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Old 07-26-2012, 02:44 PM   #101
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how can they even print that article and admit they didnt even know what motor was in teh car

especially after they had it all disassembled...
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Old 07-26-2012, 10:59 PM   #102
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Can't wait to see that.
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Old 07-26-2012, 11:23 PM   #103
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The lack of reading of the facts and the keyboard experts are making me giggle a good bit.

Ron, I'd had wondered the same on the turbo 5.3...I mean 4.8L build BUT if I was doing the same things they were and was told it was a 5.3L I wouldn't have thought to double check stroke or other such things when going in to simply gap rings for a quick magazine project. I would have check my inital numbers on the engine. I'm still wondering why the initial dyno run didn't trigger any alarms.
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Old 07-27-2012, 07:02 AM   #104
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The lack of reading of the facts and the keyboard experts are making me giggle a good bit.

Ron, I'd had wondered the same on the turbo 5.3...I mean 4.8L build BUT if I was doing the same things they were and was told it was a 5.3L I wouldn't have thought to double check stroke or other such things when going in to simply gap rings for a quick magazine project. I would have check my inital numbers on the engine. I'm still wondering why the initial dyno run didn't trigger any alarms.
The article did say they was something funny on the baseline dyno run it's crazy how much power they got out of that thing though.
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Old 07-27-2012, 09:14 PM   #105
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I'm happy to see options becoming available rather quickly for these cars. The full potential of the BRZ/FRS has yet to be achieved so exploring options is never a bad thing.
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Old 07-28-2012, 07:43 PM   #106
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Nice work. Now it needs more boost and E85/race gas

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You can't run more than about 6 PSI on an N/A engine.
Tell that to the hoards of turbo Hondas running around making 300+whp on a 10:1 compression (or higher) stock block.
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Old 07-29-2012, 04:02 PM   #107
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Nice finally turn that sucker up on e85
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Old 07-29-2012, 06:30 PM   #108
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Nice work. Now it needs more boost and E85/race gas



Tell that to the hoards of turbo Hondas running around making 300+whp on a 10:1 compression (or higher) stock block.

Most hondas are in the 9-10.5:1 range... the BRZ is 12.5 which has been stated.. big difference.
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Old 07-29-2012, 09:10 PM   #109
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Most hondas are in the 9-10.5:1 range... the BRZ is 12.5 which has been stated.. big difference.


Methanol will work lol
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Old 07-29-2012, 09:18 PM   #110
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Most hondas are in the 9-10.5:1 range... the BRZ is 12.5 which has been stated.. big difference.
Static CR is a terrible metric to compare engines with.
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Old 07-29-2012, 09:45 PM   #111
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I was wondering the same thing

+1. Never seen that before. I'm not a engine pro, but it definitely caught my eye. Very curious as to what is going on there.
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Old 07-30-2012, 10:31 PM   #112
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+1. Never seen that before. I'm not a engine pro, but it definitely caught my eye. Very curious as to what is going on there.
The rod caps have been rotated so the piston and rod assembly can be removed without splitting the block halves. Toyota engineers did not like assembling the piston to rod inside the block. This is more common in some of the euro boxer motors.
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Old 07-30-2012, 10:55 PM   #113
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That sounds awesome! I wish it just would have came 2.5L turboed from the factory though.
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Old 07-30-2012, 11:39 PM   #114
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Only 500WHP to go!.. the early days of boosted S2000's started with low power and had alot of critics as well.
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Old 07-31-2012, 02:34 AM   #115
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To all the people that think there is no problem with boosting an N/A Subaru, you're dead wrong. I've had a lot of experience boosting the 2.2 and 2.5 (EJ25D) engines and running anything over 6lbs was asking for trouble. Especially if you plan on using the boost a lot. 8lbs is certainly death for the block. The compression ratio and the extremely openess of the deck is the major killer for the Scoober N/A's. That's my 2 cents and I have numerous motor blows to proove it.

Back to the topic, I think this is great. I was really bummed that Subaru didn't have immediate plans to make this an FI setup from the factory. I knew it was only a matter of time before someone did it. Although, I didn't expect this anywhere near this soon. Great job on the build. You're doing it right by strarting small. Keep up the great work!
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Old 07-31-2012, 04:36 AM   #116
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To all the people that think there is no problem with boosting an N/A Subaru, you're dead wrong. I've had a lot of experience boosting the 2.2 and 2.5 (EJ25D) engines and running anything over 6lbs was asking for trouble. Especially if you plan on using the boost a lot. 8lbs is certainly death for the block. The compression ratio and the extremely openess of the deck is the major killer for the Scoober N/A's. That's my 2 cents and I have numerous motor blows to proove it.

Back to the topic, I think this is great. I was really bummed that Subaru didn't have immediate plans to make this an FI setup from the factory. I knew it was only a matter of time before someone did it. Although, I didn't expect this anywhere near this soon. Great job on the build. You're doing it right by strarting small. Keep up the great work!

soooo....just exactly how many of these new fb motors have ya boosted....mmmmm????

maybe ya just need to go get a couple and try it and see and THEN tell everybody wassupwidat
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Old 07-31-2012, 10:48 AM   #117
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Boost is over rated ;-)
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Old 07-31-2012, 11:57 AM   #118
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To all the people that think there is no problem with boosting an N/A Subaru, you're dead wrong. I've had a lot of experience boosting the 2.2 and 2.5 (EJ25D) engines and running anything over 6lbs was asking for trouble. Especially if you plan on using the boost a lot. 8lbs is certainly death for the block. The compression ratio and the extremely openess of the deck is the major killer for the Scoober N/A's. That's my 2 cents and I have numerous motor blows to proove it.
I think it has more to do with the tune. Our "open deck" blocks are still semi-closed compared to a honda. There are lots of examples of boosted NA subies that have reliably run over 6 psi. We also have meth and E85 which can significantly help with high CR motors.

Aside from all of that this is a new platform so you might as well be comparing apples to oranges.
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Old 07-31-2012, 12:09 PM   #119
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I wonder if it would ever be possible to purchase a new rolling brz chassis? (no motor or transmission)
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Old 07-31-2012, 12:37 PM   #120
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I wonder if it would ever be possible to purchase a new rolling brz chassis? (no motor or transmission)
Probably not but your are more than welcome to buy a complete car and ditch the engine and tranny already in there.
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Old 07-31-2012, 12:41 PM   #121
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Dibs on the motor^^^^
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Old 07-31-2012, 01:16 PM   #122
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soooo....just exactly how many of these new fb motors have ya boosted....mmmmm????

maybe ya just need to go get a couple and try it and see and THEN tell everybody wassupwidat
Oh. You mean the new "First and only horizontally opposed Boxer engine"? (See Scion FR-S commercial) None. They're so new and no car has ever had one before. How could my non-existent horizontally opposed Boxer engine in my previous Subarus compare?!

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I think it has more to do with the tune. Our "open deck" blocks are still semi-closed compared to a honda. There are lots of examples of boosted NA subies that have reliably run over 6 psi. We also have meth and E85 which can significantly help with high CR motors.

Aside from all of that this is a new platform so you might as well be comparing apples to oranges.
While there are a few very subtle differences with this engine compared to, say, a 2011 Impreza 2.5 N/A, I don't believe the change is enough to safely boost it (over 8lbs) without serious short block work. I guess we'll find out, though! As far as Honda FI setups, I haven't a clue about them. I do know a few people with stock SI's that are running their turbos in the high teens (16-18-ish) and they don't have any issues. Of course, they haven't been boosting for very long, either. I have no idea how long the engines will last.
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Old 07-31-2012, 01:52 PM   #123
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Oh. You mean the new "First and only horizontally opposed Boxer engine"? (See Scion FR-S commercial)
Hate that commercial. Not a single person I've talked to about that car knew it was a Subaru motor, and a lot don't even know Subaru has the "same" car. I don't think if seen much of any, BRZ advertisements.
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Old 07-31-2012, 02:29 PM   #124
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Oh. You mean the new "First and only horizontally opposed Boxer engine"? (See Scion FR-S commercial) None. They're so new and no car has ever had one before. How could my non-existent horizontally opposed Boxer engine in my previous Subarus compare?!
I thought the FRS commercial say "The first and only direct injected horizontally opposed boxer engine"
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Old 07-31-2012, 03:12 PM   #125
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Very cool project. This gives me hope for the BRZ yet! I'll be keeping an eye on this one!
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