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Old 08-29-2002, 03:11 PM   #1
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Default Harassed over Front Plates

OK, it seems I am the one who always gets harassed over stuff, so here is the latest in my saga...

I was out at lunch with Kaze and got flagged down in the parking lot at the restaurant by a Douglas Co. cop who was complaining that my front license plate is not actually on the front bumper of my car - instead I display it in the front window. I dont put the plate on the front because it blocks like 1/4 of the front of my intercooler which is in the bumper.

What I wanted to know was if any of you know the ACTUAL Colorado state law about front license plates, actual verbage and what exceptions there are if any. I have plenty of buddies, most of which are on this board, who dont run a plate on the front at all, and it just makes sense that I should be the one to get picked on even though I am actually making an attempt to be lawful.

Anyone have a copy of the plate law??

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Old 08-29-2002, 06:23 PM   #2
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I got a ticket in Denver, and it said something like

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Front license plate not attached to vehicle or displayed on dashboard. $30 fine.
However, that is not Douglas, so it's hard to say if it is different because of the County or anything. I would assume it is the same, so that officer is on crack. Next time, tell him to show you the statue in the Vehicle Code Book.

Say something like "After all, every good police officer carries the Vehicle Code book with him, so do you have one, officer?" Got me in trouble, but was funny when I pulled out MY copy at the time. (Yes, I was right, he was wrong, this was in California.)
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Old 08-29-2002, 08:40 PM   #3
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I have a copy of the Colorado Peace officer's handbook at home. When I get home I'll look it up and post it for ya.
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Old 08-30-2002, 12:42 AM   #4
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Default Looks to me like 2 plates have been repealed as a cost saving measure

Jama:

You might want to look at this.

http://www.state.co.us/gov_dir/leg_d...s99/hb1178.htm

If this is actually in force, then two plates have been repealed in Colorado. There is a remote chance this bill did not actually take effect, I haven't been able to double check it yet.

The normal listing of Colorado Revised Satutes is broken right now, but the law that covers license plates should be:


CRS 42-3-123

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Old 08-30-2002, 08:50 AM   #5
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Thanks guys, I found a lot of links to various sites as well saying that the Douglas County cop is in fact wrong. As long as you display the plate in a plainly viewable location on the front of the vehicle, you are legal. Of course, like every other law here, the local authorities bend them to their satisfaction and I have a feeling that cop just wanted a piece of me.

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Old 08-30-2002, 10:21 AM   #6
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Larry (HotRod),

Seems like you found something I have bee looking for - the vehcile code online. Is that out there somewhere? Do you have a link so I can look up Colorado vehicle laws? I tried poking around that site you provided but could not find much. How'd you find that bill?
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Old 08-30-2002, 10:41 AM   #7
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I remember this bill being discussed when I still lived in Summit County. That bill did not take effect. It seems that a lot of emergency workers (cops, firefighters, etc.) went to bat for having 2 plates so if you ever lost your STi in the ice, they could identify it from the front or back.
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Old 08-30-2002, 05:29 PM   #8
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I saw this one dude with a BLUE sedan at Safeway, corner of Downing and 6th that folded his top and bottom of his license plate so it was thin horizontally but you can could see the digits of the plate and then screwed to bumper... almost Aussie style... I don't know how legal, but I am considering the same!
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Old 08-30-2002, 05:48 PM   #9
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Here's another online law thing I found for Colorado:

http://www.ci.longmont.co.us/city_cl...ffic/#PART%202

I don't like the part that says you cannot modify your suspension in any way!!!
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Old 08-30-2002, 10:59 PM   #10
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Default The state has an online Colorado Revised statutes page

The state legislature has a home page with lots of useful links, one of which is a complete listing of the most current version of the Colorado Revised Statutes (CRS).

Go to this page and follow the links:
http://www.state.co.us/gov_dir/stateleg.html

The bad news is for the last few days it has been giving errors on the last step of the search. So you can find the statute number, but can't pull up a copy of the actual citation.

The error is:


500 Server Error
The server encountered an error and was unable to complete your request.

Message: Empty output from CGI program c:/website/cgi-dos/statdspp.exe

I've already sent an email to the link provided to complain about the problem, but so far no joy.

The thing I like about this page when it is working is it also lists related court cases with brief summaries of the out come so you can see how the courts have handled some of these issues.


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Old 08-31-2002, 09:36 AM   #11
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Jama:

Did you actually get a ticket from the plate or just get a "talkin to" .. if you got a ticket file a complaint and a small claims lawsuit that you were late to a meeting or something. - The easiest way to avoid such a problem is to buy a jeep grand cherokee, put on a business suit, oh and dye your skin white should you be hispanic or black.

Point being that you got profiled for your car, which is pure crap. There are other ways to avoid the plate though. You could hinge the plate, or move it to the far right of the bumper or other creative things like that.

here in Texas you don't even have to have a front plate - you just have to have a front SOMETHING - which i'd imagine is so they can bounce laser off of it (Yes a front license plate bracket and a plastic vanity sign is legal)... lame, why bother having the law at all is my question if it's going to be that lame.

oh well

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Old 08-31-2002, 12:19 PM   #12
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I don't like the part that says you cannot modify your suspension in any way!!!
It says you can't modify the suspention DESIGN which may affect those who offroad and have changed their IFS (independent front suspention) to a solid axle.

Upgrading to heavier duty struts or springs is allowed.

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Old 09-01-2002, 05:06 AM   #13
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Jama:

Did you actually get a ticket from the plate or just get a "talkin to" .. if you got a ticket file a complaint and a small claims lawsuit that you were late to a meeting or something. - The easiest way to avoid such a problem is to buy a jeep grand cherokee, put on a business suit, oh and dye your skin white should you be hispanic or black.
No I didnt get a ticket but thats only cos the fat, lazy ass cop was too busy eating his Red Robin burger to take the time. He had no idea what the actual law was Im sure - he just wanted to harass me because I have a car that will outrun his cop bike

Youre right about the profiling though - I wasnt doing anything wrong and I was displaying the plate in the front of the car clearly visible, he just wanted to harass me.

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Old 06-24-2004, 11:21 AM   #14
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Ok.. so I live in traffic cop hell Douglas County, Colorado.. and have successfully fallen under the radar of the wonderful Douglas County Police force.

Last night we went to coffee in Cherry Creek North (it would seem this is Denver) and I received a parking ticket for failure to display a license plate on the front of my car.

Now, as far as I know, Colorado (state wide) does not require 2 plates showing. Perhaps I am wrong, but I have never ever been reprimanded for not having a front plate (which I rarely do, as my vehicle preferences tend to not lend themselves to a front plate nicely). So, now, that I have received this wonderful ticket, I am on a hunt to find some loop hole out of this (I really just don't have the cash - and as a result, I'll never spend any money or time in the city of Denver again).

Has anyone found the actual law? The statute and any amendments? I can find the first instance of the law, but there seems to be endless amendments and repeals.

Any help would be awesome! I'm hoping I can use the fact that I live in a little town in Douglas County, where this isn't a law.. maybe they'll leave me alone.
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Old 06-24-2004, 12:18 PM   #15
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CO (state wide) does require 2 plates.

Here's the law: http://198.187.128.12/colorado/lpext...h=1&2.0#LPHit1

That's taken directly off the Legislature web page for the state
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Old 06-24-2004, 12:21 PM   #16
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so of that law.. what aspect was repealed most recently? I can't tell from that article..

Thanks -
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part "b" of 1 was repealed as is stated there. The law of 2 plates (1a) is still valid.
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Old 06-24-2004, 01:53 PM   #18
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I always got tickets from the parking nazi's down town so I did fold up my plate and mounted it on the corner. I have a obs and cut out the whole front grill inclidung the licens plate mounting area. But with the folded plate I have not recived one ticket. (Knock on wood)
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Old 06-24-2004, 06:18 PM   #19
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Default blocks air..

Aside from aesthetic purposes, the other reason I don't have a front plate is due to my car's body shape.. If I put a plate on my front "bumper" (which it isn't) it will dramtically reduce the air intake for the engine.

SO - HERE'S MY THOUGHT

I don't seem to be alone in this and I'd like to do something about it.. Our state has repeatedly reversed and reinitiated this law and it would seem it is a law used by our politicians to generate revenue as they see fit..

I think we, as
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Old 06-24-2004, 06:27 PM   #20
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Lightbulb blocks air..

Aside from aesthetic purposes, the other reason I don't have a front plate is due to my car's body shape.. If I put a plate on my front "bumper" (which it isn't) it will dramtically reduce the air intake for the engine.

SO - HERE'S MY THOUGHT

I don't seem to be alone in this and I'd like to do something about it.. Our state has repeatedly reversed and re-initiated this law, from year to year, and it would seem it is a law used by our politicians to generate revenue as they see fit..

I think we, as citizens, need to make our politians' lives a bit busier. Hickenlooper is doing all sorts of great things, including trying to make parking in Denver a bit more reasonable, but it seems like he needs to do a bit more.

I don't intend to take my business to any location within Denver again, if I can help it (which is an easy thing to do) just because I don't want to deal with their parking nazi's (as it has been put so well).

I would like to start a letter and get as many signatures as possible, and encourage as many citizens of Denver and surrounding cities/counties to send letters (I am happy to draw up template/form) and email and phone calls to Hickenlooper's office.

I will be posting more information concerning my issue with this flipflop law and what I, at least, intend to do to try and make a difference for those who have to exist in Denver.

Thanks all -
This is why we live in a free America, I suppose.. to limit the rules and regulations and ridiculous power trips that our "leaders" suffer from. Keeping each other in balance, and keeping it safe and free and a great place to live.

One voice is small, but many can become a roar that no politician can ignore.. Hopefully, mine will not be the only voice in this
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Our state has repeatedly reversed and re-initiated this law, from year to year...
Did you actually find this somewhere?

The bill posted earlier in this thread was only proposed and was never passed. In the 8 years I've lived here, and owned a car, the 2 plates law has always been in effect. Just because it's not enforced by all police officers doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
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