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Old 01-22-2013, 12:37 PM   #276
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Wow I didn't realize how horrible a 1/2 unpainted plastic back end looked until the blue one in that jalopnic link. I honestly cvan't make up my mind now.
I do wish they'd actually built a real rear diffuser... this unpainted bumper bottom = just as good as real aerodynamics to the uneducated buyer fad really needs to end.

You know the first thing some of the old-school vette guys will do is wax the plastic.
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I'm not sure about the rear end. As a Corvette fan, the rear end doesn't seem to have the Corvette-ness feel. I'm sure it will grow on me once I see it in person. For some reason, when I see the rear end with the new logo, I think Pontiac Firebird. The front and side looks sharp.
I'm right there with ya on all counts

Something inside of me keeps saying they have the color flipped:
black should be around the lights, color underneath them...
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Old 01-22-2013, 04:10 PM   #278
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The rear end is simply too busy. I cleaned out the lines that are supposed to match the hood, removed the gigantic reflectors (make them smaller or incorporate into the lights), and of course added more paint.

I'm still not entirely happy with it, but really its not bad. As has been said, the front and sides are pretty well done. Overall I applaud GM for taking the rear in a new direction.


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Old 01-22-2013, 07:48 PM   #279
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Overall I applaud GM for taking the rear in a new direction.

Taking the rear in a new direction is illegal in many states.


(Just as this rear view of the new vette should be)
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Old 01-22-2013, 08:37 PM   #280
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There are some photochops of the rear end on The Mustang Source - done a little better IMO, but with the same intent of lessening the cheap black plastic look. It's the tail lights that really kill the look. Get rid of the prison tear drop tattoo vents and flip those lights upside down. Then, maybe...
And that F-40, still good looking after all these years.
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Old 01-24-2013, 09:46 AM   #281
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The F40 looks like a race car with some cheap 1980s trailer lights used to make it just barely road legal. The Corvette doesn't need to look like it has trailer lights just because the C3, C4, C5 & C6 had what looked like cheap trailer lights. It's a car built by one of the largest car companies on the planet.. it should have modern, styled tail lights.

You know what cars still have 1980s trailer lights on the rear? Cars built by tiny sports car makers that make track cars that are barely passable on the street.

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Old 01-26-2013, 01:23 AM   #282
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So after years of building cars with "cheap trailer lights" GM found the need to overcompensate in this area by overstyling them along with the rear end as a whole. It does not match the relatively cleaner look of the front. IMO these lights + the black plastic vents and bumper area serve to cheapen the look of the car.
And yes, the F40 is pretty much a race car that had barely legal road versions sold to satisfy FIA homologation rules.
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Old 01-26-2013, 10:52 AM   #283
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And yes, the F40 is pretty much a race car that had barely legal road versions sold to satisfy FIA homologation rules.
What motorsports series was Ferrari racing the F40 in that it needed to be FIA homologated for, again?
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Old 01-26-2013, 12:06 PM   #284
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Ugh, looks like I got it backazzwards. F40 was a road car derivative of the 288 GTO Evoluzione which, along with Porsche's 959, found itself without a place to compete when FIA did away with the Group B sportscar/rally racing class. Guess Ferrari did not want to see the 288 GTO Evo's developmental work wasted and the company's 40th anniversary was coming up so...
However it did "go back to its roots" and ended up racing in the late 80's to mid-90's in the hands of private race teams in various GT racing series in F40 LM and Competizione guises.
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Old 01-28-2013, 12:55 AM   #285
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I spitballed this thought on another forum, thought I'd post it here:

The more important question is going to be what kind of mid-model update will the C7 get when the new Mustang launches. I'm not a Ford fan, but objectively, Ford really took the gloves off with the 2011 update to the Mustang. The next-generation Mustang is rumored to get an IRS, a substantial reduction in curb weight (100+lb at least), and possibly a DI update to the Coyote. For the first time since pretty much ever, it looks like the next-gen GT might become a legitimate threat to the Corvette. That's speculation of course, and it probably won't actually beat the Corvette, but it could become close enough to make buyers question the price/performance difference between the two cars. And something like the Boss could actually step on toes.

The next-gen Alpha platform Camaro will see similar improvements, so I think the "pony" cars are going to be in a very interesting position vis-a-vis the Vette in a few years. The fact that both GM and Ford are considering optional twin-turbo V6's for the next Camaro/Mustang will make things even more interesting to the warranty-indifferent tuner market. Indeed, I think GM could be thrust into an uncomfortable place with the next Camaro. If Ford really delivers on the Mustang, the Camaro that can match it will be perilously close to cannibalizing Corvette marketshare; even to the point where differentiating the Camaro SS and base Corvette motor may become a necessity.

It's going to be interesting to watch, that's for sure.
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The best Mustang is already closely matched to the base Corvette performance wise. I will thoroughly enjoy the day when Corvette drivers jump ship.
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Old 01-28-2013, 04:10 PM   #287
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I spitballed this thought on another forum, thought I'd post it here:

The more important question is going to be what kind of mid-model update will the C7 get when the new Mustang launches. I'm not a Ford fan, but objectively, Ford really took the gloves off with the 2011 update to the Mustang. The next-generation Mustang is rumored to get an IRS, a substantial reduction in curb weight (100+lb at least), and possibly a DI update to the Coyote. For the first time since pretty much ever, it looks like the next-gen GT might become a legitimate threat to the Corvette. That's speculation of course, and it probably won't actually beat the Corvette, but it could become close enough to make buyers question the price/performance difference between the two cars. And something like the Boss could actually step on toes.

The next-gen Alpha platform Camaro will see similar improvements, so I think the "pony" cars are going to be in a very interesting position vis-a-vis the Vette in a few years. The fact that both GM and Ford are considering optional twin-turbo V6's for the next Camaro/Mustang will make things even more interesting to the warranty-indifferent tuner market. Indeed, I think GM could be thrust into an uncomfortable place with the next Camaro. If Ford really delivers on the Mustang, the Camaro that can match it will be perilously close to cannibalizing Corvette marketshare; even to the point where differentiating the Camaro SS and base Corvette motor may become a necessity.

It's going to be interesting to watch, that's for sure.
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The best Mustang is already closely matched to the base Corvette performance wise. I will thoroughly enjoy the day when Corvette drivers jump ship.
This.

The Mustang is hundreds of pounds heavier than a Corvette. It also has a higher center of gravity. You'll have to go up in Mustang models to find something that compares to a base model Corvette. People don't generally compare up-model to base model when comparison shopping. Some do, most don't.

Given that people buying for purely performance reasons make up a very small portion of sales for either car I don't think there'll be too much "jumping ship" from Corvette to Mustang. One is a quick and sporty 2-door coupe in a 2+2 configuration. The other is a true sports car / touring car which seats 2 and only 2. I would wager that a most people looking at a Mustang are looking for the appearance, power, handling, AND some capacity to haul children and/or "stuff" in the car. People looking at a Corvette are, true to target market stereotype, older and don't generally need to worry about hauling children. They need space for a set of golf clubs or enough luggage for a weekend getaway. Or they are just out of college and need an affordable "status" car to pick up women.


Given the high performance output of the Caddy "V" models, the Camaro Z28 and ZL-1, and the upcoming Chevy SS I don't think GM really cares or is worried about taking away from Corvette sales.
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Totally different market.

IMO, spending $65k for a well equipped Mustang GT500 ($70k for convertible) before dealer mark ups is a very poor move. But for the people that really want a Mustang from the factory that's slightly behind par of the C7's performance. . . well, the marketing team should get a bonus check (same for ZL1).
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Totally different market.

IMO, spending $65k for a well equipped Mustang GT500 ($70k for convertible) before dealer mark ups is a very poor move. But for the people that really want a Mustang from the factory that's slightly behind par of the C7's performance. . . well, the marketing team should get a bonus check (same for ZL1).
GT500 is a slob with alot of power. I was talking about the base BOSS 302 / LS version. Its faster or similar to the GT500 around many tracks.

Look up the lap times, many are faster or close to a C5 Z06 / base C6.

If the next gen mustang is smaller/ lighter/ IRS/ DI it will be close if not > Corvette numbers. Dont get me wrong I like Corvettes but they are starting to lose the bang for the buck value.
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And then Corvette goes on to win a 7th Lemans title with the C7R and all doubters will be forced to be quiet...


I think the back end is ugly as well, and I have never actually wanted a corvette personally, but I can appreciate the amazing performance/dollar value, and I DEEPLY respect ANY Model of car that can win LeMan MULTIPLE times.
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GT500 is a slob with alot of power. I was talking about the base BOSS 302 / LS version. Its faster or similar to the GT500 around many tracks.

Look up the lap times, many are faster or close to a C5 Z06 / base C6.

If the next gen mustang is smaller/ lighter/ IRS/ DI it will be close if not > Corvette numbers. Dont get me wrong I like Corvettes but they are starting to lose the bang for the buck value.
Price point for C7 is ~$55k. Current C7 speculation is somewhere between Z51 C6/C6GS and C6Z06. How is that not bang for buck?

I don't even like the C7, but I cannot deny the performance/$$ based on the C5 & C6.

But the Boss is $50k. So . . .
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To be precise, GM's engineers were out testing three pre-production Corvette Stingray models in Arizona, with the black-colored car fitted with a 7-speed manual and the optional Z51 performance and aero package, while the blue and red coupes were base variants.

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Even I am considering saving up my dollars and getting a '15/'16 C7 Z51. By that time you'll easily get it for $4-5k under MSRP.
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Price point for C7 is ~$55k. Current C7 speculation is somewhere between Z51 C6/C6GS and C6Z06. How is that not bang for buck?

I don't even like the C7, but I cannot deny the performance/$$ based on the C5 & C6.

But the Boss is $50k. So . . .
They still have great performance for the money, but other cars are catching up. I would drive the **** out of a C6 z51 as a weekend / track day car.

Hopefully the next gen Camaro/Mustang close the gap even further. The Corvette hasnt had any real competition in years.


Typical GM with **** missing off those 3 test cars. Black one has no rear reflectors and the front bumper fits like **** on the blue one.

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Typical GM with **** missing off those 3 test cars. Black one has no rear reflectors and the front bumper fits like **** on the blue one.
Well they are one off pre-production models aren't they?
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The third one should have been white. 'Murica!
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I really like the front of the car. However, it looks like they ran out of ideas on how to finish the rear of the car and just slapped a Camaro rear end on it.
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I'm generally fine with the C7, but they need to color in that badge because I'm really thinking this:

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Wow, just got sight of the new look. I applaud them for breaking some tradition and bringing a breath of fresh air, but I see the rear as 1) VERY busy 2) potentially very polarizing and 3) yet another overuse of the Camaro taillight 'default'. I think they maybe should have chosen between the exhaust pipe organ or the busy crazy taillights and vents and such. It just looks so damn busy back there. Busier than any vette has looked ever...yet with a smack of GTR to it as well. Curious to see how its received.
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I'm generally fine with the C7, but they need to color in that badge because I'm really thinking this:

No if it where the fire chicken it would be AWE-SOME!!!!!
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