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Old 08-29-2002, 10:15 AM   #1
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Default light bars/safari bars/bull bars

I've seen a couple of WRX's with light bars or safari bars or bull bars, or whatever they're called, and was wondering if anyone could point me in the direction of where to find them. I was looking to mount a couple sets of driving lights on my WRX wagon. I did a search on here and found a couple of custom bars that some people had done, but was looking for something more along the lines of this.

Like this for instance

Obviously that's a pic of one on a massive truck, but that's the kind of style I'm looking for.
Thanks all for any help you might be able to give me.
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Old 08-29-2002, 10:46 PM   #2
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I think that would be awesome looking, but might get in the way of oil changes is it has a plate that follows through under the car.
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Old 09-08-2002, 09:07 PM   #3
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I had one installed on my old Tacoma and it used the factory tow hook points. It slipped in between the hook and the frame and lowered the hook by 1/8" and compensated with a longer bolt. I'm thinking about purchasing the metal skid plates for underneath as well. I've seen some around on here, I might have to look into it. I would def like to cover the tranny as well as the engine bay and I'm not concerned with weight since I don't have any drag racing plans...

Edit:also a thin light bar

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Old 09-08-2002, 09:34 PM   #4
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Problem with bull bars is they can cause structural damage to your vehicle by transmitting the force to your frame and suspension instead of allowing it to be absorbed in body, crumple zones. Also, they are hard on other cars and people when you hit them. Lots of us had bull bars or roo bars in Australia (my wife had one on her Mini but it was so low we called it a possum bar) but now they are becoming illegal there unless you live in the outback.
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Old 09-09-2002, 08:41 AM   #5
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Here in good ol Backwoods PA, it's as close to outback as we can get.

These Light Bars are a start but not that great looking.

EDIT: I guess I should specify that I only want to mount lights on these, not something to push cattle!

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Old 09-09-2002, 11:08 PM   #6
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OK, this is a difficult post to make without sounding like a nannying old ... er... nanny. But I think the point is worth making...

Aside from their (in my opinion) questionable looks, I'd have major concerns over the safety of using bull bars on any vehicle . In the UK they're illegal unless made of plastic (seriously -sounds ridiculous but I kid you not !). Admittedly, there are far fewer deer roaming the streets in the UK than in PA, and kangaroos are rarer still.

It was shown in Britain that an adult would sustain significantly more serious injuries if struck by a vehicle equipped with bullbars, than if struck at the same speed by a vehicle not so equipped. It was also shown that even a low speed impact with a child could easily be fatal if struck on the head by a truck/SUV with bars. Apparently this is caused by the impact being concentrated on the point of contact of the bar instead of being spread over a larger area of comparatively 'soft' bumper and hood. This led the british government to ban them several years ago.

Manufacturers go to great lengths (OK, some more than others) to ensure that vehicles are 'pedestrian friendly' in an accident, The European NCAP crash testing program even rates vehicles on their pedestrian friendliness in a 25mph collision (as well as offset front and side impact tests). Sticking bullbars on the front of any car will effectively negate that effort.

In the US there is the issue of deer strikes which may be the motivating/mitigating factor for getting bars (esp if you live in PA where deer are everywhere). Even a big pickup truck with a high front can sustain serious damage if it stikes a deer at speed. Bull bars can reduce this damage, on a truck. When a car hits a deer the low nose of the car takes out the deer's legs, the main body of the deer (no pun intended) can fly through the windscreen and into the passenger compartment with pretty grisly (and often fatal) results -don't deer have big antlers/horns ?. Bull bars on a car will not do much to prevent this at all (unless they come up really really high). On a car, bars or no bars, if you hit something big like a deer at speed, there's a good chance you won't walk away, so I'd say you might want to keep the car nice and ped. freindly like the designers intended.

Lighting bars would have a similar (although probably lesser) effect on a car's pedestrian friendliness. Personally I'd only consider one if I REALLY needed the extra light (say for rallying) and I wouldn't touch a bullbar with a six foot pole.

Finally, I know the WRX's front styling is controversial, but anything that makes it look like a Ford Exploder is a step in the wrong direction.

Nannying over, hope I haven't alienated too many people.

Alun

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Old 09-10-2002, 02:47 PM   #7
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Whew, this is a long post, and donít worry allythom I agree. There are some very good points there, and I don't think you are being a nag at all. Being a driver of an MR2, I feel the heat from the other POSUV's out there hogging the roads with their steel cages bolted on. Please don't get me wrong here, the picture I posted was only to illustrate where I would like this to be mounted from, the second posting is more of the diameter I am hoping for. Also, my location dictates my actions. In any given evening 2 hour drive, I can see 10 deer , (20 w/ lights) maybe 1 car and not a single human being. But seeing as how you started the trend, Iím gonna take this opportunity to vent about brush guards as well. Mainly I would like the bar to maintain aesthetics while providing a location to mount off road lights in order to see:

1. Poorly paved roads w/out lines
2. Unpaved roads
3. Woodland critters

Do I know this works? Yes, absolutely, driving lights help immensely to see the things hiding in the brush waiting to jump out! And the higher they are mounted the better, putting them in the lower fog locations only causes reflection off the pavement, gravel, etcÖ

I had a Tundra for 2 years (just sold it, great truck, but enormous and had poor gas mileage) with a full brush guard (not a light bar mind you like I am speaking of for the WRX) and a contingency of hella lamps,. The truck had the bars installed when I bought it, and the dealer ended up throwing them in for free if I took that one off their lot instead of special ordering one. Later that year I actually hit a deer with it at 50mph and amazingly did only $11 worth of damage, the cost to replace the side grill insert. But the original intended purpose for these things was for clearing small trees and brush. And while I frequently traveled old logging roads, it served its purpose well.

If I ever buy another truck will I put on a brush guard? Absolutely not! Why? For the reasons you have stated, the consequences far outweigh the advantages, so what if I saved some cash on repairs... what if it had been a person?

On the other hand, I hit a deer dead center (pardon the pun) on a Honda Accord about 9 years back. It did 2500 in damage, by rolling over the top of the hood and then smashing the windshield, would a light bar have made a difference, absolutely not. The deer will go over the top, light bar or not. The height is the key here.

I don't doubt the repercussions of hitting someone w/ a steel bar of some fashion or being hit by someone w/ said device. It is a serious problem, especially with the glut of large vehicles on the market and the lack of experience behind the wheel of these vehicles. The average brush guard or light bar installer is not thinking of these repercussions. They want it for that rugged look or to make sure their soccer mom survives over the other guysí soccer mom. However, bars mounted on lower vehicles (such as our own) have less serious repercussions on pedestrians as they would, on say, a Lincoln Navigator (knee height on a child as opposed to chest height)

Allythom, seeing as where you are, I can see your point in particular. In NJ where the popular thing to do is to take their Ford Excretion to the nearest shopping center with an added 400lbs in brush guards, nerf bars and skid plates while traveling at ridiculous speeds through a residential area, talking on the phone, eating a BigMac and swatting at the kids in the back seat. This is dangerous, stupid, and IMHO Large SUVís should either have extreme speed governors, should require their operators to obtain a special license or they should be outlawed entirely.

So I guess what Iím saying is down w/ the big rigs with the extra steel bars and Iíll still take one light bar mounted on a low ridiní subie. If it exists, I would take plastic instead of steel, but bending a rod takes less capital than creating an injection mold, so thereís probably not much offered there.

Edit: Oh yeah, I really like our front end styling, I don't think I would ever have purchased a WRX if it looked like the previous generation (I'll probably get flamed for that one if anything)

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