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Old 08-16-2012, 06:48 PM   #26
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You mean the comparison of Toyota 0W-20 to Red Line 0W-20 to RLI 0W-20 that's on BITOG?

I'm not talking about a 10K OCI, I'm talking the standard 7.5K OCI. I wouldn't want to run any fuel economy oil for that long with my driving style.
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Old 08-16-2012, 09:32 PM   #27
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Interesting to see people with the BRZ and Impreza engines having issues with oil consumption. Does anyone know if people experienced the same issue with the new Forester engine as well?
I have an UOA (7,500 miles to 14,500 miles) showing that Mobil1 0W20 seems to hold up fine in a FB25 engine but I had to add a quart of oil in the interval.
I'll admit that my wife or I are not driving our 2011 Forester nearly as hard as I would drive a BRZ on my own .
Although, I have taken the FB25 past 6K RPM on multiple occasions (while overtaking or going uphill). I'm about to have another UOA done for the 14,500 to 21,500 interval. I haven't had to add any oil in this latest interval, however, I cheated since I mixed 2 quarts of Mobil1 0W30 along with the 3.5 quarts of 0W20 .
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Old 08-17-2012, 04:34 PM   #28
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You mean the comparison of Toyota 0W-20 to Red Line 0W-20 to RLI 0W-20 that's on BITOG?

I'm not talking about a 10K OCI, I'm talking the standard 7.5K OCI. I wouldn't want to run any fuel economy oil for that long with my driving style.
I just wouldn't make the claim that any oil is better than another oil (or as good as) based on a few random $30 uoa's. Especially if you're trying to compare a POE oil like Red Line. Even driven moderately, the oil will need to hold up to the BRZ's fuel dilution from DI.

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Old 08-17-2012, 11:35 PM   #29
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Strange, I have a 2011 Forester with the FB25, has almost 30k on it using Subaru Synthetic 0W-20 at the recomended intervals with no oil consumption....and I have a 2013 BRZ with the FA20 that is just about due for it's first oil service and hasn't consumed any oil...both are not babied and are driven in the Florida heat & humidity.

What do you guys do to your cars that are consuming oil? Are you sure you are checking your levels correctly?
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Old 08-18-2012, 03:06 AM   #30
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Strange, I have a 2011 Forester with the FB25, has almost 30k on it using Subaru Synthetic 0W-20 at the recomended intervals with no oil consumption....and I have a 2013 BRZ with the FA20 that is just about due for it's first oil service and hasn't consumed any oil...both are not babied and are driven in the Florida heat & humidity.

What do you guys do to your cars that are consuming oil? Are you sure you are checking your levels correctly?
i think the(WRONG) walking on eggshells, tip toe, baby break in is part of the issue.....they dont drive it hard enough to really seat the rings enough and have consumption issues......
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Old 08-18-2012, 10:48 AM   #31
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I think it may be from an easy break-in as well. Opie, how did you break in your cars? I did my FXT break-in by the book (as Unc describes ) and that will be my last by the book break-in.

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Old 08-18-2012, 12:26 PM   #32
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We had ours kept under 4k but I would definitely make sure it had load into it. We did not have any oil consumption on our motor but we also put some engine break-in additive after we picked up the car from the dealership.

We switched over to a synthetic at 1200miles and are using Torco SR-1 0w20 with no oil consumption or burning issues. We will switch to the Torco SR-5 0w20 later on down the road to see how much more we can wring out of the stock motor.

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Old 08-18-2012, 01:34 PM   #33
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I'm right at 3000 miles on my BRZ and have run 6 autocrosses (two before 1000 miles). I've had the factory oil in it all along and have been checking the levels religiously. I haven't lost a single drop. I've also been running in NC/SC, so it's been plenty hot.

Even still, this thread has me wondering what I should do when I go to change my oil for the first time. I plan to continue autocrossing my BRZ 1-2 times a month, so I guess I should consider something different from the Subaru recommended 0w20?
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Old 08-18-2012, 03:48 PM   #34
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Opie, how did you break in your cars?
Same way I've done all my Subies; The only part of the break in rules I followed was the no cruise control rule...and didn't go over 4,000rpm...

...until after the car was properly warmed up...
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Old 08-18-2012, 05:08 PM   #35
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I guess I should actually check the oil level on my BRZ. 2200 miles on it and I haven't checked it yet.

I live by the break it in hard rule. And I make sure to get a load in both directions. I do a fair bit of 5000-6000rpm downshifts with engine braking. It's not just about revving an engine up. It's also about revving an engine "down"...
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Old 08-19-2012, 02:37 AM   #36
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I guess I should actually check the oil level on my BRZ. 2200 miles on it and I haven't checked it yet.

I live by the break it in hard rule. And I make sure to get a load in both directions. I do a fair bit of 5000-6000rpm downshifts with engine braking. It's not just about revving an engine up. It's also about revving an engine "down"...
Downshifting is absolutely the best way to seat the rings. Definitely want to know if people seeing consumption are babying the car during break-in.
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Old 12-03-2012, 05:24 PM   #37
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How are people's oil consumption levels? I'm thinking of dumping the 0W-20 and going with 5W-30. Any thoughts? I figure if STI can recommend it for their BRZ STI parts, then it should be all good.

However, it's been FREEZING here and my car already has a hard time starting up sometimes, but only after it's already been running, then not running for a couple of hours (like to work, then start up for lunch). I'm afraid getting something heavier will just make it that much harder for it to start up. Keep in mind, it doesn't happen that often. I've had about 5 rough starts over 3k miles and today, about 90 minutes ago, was the absolute roughest start I've had.
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Old 12-03-2012, 07:46 PM   #38
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If you're considering a 5W-30, why not consider a 0W-30? That 0W good for cold starts, or so I'm told. Also: block heater?
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I'm using 0W-30 right now I haven't had any oil consumption issues.
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Old 12-03-2012, 08:22 PM   #40
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Engines like this are sensitive to oil viscosity for HP and fuel economy (mostly fuel economy). If I need to dyno the car seeking the highest HP since the baseline was done on 0w20 I would run that. For track or aggressively driving I would go with a 5-30 or even a 10w30.
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If you're considering a 5W-30, why not consider a 0W-30? That 0W good for cold starts, or so I'm told. Also: block heater?
Block heater never!!! I don't like dealing with cords. It hasn't been colder than the coldest days that my 5 other Subarus have ever dealt with, so I'm a bit miffed that the BRZ is doing so poorly in these current freezing temps (0+ degrees F).

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Engines like this are sensitive to oil viscosity for HP and fuel economy (mostly fuel economy). If I need to dyno the car seeking the highest HP since the baseline was done on 0w20 I would run that. For track or aggressively driving I would go with a 5-30 or even a 10w30.
Per the manual, it says to go high for these reasons. I do plan on tracking the car and I do drive aggressively, which I guess was the basis for my questions.
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Old 12-04-2012, 09:27 AM   #42
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I think in terms of reliability staying around oem weight isn't going to effect much. I beat my engine pretty hard over the few races I ran in the brutal summer heat here. Given how narrow the engine bearings are I believe the turbocharged guys should go up a weight in oil to have the best chance of maintaining high oil pressure at high rpm.

Are your hard starts a result of slow engine cranking? If yes stick with the water weight over the winter
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Old 12-04-2012, 12:50 PM   #43
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Well, what perplexes me is that the BRZ starts fine after it sits all night and I go to start it in the morning. Yesterday, however, it had a really rough start just trying to leave for lunch. I seriously thought it was going to give up on me, but I kept holding the start button and then it roared to life.

I could see if it happened all the time while it's cold... I should tell you that at home I park on VERY level ground, but at work I park at a slight incline, facing towards the building.

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And home:


Old pics, excuse the wettening.

I figure if I'm having any start up issues at all, it would behoove me to not transition to a heavier weight oil. I respected senior member on here heard how loud the engine is and said one of the oldest tricks for quieting an engine is to put heavier oil in it. The engine noise only bothers me when I have the hood up, though.

Thanks for all the input so far!
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Chano, make sure your battery cables are on tight.
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When has everyone been doing their first oil changes? at the recommended 3k? or sooner? what intervals are you guys planning on doing in the future? every 7.5k seems like a pretty long interval and i am tempted to shorten, thoughts?
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If the engine cranking speed is fine oil viscosity doesn't really come into play in regards to starting issues.

These engines sound broken with all the crazy mechanical clatter and direct injection stuff. LOL!

There is a service bulletin out on the extended crank. I'm surprise you didn't get a CEL from it as I did and the fix is a reflash from the dealer.

I never did it because I'm Hydra EMS powered now
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Chano, make sure your battery cables are on tight.
Good point. I had a Pathfinder that would randomly die after I went into reverse with the wheel turned to the right... I'll pull my car into the warehouse here at work and check it out. Thanks, CJ.

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When has everyone been doing their first oil changes? at the recommended 3k? or sooner? what intervals are you guys planning on doing in the future? every 7.5k seems like a pretty long interval and i am tempted to shorten, thoughts?
I did mine at about 1,700 miles. I was going to wait until 3k, but I impulsively set up an oil change appointment at my dealer since they were checking out other "issues" and even though I cancelled, they still did the oil change. I remember my 2011 WRX felt "better" after the first oil change, but it's been so cold here and I've been on heavier snow tires, so I wasn't able to tell a difference in performance.

Dang you Element Tuning and your Hydra beauty! *shakes fist*

Honestly my dealership is useless to me, despite my long track record with them. They're just minimal when it comes to warranty situations, most of the time (not all the time), so I only bring them my car when I have time to be inconvenienced or have a REAL issue (like when I need a Subaru computer to get stuff done). Otherwise most stuff can be researched and fixed myself, so it seems.
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I only bring them my car when I have time to be inconvenienced or have a REAL issue.
Isn't that the truth.

I bring my Tundra to the dealer as I just don't have time to deal with anything but customer cars. That thing holds 8 quarts of oil and you have to remove the skid plate to change the oil. My Toyota dealer charges $29 and it seems like every other one is free so I can't complain about that. If I paid my tech to do the oil change it would cost me way, way more

I really beat my car hard so I changed the oil at 1000 miles before I raced the Ultimate Track Car Challenge but that was my third race and all the dyno time and testing with the Hydra EMS. Still only 2600 miles on the car . The engine isn't that hard on the oil like the turbocharged cars are however as I don't see nearly as much contamination (combustion gas and carbon in the oil).
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Old 12-04-2012, 04:41 PM   #49
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I am currently running Pennzoil Ultra 5w-20 and I did my first oil change at ~3000 miles.
I didn't really notice any consumption when I did the initial change, and so far I haven't noticed any oil loss after ~3700 miles on the Pennzoil.
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chanomatic - At 0F and colder, I definitely would stick with a 0W-20. If you switch to a 0W-30, it may be the same thickness at 0F (or even thicker) since a 0W is measured at -35C. You would need to use a viscosity calculator to see actual thickness. The numbers on the bottle do not help.

Have you tried switching oil brands for a few intervals? Different oil chemistries may have less consumption than others. One thing to look for is an oil with a low NOACK volatility. It's hard to find that info though since lower NOACK usually means the oil is made from the best base stocks. Amsoil is one of the few companies that list it. Also use a higher HTHS oil and one with a high kinematic viscosity at 100C.

I have used a variety of thick and thin oils over the years, and nothing has made starts as easy as a stronger battery than stock and an oil made with ester base stocks and that contain molybdenum (Motul 300V and Red Line). Neither carry API certifications, but a quart or two of 0W-20 300V added to Motul 0W-20 8100 street oil would probably be a great combo. The 300V might help with consumption and starts will definitely be easier.

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