previously-published proposal to revise the ST category minimum treadwear rating has been withdrawn. The SEB believes at this time that a better way to address specific parity issues is to make use of the ST exclusion list.(#7881, 7884, 7887, 7889, 7891, 7894, 7905, 7908, 7909, 7919, 7921, 7922, 7923, 7929, 7933, 7946, 7948, 7950, 7951, 7952, 7954, 7955, 7960, 7962, 7963, 7964, 7965, 7966, 7968, 7970, 7973, 7975, 7967, 7978, 7980, 7982, 7983, 7988, 7992, 7993, 7999, 8000, 8001, 8002, 8005, 8006, 8008, 8009, 8012, 8015, 8016, 8017, 8018, 8019, 8021, 8025, 8027, 8031, 8038, 8041, 8053, 8058, 8062, 8063, 8064, 8066, 8070, 8071, 8073, 8074, 8081, 8082, 8085, 8086, 8089, 8092, 8094, 8099, 8103, 8104, 8105, 8108, 8110, 8112, 8113, 8120, 8128, 8141, 8145, 8151, 8156, 8183, 8218, 8219, 8221, 8222, 8290, 8291, 8292, 8318, 8322.)

The SEB is considering, per 14.3.D, the following addition to the ST tire exclusion list, effective 1/1/2013: Toyo Proxes R1R 195/50-15 size only Comment: This size has proven to be faster than the rest of the R1R lineup, and in classes in which some cars can use this tire where other cars cannot, it is discouraging participation by those unable to use it. It is the opinion of the SEB that those members who are currently running this tire have many other options which will maintain the competitiveness of their car, while also encouraging more participation by those members who cannot use this size. Much of the feedback to the now withdrawn proposal to raise the treadwear limit contained suggestions that the SEB better utilize the exclusion list, versus SCCA FasTrack News July 2012 Page 44 making a wholesale change to the treadwear limit. This proposal is in response to that feedback.
A. Damn that's a lot of letters
B. Good to see they're redacting the 200 TW limit and considering actually using the exclusion list. It's there for a reason.
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I guess with Strano prepping a FR-S we will find out its competitiveness pretty quickly. Jeff Cashmore on our local email list gave some rationale for the BRZ in CS and moving the other cars out. The SCCA recognizes the hype around the car and wanted to give it a competitive place to run. He said they actually considered putting it in FS or GS but felt CS was the overall best place. Moving the other cars out was due to lower participation de to the perception you need a special low-availability vehicle to be competitive. The fact there are some top level guys who may run them against the current top CS cars will determine if the really end up getting moved.

Most comments I've seen think the BRZ will be an also-ran in CS even with the other cars moved, probably just sour grapes.

He also said no ST classification this year so were likely to see more of them in GS to get a better idea how they stack up.
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I am amazed at the feedback on the treadwear 200 proposal in ST*, and pleasantly surprised that they pulled the trigger and put the Toyo on the exclusion list. That is a great way to handle it.
No. Banning the 195 Toyo does nothing. The same cars that are fast in STC/STS will still be fast. STF is too new to make a call. And guess what? There is a whole new crop of street tires set to hit the market next year that have a good chance of making the toyo obsolete. Add to this the fact that Toyo has one of the better contingency programs, why are we pissing off a company that actually supports solo?
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Anyone think that they're trying to breathe new life in FS? Not that any of it will matter with Daddio in the class though.

- Move from BS to FS: Chrysler Crossfire SRT-6 (2005-06) (#8177)
- Move from AS to FS: BMW M3 (E90/E92/E93 Chassis) (2008-2012) (#8521)
- Move from BS to FS: BMW M3 (E46 Chassis) (2001-2006) (#8521)
- Move from AS to FS: Mercedes C63 AMG (non-Black edition) (2008-2012) (#8521)
- Move from AS to FS: Lexus IS-F (2008-2012) (#8521)
I like this move to be honest
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I like this move to be honest
My money is on the V8 M3 being the best of that list and the only one that will give the current car a run for it's money. The C63 and IS-F are both auto only heavy luxury cars and the crossfire/E46 M3 options are a bit down on power. Still, I think it'll be good for the class. IMHO this will finally put the nail in the Shelby GT's coffin (which nailed the coffin on all regular GT's until 2011) and make the 2012+ 5.0 the last stick axle car to have. Not to mention it'll pave the way for the predicted IRS 2015 Mustang to stay in FS.

Gone are the halcyon days of only needing a killer mullet, a set of koni yellows, and some 295's
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My money is on the V8 M3 being the best of that list and the only one that will give the current car a run for it's money. The C63 and IS-F are both auto only heavy luxury cars and the crossfire/E46 M3 options are a bit down on power. Still, I think it'll be good for the class. IMHO this will finally put the nail in the Shelby GT's coffin (which nailed the coffin on all regular GT's until 2011) and make the 2012+ 5.0 the last stick axle car to have. Not to mention it'll pave the way for the predicted IRS 2015 Mustang to stay in FS.

Gone are the halcyon days of only needing a killer mullet, a set of koni yellows, and some 295's


It actually makes me think about building my M3 up to this for next year (if it would happen)

Not sure what I think on the E46 M3 though... it is lighter than the current M3 (and smaller) but I am not sure all that would matter?

The AMG... just roasts tires (so I don't see that mattering)

The IS-F, I don't know? I don't know enough about them.
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I guess with Strano prepping a FR-S we will find out its competitiveness pretty quickly. Jeff Cashmore on our local email list gave some rationale for the BRZ in CS and moving the other cars out. The SCCA recognizes the hype around the car and wanted to give it a competitive place to run. He said they actually considered putting it in FS or GS but felt CS was the overall best place. Moving the other cars out was due to lower participation de to the perception you need a special low-availability vehicle to be competitive. The fact there are some top level guys who may run them against the current top CS cars will determine if the really end up getting moved.

Most comments I've seen think the BRZ will be an also-ran in CS even with the other cars moved, probably just sour grapes.

He also said no ST classification this year so were likely to see more of them in GS to get a better idea how they stack up.
hmmmm...sooo no national tours or pros... ok...guess I will stick to regional/local then...for now..that kinda give me a jump on it for next year then..

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It actually makes me think about building my M3 up to this for next year (if it would happen)
http://roadraceautox.com/showthread.php?t=33537 is a good starting place if you want to do an FS build. I followed along with it, and really my only concern (as a Mustang driver) is the stick axle vs the IRS. Mustang has a few less lbs, but narrower rear rims. It's really a toss up in my book.

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Not sure what I think on the E46 M3 though... it is lighter than the current M3 (and smaller) but I am not sure all that would matter?
The real question is, is it narrower? IIRC it's just about as wide so no real gain there. Power band is kinda nasty as well for autox. I'd call this a sword to a gun fight, instead of just a knife. But a very good looking sword.

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The AMG... just roasts tires (so I don't see that mattering)
It's also the heavy weight and an auto. It'd make the best sound though and who cares if it's an auto when you've got all that torque/hp!!

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The IS-F, I don't know? I don't know enough about them.
5.0 with a little over 400 hp and 37xx lbs only available with an auto and all the other standard bits in this dept (IRS, LSD, staggered tires). I've seen maybe 10 of them on the roads since they were released (even after several trips to SoCal where M3's are everywhere) so I doubt they'll be very popular. I'd rank it with the C63, but without the good noises.

Only one I don't know enough about is the Crossfire. My first thought was "there's some left that haven't fallen apart yet?", then my second was "I've seen exactly 1 in 6 years of autox, and it sucked.".
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