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Old 10-18-2013, 07:14 PM   #1
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Default Innovative LC-2, anyone have one yet?

Has anyone played with the LC-2 from innovative Motorsports? I went to order a LC-1 from Rallysport but they don't carry them anymore and will get the LC-2s in at the end of the month.

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Old 10-22-2013, 04:03 PM   #2
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Yeah I had the same thing they sent the lc2 on accident haven't installed yet... waiting for build to be finished
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Old 10-22-2013, 06:36 PM   #3
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I have an LC1 brand new if you're interested.
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Old 10-23-2013, 12:05 PM   #4
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I will probably stay away from any Innovative Wideband that you have to calibrate...not worth the hassle
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Old 10-23-2013, 02:16 PM   #5
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I will probably stay away from any Innovative Wideband that you have to calibrate...not worth the hassle
I'm a chemistry/physics student. Any tool I use to measure accurately needs to be re-calibrated all the time. If an AFR sensor didn't need to be calibrated or have some sort of auto calibration function to it I would be kinda leery of its accuracy. The fact that twice I year I need to pull the sensor out of the pipe and cycle the key doesn't bother me if it reads extremely accurate.
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Old 10-23-2013, 02:21 PM   #6
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The LC-2 is the new digital setup. I haven't used it yet but I will be switching to it soon. I have used the MTX-L in numerous cars (basically the same as the LC-2) and it is the best wideband out in my opinion. I have used the AEM, PLX, LC-1 and Autometer widebands and this is by far the easiest to install and fastest to respond. The calibration feature I actually like. It only has to be done every 3 months and is really easy.
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Old 10-23-2013, 02:56 PM   #7
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The LC-2 is the new digital setup. I haven't used it yet but I will be switching to it soon. I have used the MTX-L in numerous cars (basically the same as the LC-2) and it is the best wideband out in my opinion. I have used the AEM, PLX, LC-1 and Autometer widebands and this is by far the easiest to install and fastest to respond. The calibration feature I actually like. It only has to be done every 3 months and is really easy.
I received and installed it last night but haven't had a chance to log with it yet or install the gauge. Waiting until next check to order my dash pod. The install was stupid easy and the parts seem really nice. I'm concerned though cause I stuck it in the port that came with my downpipe right behind the turbo. Is this gonna kill the sensor extremely quicker then having it 12-24 inches down stream?
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Old 10-23-2013, 03:21 PM   #8
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The O2 sensor being so close does shorten the life a little. I found I have to replace mine every 6-12 months.
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Old 10-23-2013, 03:27 PM   #9
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The O2 sensor being so close does shorten the life a little. I found I have to replace mine every 6-12 months.
hm, maybe when I have some extra time after the semester I'll pull the downpipe off and move it back 12 inches and clock it at 3ish to fit cause of the firewall.
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Old 10-23-2013, 03:32 PM   #10
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That is the best solution. It will add some longevity to the sensor.
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Old 10-23-2013, 03:38 PM   #11
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Will it have a negative impact on how well the sensor reads/response time or anything?
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Old 10-23-2013, 05:04 PM   #12
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nope, as long as its calibrated it will work the same.
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Old 10-24-2013, 02:29 PM   #13
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I'm a chemistry/physics student. Any tool I use to measure accurately needs to be re-calibrated all the time. If an AFR sensor didn't need to be calibrated or have some sort of auto calibration function to it I would be kinda leery of its accuracy. The fact that twice I year I need to pull the sensor out of the pipe and cycle the key doesn't bother me if it reads extremely accurate.
Cool, and I understand that. But, for the LC series to require recalibrations and then do odd things (not hold calibration, work finicky afterwards, have trouble logging 50% of the time) is not worth it. Buy an AEM Uego.

We aren't working with extreme precision here, but what we are working with we needs to work correctly, and all the time. I've had so many issues with the LC-1 I wouldn't ever consider another LC product.
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Old 10-24-2013, 02:33 PM   #14
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I should add:

I had a perfectly functioning LC-1 for 1 year and LOVED it! Then Phatron mentioned how much trouble they are in another thread. Stupid me, I told him I had no issues....he told me how fortunate I was. Less than a couple months later the whole recalibration/logging issue bit me. The last thing you need is an iffy wideband on a 550+whp subaru, or any car for that matter. Needless to say I sold it as soon as I could...

The AEM Uego has been 100% with no issues whatsoever. My brothers lasted 4 years, no problems...then he sold the car. I'm sure it's still working correctly
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Old 10-24-2013, 02:36 PM   #15
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I had a perfectly functioning LC-1 for 1 year and LOVED it! Then Phatron mentioned how much trouble they are in another thread. Stupid me, I told him I had no issues....he told me how fortunate I was. Less than a couple months later the whole recalibration/logging issue bit me. The last thing you need is an iffy wideband on a 550+whp subaru, or any car for that matter. Needless to say I sold it as soon as I could...

The AEM Uego has been 100% with no issues whatsoever. My brothers lasted 4 years, no problems...then he sold the car. I'm sure it's still working correctly
Well I have mixed reactions to the LC-2 now but I already bought it and installed it so I guess I'll have to be a test dummy for it . My mounting point sucks though, I'm going to move it farther back in a few months when I have a break from school.
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Well I have mixed reactions to the LC-2 now but I already bought it and installed it so I guess I'll have to be a test dummy for it . My mounting point sucks though, I'm going to move it farther back in a few months when I have a break from school.

Cool man, keep this thread up to date every now and then...I'd like to see if they made any progress with it!
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Old 10-24-2013, 03:01 PM   #17
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Well according to Extreme Turbo Systems the controller of the LC-2 is the same as the MTX-L now. So hopefully it holds up well. I'll keep updating this, but it's just on a stage 2-ish daily driver. I'm not in the 400 hp club yet...
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Old 10-24-2013, 03:11 PM   #18
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They both utilize the same 100% electronic design. The LC-2 is a cable though as the MTX-L is self contained.
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They both utilize the same 100% electronic design. The LC-2 is a cable though as the MTX-L is self contained.
ah ok, well I was close. What was the LC-1 then if the LC-2 is 100% electronic design?
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I could be wrong but the LC-1 is more comparable to the AEM UEGO.
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I could be wrong but the LC-1 is more comparable to the AEM UEGO.
Unfortunately incorrect. LC-1 uses a different (cheap) sensor, is much more picky about grounding, more wiring, no led sweep on gauge face, needs free air calibration, and sucks.
The LC-2 is a definite improvement though. We'll see how people like it.
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Old 10-25-2013, 12:40 PM   #22
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The O2 sensor being so close does shorten the life a little. I found I have to replace mine every 6-12 months.
I have only heard of this replacing often issue with Innovate Widebands.

I have mine right next to the turbo and it's been there for about 5 years. Zeitronix.

They all use the same actual O2 sensor, it's crazy that the LC1 has so many problems, but everyone I know with a UEGO or Zeitronix has none. Hopefully the LC2 is better.
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Old 10-30-2013, 12:56 PM   #23
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I will probably stay away from any Innovative Wideband that you have to calibrate...not worth the hassle

I prefer accuracy and fast response to inconvenience.
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Unfortunately incorrect. LC-1 uses a different (cheap) sensor, is much more picky about grounding, more wiring, no led sweep on gauge face, needs free air calibration, and sucks.
The LC-2 is a definite improvement though. We'll see how people like it.
Does it use the new LSU 4.9 sensor? I've heard that is a vast improvement over the LSU 4.2 sensor.

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I have only heard of this replacing often issue with Innovate Widebands.

I have mine right next to the turbo and it's been there for about 5 years. Zeitronix.

They all use the same actual O2 sensor, it's crazy that the LC1 has so many problems, but everyone I know with a UEGO or Zeitronix has none. Hopefully the LC2 is better.
See above. Not all sensors are the same. More importantly, the heater controller is just as important as the sensor itself and the LC-1 was suseptable to poor grounding affecting its longevity.
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Old 10-30-2013, 02:07 PM   #25
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Does it use the new LSU 4.9 sensor? I've heard that is a vast improvement over the LSU 4.2 sensor.
Is there a way to tell looking at the sensor if its the LSU 4.2 or LSU 4.9? So far its working great and reads super accurate. My dash gauge is reading slightly higher then what romraider and the software that comes with the LC-2 says so I gotta figure that out cause its going to drive me nuts. It reads lie .2 to .4 higher...grounding issue for the gauge maybe?
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