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Old 12-12-2012, 10:18 PM   #1
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Hey guys and gals,
My lady friend was in an accident not this morning making a right on red and a guy flipping a U-Turn hit her. Before I go into details, I'm just looking for advice on how to solve our situation. There's a few questions I have as I've been fortunate enough to have never needed to personally deal with this.



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I'll briefly try to explain this as best I can. My friend (the yellow line) approaches Mukilteo Speedway and stops at the light. She enters the intersection and proceeds into the correct (right hand lane) and an F250 creams her driver side fender.

The driver of the truck (red line) was making a legal U-Turn with a green arrow on Muk Speedway. The green X shows approximately where they collided, but its not certain.

There was a sheriff at the scene who apparently offered to call the local PD to get a report and write citations. The drivers declined his offer, exchanged info and parted ways.

My friend's insurance is holding her liable.

Ok now for the other stuff:
She and her passenger are certain they came to a stop and had passed well into the intersection when the truck took the left for the U-Turn and hit her.
The claims adjuster maintains that she is at fault because the man had a right of way due to the green arrow. It is my opinion that he is liable for not checking to see if it was safe to make a U-Turn. I believe it adds some subjectivity to the automatic right-of-way a green arrow gives us. I've been trying to get RCW's that would help her out but I'm kinda stumped.

There are no other witnesses at the moment other than the one passenger in my friend's car. There is no police report... I know. She should have gotten one. I got hit last year in a crosswalk and I let the guy get away. I am familiar with not having your senses in order and clouding your thought, so please be kind.
Just trying to help her situation.


This is a link to a page I found where someone asks a question that relates to the exact same scenario my friend is in. Same situation. Thoughts?

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http://www.thenewstribune.com/2009/0...but-watch.html

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Old 12-12-2012, 10:25 PM   #2
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I'm pretty sure she's at fault. Even if she did come to a complete stop, she still was suppose to yield to the person making a u-turn.
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Old 12-12-2012, 10:31 PM   #3
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Yeah but he wasn't at the light yet. She stopped and pulled out, then he came, on their account, speeding around the corner.
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Old 12-12-2012, 10:36 PM   #4
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Hate to say it, but I think she's at fault here. In Shoreline we turn lanes that also act as legal U-turn lanes when the light is green. In the perpendicular direction lane (on the left) there are signs stating to yield to U-turns on right turns on red. I can't remember the exact wordage but there is a sign at the light and on the corner, it would be hard to miss.
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Old 12-12-2012, 10:44 PM   #5
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I have to agree with everyone else. He was making a protected left turn as indicated by the arrow. She was supposed to yield to him and didn't. Whether he was at the light when she entered traffic or not doesn't really matter.
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Old 12-12-2012, 10:52 PM   #6
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Your friend is saying she was well into the intersection when the truck just started making the left turn, even more so he wasn't at the light? It just doesn't sound right. The truck would have to travel 20-40+ feet in a split second to hit her before she finished making her right. Yet the damage is in the front fender?

Sounds to me like she started her turn after the truck was well into his left and didn't expect him to be making a uturn and the truck had no where to go as she basically pulled out in front of him.

Anyway why don't you check the driver manual for your state for red light and u-turn rules?
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Old 12-12-2012, 10:53 PM   #7
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I would tend to agree with the popular opinion here. Also, just out of curiosity, I'd like to know how "speedy" an F250 (high center of gravity) can make a U-turn. Not to dismiss your friends "speedy" remark. Just seems like physics would discourage the truck from going too, too fast through 180 degrees in a confined space.
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Old 12-12-2012, 11:07 PM   #8
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I would tend to agree with the popular opinion here. Also, just out of curiosity, I'd like to know how "speedy" an F250 (high center of gravity) can make a U-turn. Not to dismiss your friends "speedy" remark. Just seems like physics would discourage the truck from going too, too fast through 180 degrees in a confined space.
I was thinking the same thing. And an F-250 being decently high off the ground also makes it easy to not see a little compact that is in the passenger's side blind spot. I'm just speculating.
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Old 12-12-2012, 11:17 PM   #9
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Old 12-12-2012, 11:24 PM   #10
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It says international.
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Old 12-12-2012, 11:28 PM   #11
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Old 12-12-2012, 11:57 PM   #12
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Old 12-13-2012, 12:49 AM   #13
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I'm pretty sure she's at fault. Even if she did come to a complete stop, she still was suppose to yield to the person making a u-turn.
This is correct. Much like rear ending someone, she will be fighting an uphill battle regardless of circumstance. It will come down to yielding to the right of way.

I'm sorry for the misfortune.
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Old 12-13-2012, 01:41 AM   #14
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Did she finish her text?
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Old 12-13-2012, 01:44 AM   #15
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If the person was coming from the opposite direction (facing lady before her right hand turn) and turned left with a green light, and lady turned on red. Are you saying the person turning left with green light would be at fault?
I don't understand why the U-turner should be at fault. I drive by one of these kind of places every day and use special caution because I'm aware. Cause I'm perfect.
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Old 12-13-2012, 03:21 AM   #16
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Many times I have been like the truck driver here, where some asshat decides to turn right in front of me when I am doing a u-turn.

Tell her next time not to turn right in front of people doing u-turns.

Edit: Buy her a windshield mounted camera so she has evidence of how she screwed up. Then upload it here for everyone to watch and be entertained.
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Old 12-13-2012, 10:05 AM   #17
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Your lady needs to be more careful....

This is what insurance is for....
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Old 12-13-2012, 10:20 AM   #18
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I know this junction well, and I have seen trucks fly around there. Unfortunately, I reckon it is her fault looking at where the damage is.
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Old 12-13-2012, 10:27 AM   #19
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As many have said. The truck had right away with the legal u-turn. Your friend is at fault for failing to yield at the stop light. Does not matter if she stopped or not, the person with the red light that enters an intersection and causes an accident is almost always at fault. Exceptions to this are things like emergency vehicles with lights and sirens going.

Also, stop looking on the internet for legal advice. Get a lawyer and stick to the RCW pages. Everything else may or may not apply in the state you live in and is probably bad advice, mine included.
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Old 12-13-2012, 10:35 AM   #20
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Judging from the orange flag, she's not the first to misunderstand.


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Old 12-13-2012, 10:39 AM   #21
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Just move on...this probably wont be the last time she gets in a wreck... Not to be a downer or anything.
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Old 12-13-2012, 10:42 AM   #22
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I appreciate this may vary between countries, but here in Canada it is illegal to do a u-turn at a controlled intersection.
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Old 12-13-2012, 12:08 PM   #23
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Some u-turn intersections have signs stating whomever has to yield to who.
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Old 12-13-2012, 12:13 PM   #24
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I appreciate this may vary between countries, but here in Canada it is illegal to do a u-turn at a controlled intersection.
There are a lot of legal U-Turn spots here, but it's posted that you can do so. Many of the busy streets here have medians so there are a U-Turn lanes so people can get to businesses on the other side of the street. In these cases you can make U-Turns at the intersections too if it's posted that you can.

That picture above, the "thru" part is different. You would think that's obvious. I guess you have to make things very obvious for the idiot drivers these days.
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Old 12-13-2012, 12:20 PM   #25
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Was that sign posted above posted where she turned? I know here in oregon theres some lights the when the left turn lane is green(guy in the f250) that the light it your wifes right turn lane is also green.

Theres also intersections here where it says "U-turn legal(except trucks)". Just kinda depends on your local laws.
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