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Old 07-25-2012, 08:04 AM   #1
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It's hard to believe that Audi launched the R8 a full seven years ago. Since that time, the automaker has kept the two-seat sports car fresh with several changes including the addition of the roofless Spyder, an optional V10 and the sportier GT model, but now Audi has determined that it's finally time for the model's first full-on refresh. Today, Audi revealed the revamped 2013 R8 lineup, highlighted by subtle styling changes, a seven-speed S-tronic transmission (no more dreadful R-tronic!) and a new flagship V10 Plus model.

It takes a keen eye to pick out the design changes to the new R8, the most prominent being the redesigned LED headlights and taillights that come standard on all models. Audi has also revised the front bumper and grille, and out back, there's a larger diffuser and new circular tailpipes.

Perhaps the biggest change to the R8 for 2013 is the addition of the new seven-speed S-tronic transmission that utilizes two mult-plate clutches. Each clutch engages with two independent sub-transmissions and alternately select gears, resulting in smoother shifts that take mere hundredths of as second. Thankfully, a six-speed manual is still offered, although Audi claims that the car equipped with the S-tronic is actually faster to 60 miles per hour by three-tenths of a second in all models.

A new R8 V10 Plus arrives at the flagship model, featuring the same carbon fiber reinforced plastic used on the R8 GT. The front splitter, mirrors, side blades, rear diffuser and lining for the engine compartment are all constructed of the lightweight material. The 5.2-liter V10 has also been slightly improved compared to the standard V10 model, producing 550 horsepower and 398 pound-feet torque.

European models will start rolling off the line at the end of this year, and while Audi has not mentioned U.S. availability or pricing, we expect our version of the R8 to follow very shortly thereafter. Scroll down to watch a video of the 2013 Audi R8 in action or to read the complete details in the official press release.
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Old 07-25-2012, 08:05 AM   #2
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Old 07-25-2012, 08:44 AM   #3
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That cockpit makes me drool.

Interesting looking exhaust...
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...Thankfully, a six-speed manual is still offered, although Audi claims that the car equipped with the S-tronic is actually faster to 60 miles per hour by three-tenths of a second in all models.
Why do they feel the need to reiterate this. Everybody knows no human can shift faster than a dual wet clutch system. So naturally it will be slower compared to a DCT with launch control. But cars are not just about numbers, and stats, they are about feel, and emotion.

Phrases like the one above are just warning shots saying that they will very soon drop the manual. They will blame lack of sales. But the auto rags have been slowly encouraging the use of autos for a while now by promoting faster numbers and stats. Laymen and wanna be F1 drivers are all magazine racers at their core. They have made the transition from condemning auto's to accepting them, to encouraging them.

Now back to subject. This redesign of the Audi R8 makes Porsche designers looks positively radical. But why mess with perfection.
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Old 07-25-2012, 09:12 AM   #5
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This redesign of the Audi R8 makes Porsche designers looks positively radical. But why mess with perfection.
My first thoughts as well...
If I had just seen pictures of the exterior without any text/heading, I would never have thought this was a "new" version of the car.
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Old 07-25-2012, 11:35 AM   #6
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Perhaps Audi could put a "6-speed" emblem on the back of manual equipped cars like old Honda's "5-speed"
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Old 07-25-2012, 12:17 PM   #7
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Perhaps Audi could put a "6-speed" emblem on the back of manual equipped cars like old Honda's "5-speed"
IIRC Honda still gives you a red V6 badge if you get a 6spd.
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Old 07-25-2012, 12:22 PM   #8
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That car looks so messy everywhere. The interior reminds me of a dodge dart.
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Why do they feel the need to reiterate this. Everybody knows no human can shift faster than a dual wet clutch system. So naturally it will be slower compared to a DCT with launch control. But cars are not just about numbers, and stats, they are about feel, and emotion.

Phrases like the one above are just warning shots saying that they will very soon drop the manual. They will blame lack of sales. But the auto rags have been slowly encouraging the use of autos for a while now by promoting faster numbers and stats. Laymen and wanna be F1 drivers are all magazine racers at their core. They have made the transition from condemning auto's to accepting them, to encouraging them.

Now back to subject. This redesign of the Audi R8 makes Porsche designers looks positively radical. But why mess with perfection.
So no performance figures should be given? Those are the facts for the 2 drivetrains. I don't really get your point other than proving you're a manual shifting purist.

And yes, that exhaust looks, yeah. "Eye-catching" I guess is the term.
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Very subtle changes indeed for a "full-on refresh". They're there if you open up another tab and flip but yea, nothing major (which is fine for such a gorgeous car).
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Very subtle changes indeed for a "full-on refresh". They're there if you open up another tab and flip but yea, nothing major (which is fine for such a gorgeous car).
I must be crazy. I've seen a few of these and they do nothing for me. They just look too gaudy. I guess driving a 458 spoiled me for life. Nothing else will satisfy! (while daydreaming anyway)
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So no performance figures should be given? Those are the facts for the 2 drivetrains. I don't really get your point other than proving you're a manual shifting purist.

And yes, that exhaust looks, yeah. "Eye-catching" I guess is the term.
Figures for cars like this are irrelevant.
It is fast. Saying something like " both gearboxes produce sub 5 second 0-60 would be more than enough info". Nobody who buys one of these is racing it for a living.

A few tenths here or there is irrelevant
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Figures for cars like this are irrelevant.
It is fast. Saying something like " both gearboxes produce sub 5 second 0-60 would be more than enough info". Nobody who buys one of these is racing it for a living.

A few tenths here or there is irrelevant
i am pretty sure some are, and if not they are for the numbers. being able to state that I am teh fastar gives them enough confidence to emasculate the macho men who mock them for buying 2 pedals over 3.
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Figures for cars like this are irrelevant.
It is fast. Saying something like " both gearboxes produce sub 5 second 0-60 would be more than enough info". Nobody who buys one of these is racing it for a living.

A few tenths here or there is irrelevant
That's why they chase Ring times, right? I'm with you on the manuals, I really am. Every car I've ever owned has been a manual and I did not like the flappy paddle Evo I drove (GTR gets a pass for being a techniwonder ), but these cars are all about performance specs at the end of the day. Simply stating the 0-60 time for each drivetrain isn't the sacrilege you're making it out to be.
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No it is not right up until brainless morons start to claim one is superior simply because one is 0.02 seconds faster. Eliminating all other metrics of value.

Ring times to people with functional synapses do not matter either. It is just bragging rights to sell to people who care about such things. Often Ike's a slower car is far more fun to own and drive.

I only wish there was a measurable or metric Fun to drive
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No it is not right up until brainless morons start to claim one is superior simply because one is 0.02 seconds faster. Eliminating all other metrics of value.

Ring times to people with functional synapses do not matter either. It is just bragging rights to sell to people who care about such things. Often Ike's a slower car is far more fun to own and drive.

I only wish there was a measurable or metric Fun to drive
Eh that's what exotic and esoteric things are all about. Real world functionality need not apply. Worrying about ring times is definitely rich people problems. It's just funny when normal cars try to judge themselves off such an overall flawed metric.
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How many good reviews does a car need saying that it's fun to drive before people are convinced, though? Apparently never enough.

Plus then there are debates about usable power (track vs real world). Besides all that, "fun" is subjective. "Fast" is usually something we can agree upon (things going by quickly). "How fast" is relative since it depends on mechanics and location (how fast in a turn, how fast in a straight line, capable of going 0-60 in..., top speed is..., etc, etc).

What's funny to me is that everyone wants to be an individual, but so many people try to compare other cars by another car's standards. Why can't cars be allowed to have individual personalities the same as we desire to be unique from each other?

Would I choose an Audi R8 over some of my other favorite cars? No, but that doesn't mean I don't find it to be an impressive car. I don't need someone's lap times to convince me of that.
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Why do they feel the need to reiterate this. Everybody knows no human can shift faster than a dual wet clutch system. So naturally it will be slower compared to a DCT with launch control. But cars are not just about numbers, and stats, they are about feel, and emotion.

Phrases like the one above are just warning shots saying that they will very soon drop the manual. They will blame lack of sales. But the auto rags have been slowly encouraging the use of autos for a while now by promoting faster numbers and stats. Laymen and wanna be F1 drivers are all magazine racers at their core. They have made the transition from condemning auto's to accepting them, to encouraging them.

Now back to subject. This redesign of the Audi R8 makes Porsche designers looks positively radical. But why mess with perfection.
The retired old men / gold-digging women who drive these cars don't really want to be shifting gears. So it's not only for "stats" sake, it's because the target market of these cars don't care about feeling or emotion.

It's sad, but its true. Frankly, also, I see more women driving exotics than men these days. A car is easier to show off than a handbag.
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There are about 10 R8's in my car "club" - the only R-tronic car is a vert driven by a fat, balding dude.

While I wouldn't have an R8 for my "fun" car - I would have one for a DD, and it would be a dual-clutch coupe.
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I would agree with E. Nick.

As mid-engined 2-seaters go... this is probably the closest to a Grand Tourer. Great every-day car for one or two people with money.

For technical bragging rights or track time, I would probably go with a McLaren instead.

The face-lift isn't much visually... but it is a step forward albeit small, rather than backward.

The big things are the 450hp tune on the V8 and S-tronic DCT gearbox, now matching RS5 specifications.

And the "Plus" package, that is most of the lightening techniques that the R8 GT had, now as a production option package on the 5.2... although I think it would be great to see a 450hp 4.2 "Plus" option as well.

I have always loved the R8's clean, cohesive aesthetic, that isn't ostentatious just to catch people's eye. Some may prefer the Lamborghini Gallardo, and that is understandable, I would prefer an R8 if I had that money, though.
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I literally see zero changes looking at those pictures. When put next to a 2012 car, I see the lighting differences, but that's about it. It's more of a subtle change from 997.1 to 997.2.

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I have always loved the R8's clean, cohesive aesthetic, that isn't ostentatious just to catch people's eye. Some may prefer the Lamborghini Gallardo, and that is understandable, I would prefer an R8 if I had that money, though.

I agree, the R8 is so much more desirable, and the availability of a manual transmission takes the gold.
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