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Old 07-19-2012, 08:21 PM   #26
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Agreed. I went from a VF43 289/315 to the Dom 1.5 365/340, both on pump, no correction, same dyno and tuner. Sure dyno number are just numbers but my current setup will eat my old setup alive.

Throw E85 in the mix, Dom 1.5 hands down over the VF52.
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Old 07-19-2012, 08:38 PM   #27
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Looks like a good safe tune. I've ran the dom 1.5 at 26psi on a built 2.5, made right around 400/410 on E. On pump we made it to 22.5lbs at I want to say it was 360/360. This turbo flows a whole lot more than a vf39, take it to altitude and there is no comparison.
I do my own tuning, real reason for low boost on mine is lack of fuel. Im gonna fix that but at moment I have bigger problem, I believe I have cracked ringlanding. This wasnt done by Dom, as I replaced VF39 as I thought turbo was problem due to car smoking and intercooler was full of oil. Car has had excessive blow by for awhile and it was expected. Car made it to 80k with about 50k of it running 25+ psi and car gets raced and beat to crap. Im in process of building my motor, just waiting on few freebie parts first, so patience will pay off. But im am so eager to use this new BHJ torque plate that I have laying here just waiting to be put to use. But on this build it will get some forged pistons, set of cam, PnP tgv, I may polish the heads, PnP intake and throttle body, so hopefully I can see what this thing will do.
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Old 07-19-2012, 08:43 PM   #28
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I'm not disagreeing with you that the 1.5xtr on e85 will out do the VF39 (which wasn't the one i was comparing it to), but on pump vs a vf52 with the exact same setup. The performance will not be very far apart.

With that being said, every turbo combination will runs better on e85. A good TD06 20g on e85 will do north of 450whp on a solid setup and also out perform the 1.5xtr on pump.

My problem with the 1.5xtr is that it's not a crazy fast spooling turbo for the power that it puts out. For it's range, i would expect it to spool as fast as the vf39 (which the Tomei 7760 does), but the 1.5xtr doesn't. There are better options.

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Old 07-19-2012, 09:50 PM   #29
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A 1.5 flows 49lbs and is rated to 480hp, a Blouch 20g-xtr flows 47lbs and is rated to 440hp. I honestly have a hard time believing the 450whp, if that is true then Dom 1.5 should make more power as it flows more CFM and is rated at higher hp from Blouch. Before you jump at me believing 450whp, dynos differ alot and better used for comparison on same dyno, I have seen VF39 posted on nasioc doing 400whp.

Also the tomei 7760 is basically a 20g turbo with 68mm compressor wheel with 56mm exhaust wheel. Tomei is also journal bearing and Dom 1.5 is ball bearing so tranist response should be better from Dom 1.5.

Honestly there is alot of good choices out there and I think what person is looking for in there own optinion will help them decide. Plus I think alot of dyno sheets are skewed, only way I would ever honestly compare dyno sheets/whp is if it is done on same car with same mods under same conditions.

And yes I agree with you, pump fuel will have closer results, typically when turbos get bigger and move more CFM they need higher octane to take advantage of higher boost that you run with larger turbo. Also it is normal for larger turbo that moves more cfm to spool late, kinda by product of larger turbo.

Also I know you wasnt comparing to VF39, but 39 and 52 flow identical CFM @ 435CFM@18psi so basically they are comparable. Those dyno sheets also were on 67/33 Meth (measured by volume) not E85. E85 will make higher power numbers than those.

Also not knocking Tomei products as Im using set of there cams in my motor build, only manufacture that I could find who actually done real comparsion that was actually posted.

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Old 07-19-2012, 10:04 PM   #30
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but on pump vs a vf52 with the exact same setup. The performance will not be very far apart.
For my car, VF and Dom 1.5, both tunes peak at 18 psi. The Dom holds it flat till redline, the VF tapers down to 14 or 15. The Dom makes 355 whp, the VF 300. This is on stock motor, so not pushed to the max. Both tunes make about the same max torque, which you would expect at same max boost. If I pushed a bit more boost, the Dom would make more, whereas the VF is done at high RPM.

If you call that not very far apart, then I don't know what you are expecting.

Maybe a 20G would do as well or better, I can't say for sure. But the Dom is very different from the VF.
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Also the tomei 7760 is basically a 20g turbo with 68mm compressor wheel with 56mm exhaust wheel. Tomei is also journal bearing and Dom 1.5 is ball bearing so tranist response should be better from Dom 1.5.
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Not true. I'm running the ATP 3071R (similar to the 2.5xtr and also a BB turbo) on my 2.5L STI and the transistion response is better with the Tomei 7760 on my 2.0L WRX.

I've been through quite a few turbo/setup combinations and things are not always what they appear on paper and the results are not always congruent with what is advertised.

In the end, if it makes the OP happy than that's what matters.
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Old 07-19-2012, 10:07 PM   #32
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For my car, VF and Dom 1.5, both tunes peak at 18 psi. The Dom holds it flat till redline, the VF tapers down to 14 or 15. The Dom makes 355 whp, the VF 300. This is on stock motor, so not pushed to the max. Both tunes make about the same max torque, which you would expect at same max boost. If I pushed a bit more boost, the Dom would make more, whereas the VF is done at high RPM.

If you call that not very far apart, then I don't know what you are expecting.

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Just check out the VF52 thread. I'll leave it at that.
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Old 07-20-2012, 02:30 AM   #33
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VF39/Dom 1.5XTR comparison dyno shows 20 psi for the Dom 1.5 and the VF39 at 24.5 psi. So that's all for that dyno chart.

Just check out the thread by Top Speed testing on the Dom 1.5XTR, that's all I'm going to say.
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Old 07-20-2012, 08:06 AM   #34
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VF39/Dom 1.5XTR comparison dyno shows 20 psi for the Dom 1.5 and the VF39 at 24.5 psi. So that's all for that dyno chart.

Just check out the thread by Top Speed testing on the Dom 1.5XTR, that's all I'm going to say.
Boost pressure was clearly stated in post. Reason for post was to show that Dom 1.5 made ~60whp more efficently. VF is pushed to limits, Dom isnt really pushed at all. Dyno was on same car, same mods, only thing different was turbo.

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Old 07-20-2012, 08:14 AM   #35
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Sorry not trying to thread jack you there, just wanted to show comparision of VF39 to Dom 1.5
good info!

while there is lots of good info here between the vf39 and dom 1.5xtr, i couldnt stress more how different these turbos feel and are to drive. It does not even feel like the same car. Hopefully all this info will help others choose when looking for a turbo upgrade.

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Old 07-20-2012, 08:24 AM   #36
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Boost pressure was clearly stated in post. Reason for post was to show that Dom 1.5 made ~60whp more efficently. VF is pushed to limits, Dom isnt really pushed at all. Dyno was on same car, same mods, othe thing different was turbo.
sorry my bad I misread the info posted carry on. I'm just excited to get my Dom 1.5XTR installed and tuned at high altitude. Then I might need to get it tuned again at lower altitude and higher octane than 91 in CO.
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good info!

while there is lots of good info here between the vf39 and dom 1.5xtr, i couldnt stress more how different these turbos feel and are to drive. It does not even feel like the same car. Hopefully all this info will help others choose when looking for a turbo upgrade.
I currently am running a VF48 on 91oct w/ meth and the dom1.5 is what im considering. My biggest fear is getting something and being comepletely let down by the end result. What you are saying here is exactly what people like me need to hear.
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I currently am running a VF48 on 91oct w/ meth and the dom1.5 is what im considering. My biggest fear is getting something and being comepletely let down by the end result. What you are saying here is exactly what people like me need to hear.
to be completely honest i am a LITTLE dissapointed that i was not able to fully utilitze this turbo because of my engine and fuel limitations, otherwise it would be PERFECT. Am i happy? yes. I just learned a little too late the importance of fuel quality and types when it comes to turbo upgrades and efficiencies. its just a shame i wont have the ability to give this turbo the boost it wants to see because i dont have access to anything other than 93. Is this a big issue? no. I am satisfied with my car and how it drives.

It is my personal opinion that the size of this turbo is a lot better match than the vf39 or even worse td04. I can not stress how much better it feels to drive a car with a turbo that is properly sized to go along with the engine.

Even if i am limited by other factors, this turbo is more fun to drive. Even if this was tuned down to output the same power as my vf39 i would still choose it over the vf39 because of its safer to make the same power at less boost pressure. The car breathes a little easier, and driving is more friendly. boost spike and creep are a thing of the past, rather than a constant worry with the vf39
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You guys cant use this car as a comparo of turbo a vs turbo b.

The MAFv was at 4.8 and teh idc was approaching 90%.....in IAT's of nearly 100*.

This car has ****loads of power left in it. But i cant in good conscience push the MAFv to 5 and 100% IDC in warm weather. Even as is i told him to monitor the car when it gets cold to make sure neither the maf nor idc goes static.

This turbo will easily make 80-100whp over a VF when both are completely maxed out.
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another guy that went from vf43 to dom1.5 here. phatron is tuning my setup too. i think im close to the op as far as airboy numbers go. its hard to tell from this heat but i do like this turbo.

with the vf you get that nice kick and then you can feel it fall off with the dom the kick is similar but it stays and holds power to redline.im also on a 5spd. its nice to know that when i upgrade the tranny that i can up the boost or run e85 and have that much more power but still make good power now while saving and keeping things safe on the internals.

i must admit at first i was thinking that i wasted my money for such little gain but as i received more revisions from phatron each being a improvement the more i liked the gains from this turbo and its powerband. in this heat the vf had no power, my car felt like a dog, with this turbo it doesnt feel so underpowered. my setup now in this heat still feels better than the vf during colder months. i also hit 4.8v when it cooled down the other day. since then my iat have been 100+ doing logs.
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Well sounds like he needs to get big maf on there and either meth or some bigger injectors to push this thing some more.
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You guys cant use this car as a comparo of turbo a vs turbo b.

The MAFv was at 4.8 and teh idc was approaching 90%.....in IAT's of nearly 100*.

This car has ****loads of power left in it. But i cant in good conscience push the MAFv to 5 and 100% IDC in warm weather. Even as is i told him to monitor the car when it gets cold to make sure neither the maf nor idc goes static.

This turbo will easily make 80-100whp over a VF when both are completely maxed out.
the man himself! thank you for the kind words. I am verry happy with the car for now, and when i can acquire some more funds, and more importantly a second means of transportation, you will be the first i contact as to the next step. For now i just hope it holds up long enough to do just that, and i believe it will.

again, dont let the charts fool you, this car is WAY faster than it was before with a vf39. peak numbers mean NOTHING!!!!

side note: we have already discussed fueling options, but as far as maxing the MAF goes, what do you reccommend we do to allow for more power down the road? do you prefer to use MAP based tuning? trick the MAF by re-scaling it/whatever trick i am referring to but cant find the words? use an aftermarket MAF that can read higher volts? larger intake pipe? larger turbo inlet? both?

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with the vf you get that nice kick and then you can feel it fall off with the dom the kick is similar but it stays and holds power to redline.im also on a 5spd. its nice to know that when i upgrade the tranny that i can up the boost or run e85 and have that much more power but still make good power now while saving and keeping things safe on the internals.

i must admit at first i was thinking that i wasted my money for such little gain but as i received more revisions from phatron each being a improvement the more i liked the gains from this turbo and its powerband. in this heat the vf had no power, my car felt like a dog, with this turbo it doesnt feel so underpowered. my setup now in this heat still feels better than the vf during colder months. i also hit 4.8v when it cooled down the other day. since then my iat have been 100+ doing logs.
1. I am also on 5sp, but it is rebuilt with PPG gears, as mine blew up on the dyno on my last tune

2. i agree with the revision comment. it did get NOTICEABLY better with each revision. especially the timing! i think i like timing more than boost, but thatt is neither here nor there...

i havent had a day since being tuned 3 weeks ago where the ambient temp wasnt below 90*....IATs over 100 so i just dont get on it when its that hot....period....car doesnt hit boost right, feels strained....not as smooth...power loss...i just dont its not worth it...sure wish it would cool off already

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Well sounds like he needs to get big maf on there and either meth or some bigger injectors to push this thing some more.
I would, but i need to save for an engine first. My gut tells me it will break. i could be wrong, but i just got a bad feeling about pushing it. If my car goes down thats it, no way to work, **** gets bad fast. This is my DD and i need a backup if i am going to push it, which i will, just need more time and $ first. I didnt come this far to stop now, the addiction will continue!

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Just to add some perspective: I recently installed a 1.5xtr 8cm 3" inlet on a fully built 07sti "cams,head work,ets top mount,e85 etc". And since we only have 130 miles on the new combo we cant push it yet, but I am suprised at how much slower it spools compared with the map billet 20g we had on previously..hoping the 1.5 makes up for it in the higher rpm based on everyone good results.
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Just to add some perspective: I recently installed a 1.5xtr 8cm 3" inlet on a fully built 07sti "cams,head work,ets top mount,e85 etc". And since we only have 130 miles on the new combo we cant push it yet, but I am suprised at how much slower it spools compared with the map billet 20g we had on previously..hoping the 1.5 makes up for it in the higher rpm based on everyone good results.
strange. TopSpeed's results showed the dom 1.5 both outflowing and outspooling the 20g. are you sure its not the cams moving the powerband?
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strange. TopSpeed's results showed the dom 1.5 both outflowing and outspooling the 20g. are you sure its not the cams moving the powerband?
I used the s1 cams and bumped the comp from 8.22 to 8.6:1 to help minimize any low end loss, also my datalogs with the billet 20g were in 45 degree temps and the 1.5 logs are from the yesterdays temp of 74 degrees so that doesnt help. btw i dont think topspeed ever posted or even used the maperformance 20g.
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ditto on the revision with more timing comment. the extra timing gave it more pep for sure.

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I moved to a non-billet 20G to 1.5XTR and I could notice the transient response being much better on the dom1.5. It reaches peak spool about 100-200rpms sooner, but it just feels a whole lot better on the street. It also pulls quite a bit harder too.

And, MUCH faster than my previous VF52 setup
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^ good post. real world experience counts for a lot. keep the good info coming
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07VTRex, are you still completely happy with the 1.5xtr? Im at the point that all I need to order is my turbo and im still not sure which to go (have a ks tech 73mm & id1000's here now). Im debating between the 20g xtr, and the 1.5xtr or just going upto the 2.5xtr since I have a built engine and 6spd already.
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I am happy with where I am but I still wish I had an engine that could take the power this thing wants to put out. I am very happy with this turbo. the way it feels, spools, holds power, doesn't overboost, etc

having had this I would not even consider am 18 or 20g if I were to do it again. it would either be 1.5 or rotated 3076. I can't compare the 2.5 as I haven't ridden in one but I would consider it. I think any bigger and rotated would be the way to go
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