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Old 10-13-2015, 06:55 PM   #1
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Default *** 2016 STI with Blouch 1.5 XTR & Delicious Tuning Flex Fuel for your Cobb AP ***

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Tuner: Delicious Tuning
Location: Infamous Performance | Escondido, CA
Vehicle: 2016 Subaru Impreza WRX STI
Ambient Temp: 83 degrees
Elevation: 700 ft
Humidity: 54%

Dyno Information
Dyno Info: Mustang AWD-150
Ethanol Content Reading on E85: 72%
Ethanol Content Reading on ACN 91: 10%
Peak HP at RPM: 338WHP @ 6000 on E85 (Flex Fuel)
Peak HP at RPM: 257WHP @ 6000 on ACN 91 (Flex Fuel)
Peak TQ at RPM: 324WTQ @ 4700 on E85 (Flex Fuel)
Peak TQ at RPM: 255WTQ @ 4700 on ACN 91 (Flex Fuel)
Target Boost: 21PSI on E85 (Flex Fuel)
Target Boost: 20PSI on ACN 91 (Flex Fuel)

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Delicious Tuning Cobb AccessPort Stage 2 Flex Fuel Tune
- 2016 Subaru STI
- Blouch 1.5 XTR
- KS Tech Intake
- Cobb Turbo Back Exhaust
- DW 1200CC Injectors
- DW 300 Fuel Pump
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Delicious Tuning completes our first 2016 STI with Flex Fuel on a Cobb AccessPort V3.

The Delicious Tuning Flex Fuel Kit is designed to plug into your vehicle within minutes so you can be on the dyno tuning immediately. With a custom tune from one of our Authorized Flex Fuel Tuning Dealers you too can enjoy the ability to fill up and drive with no need to switch between maps on your Cobb AccessPort.

When installing the Flex Fuel Kit, it happens to double as a solution to the annoying 2800 stumble/hesitation.

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Old 10-15-2015, 04:36 PM   #2
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Will this work on the 2015 WRX?
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Old 10-15-2015, 06:16 PM   #3
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Why are the numbers so low for 91oct? Those are just barely above stock numbers...
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Old 10-15-2015, 06:31 PM   #4
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Why are the numbers so low for 91oct? Those are just barely above stock numbers...
Whp wheel horsepower.

This is different from HP at the engine crank due to power loss in the drivetrain.

20% loss about.
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Old 10-15-2015, 06:54 PM   #5
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the E85 number look super low. stock motor STI on this turbo are making well over 400awhp and TQ . what is the issue with this STI?
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Old 10-15-2015, 06:59 PM   #6
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the E85 number look super low. stock motor STI on this turbo are making well over 400awhp and TQ . what is the issue with this STI?
It's on a Mustang (heartbreaker) dyno, so it's about right.
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Old 10-15-2015, 07:08 PM   #7
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"heartbreaker" means diddly squat anymore.

what does a 335whp car trap when tuned on this dyno?
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Old 10-15-2015, 07:22 PM   #8
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"heartbreaker" means diddly squat anymore.

what does a 335whp car trap when tuned on this dyno?
XXXwhp means diddly squat as well. It's just an arbitrary reference point with so many variables that even the same dyno will produce different results day to day with the same car and the exact same setup.
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Old 10-15-2015, 08:08 PM   #9
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Bro, I know what wheel horsepower is compared to crank horsepower...

Depending on the dyno, stock wheel horsepower for an STi is between 220-240 WHEEL horsepower. The results above show beyond stage 2 mods and only 257 WHEEL horsepower on 91 octane with an upgraded turbo. I have the same mods, but still on the stock turbo and I made 50 more WHEEL horsepower.

The E85 horsepower looks close to what I would expect, but the 91oct dyno result looks SUPER low.
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Old 10-15-2015, 08:49 PM   #10
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XXXwhp means diddly squat as well. It's just an arbitrary reference point with so many variables that even the same dyno will produce different results day to day with the same car and the exact same setup.

Right, but there's at least a typical range for different cars with similar mods on different dynos. This is well below that range for both fuel types, even on a mustang (heartbreaker) dyno.
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Old 10-15-2015, 09:29 PM   #11
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XXXwhp means diddly squat as well. It's just an arbitrary reference point with so many variables that even the same dyno will produce different results day to day with the same car and the exact same setup.
hence my trap speed reference
Not sure if trolling or just being a db
These results will swing by 5, maybe 10hp at most on same dyno, which still doesn't explain the near 80hp/tq deficiency displayed here when compared to other 20psi dom 1.5 davcs ej257's on e85 . "heartbreaker" means nothing when the results can be easily manipulated
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Old 10-15-2015, 11:06 PM   #12
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Right, but there's at least a typical range for different cars with similar mods on different dynos. This is well below that range for both fuel types, even on a mustang (heartbreaker) dyno.
NASIOC members amaze me every time, guess everyone did not notice we have Flex Fuel Kit running a Cobb AccessPort? Didn't realize this was a standard practice that is routine for everyone. Well at least one person noticed...

We are still working on a 15 WRX Flex Fuel Kit for the Cobb AccessPort but it will be some time before it is ready.

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In regards to WHP, HP, CHP, Butt Dyno, Virtual Numbers, yada yada yada.

Some more notes to mention on this particular Mustang Dyno.
1. Completely Stock 2015 STI makes about 200whp
2. A Cobb Stage 2 makes about 220whp

Every Mustang Dyno can be very easily manipulated by just changing the weight of the car. It is literally as simple as that. So if you would like for us to make a bigger number for you, not a problem, we can offer you would like to see.

We have tunes that have been driving around for over 10+ years and still going strong to this day. This STI on ACN91 can be run back to back to back on the dyno and repeat that number all day long. In fact most of our customer road track their vehicles in 100+ degree temperatures and we need to make sure they are consistent, repeatable and predictable. Ken Block's Gymkhana anyone...

Now if you were to add an ETS FMIC, AVO Inlet Hose, Killer Bee headers, we would be putting down 410+ whp on this dyno on E85. We could have potentially made more (430+ whp) but were requested by the shop and owner to stop being it was still on a stock engine. A good front mount and good air flow to the turbo can work wonders on these cars.

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Old 10-16-2015, 08:54 AM   #13
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NASIOC members amaze me every time, guess everyone did not notice we have Flex Fuel Kit running a Cobb AccessPort? Didn't realize this was a standard practice that is routine for everyone. Well at least one person noticed...



We are still working on a 15 WRX Flex Fuel Kit for the Cobb AccessPort but it will be some time before it is ready.



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In regards to WHP, HP, CHP, Butt Dyno, Virtual Numbers, yada yada yada.



Some more notes to mention on this particular Mustang Dyno.

1. Completely Stock 2015 STI makes about 200whp

2. A Cobb Stage 2 makes about 220whp



Every Mustang Dyno can be very easily manipulated by just changing the weight of the car. It is literally as simple as that. So if you would like for us to make a bigger number for you, not a problem, we can offer you would like to see.



We have tunes that have been driving around for over 10+ years and still going strong to this day. This STI on ACN91 can be run back to back to back on the dyno and repeat that number all day long. In fact most of our customer road track their vehicles in 100+ degree temperatures and we need to make sure they are consistent, repeatable and predictable. Ken Block's Gymkhana anyone...



Now if you were to add an ETS FMIC, AVO Inlet Hose, Killer Bee headers, we would be putting down 410+ whp on this dyno on E85. We could have potentially made more (430+ whp) but were requested by the shop and owner to stop being it was still on a stock engine. A good front mount and good air flow to the turbo can work wonders on these cars.



Cheers,

William Knose

Delicious Tuning

That's a good explanation, albeit a slightly condescending one for a business who is trying to sell us stuff.

All you had to say was that yours is literally the lowest reading dyno in history and it all would have made sense. For instance, IAG (where I had my build done) has a dyno which typically reads lower than a mustang dyno, and a stock 2015 STi still reads 220 on their dyno. Thanks for the reply. At least we have a point of reference now, because the impact of final dyno numbers are really difficult to gauge if we don't have a control number.

Also, you're not the only shop in the country with multiple cars with repeatable results running around for tens of thousands of miles and many years problem free, not sure why that was even mentioned in your reply. Nobody said you were building cars that won't last.

Finally, thank you for bringing an innovative product to the market. I know AP flex fuel support is something a lot of people are interested in, and you're (I think) the first company to offer a solution. Bravo. Also, it looks like a pretty slick set up with the mobile app to read content numbers and such. I think the reason the thread got derailed so quickly is because the primary reason anyone would want to run flex fuel/E85 is maximize horsepower gains. So, since your dyno results weren't even in line with typical E85 numbers for the given mods, people were not focused on the reason for the post in the first place.

Thanks again for providing more info on what seems like a cool product.

Cheers!
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Old 10-16-2015, 09:14 AM   #14
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/\ Agreed with all of that.
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Old 10-16-2015, 09:46 AM   #15
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In regards to reliability with high ambient temps, how are you implementing ignition comp based on intake temp on this car?
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Old 10-16-2015, 09:49 AM   #16
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. For instance, IAG (where I had my build done) has a dyno which typically reads lower than a mustang dyno, and a stock 2015 STi still reads 220 on their dyno.
IAG has a dynojet, which there's no such thing as a 'high reading' or 'low reading' dynojet. A dynojet reads like a dynojet since the numbers cannot be altered.
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Old 10-16-2015, 10:37 AM   #17
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edit: I not good wit reading

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Old 10-16-2015, 12:11 PM   #18
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They are not the first company there was stand-alones that came out with flex fuel awhile ago. Also there's flex fuel available on Open source now which is free.
Reading comprehension??? AP Flex Fuel support. No one else has offered FF for the Cobb AP.

And as far as manipulating a dynojet, LOL. All dynos can be manipulated. I see from the graph that it is a warmer more humid day for So Cal. So, safe and repeatable pulls would be more difficult than if it were cooler. From the mod list it appears to be a stock TMIC (see previous statement). I would expect much higher numbers with a good FMIC.

Regardless, congrats on a successful flex fuel tune using a Cobb AP.
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Old 10-19-2015, 11:51 AM   #19
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Also, here's a helpful hint if you want Dynojet numbers, add 17% to the Mustang numbers. That gives you a good idea of what it makes.

I constantly have to do the conversion with the dyno we use, as I think in Dynojet numbers.

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Old 10-19-2015, 08:16 PM   #20
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It's on a Mustang (heartbreaker) dyno, so it's about right.
DynoDynamics is the "heartbreaker", not a Mustang dyno.
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If you could include the dyno curve of a standard 2016 STI on your dyno it would end all the questions. Its not just the peak numbers but the shape of the curve as well.
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DynoDynamics is the "heartbreaker", not a Mustang dyno.
We actually use a Dyno Dynamics too at HG motorsports and it reads about the same (200whp on a stock STi) or slightly higher than compared to Infamous Performance's Mustang dyno.

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If you could include the dyno curve of a standard 2016 STI on your dyno it would end all the questions. Its not just the peak numbers but the shape of the curve as well.
Sorry, we don't have a stock 2016 STi dyno run. Most people come in with mods already installed to get tuned.
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