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Old 12-27-2012, 03:27 PM   #1
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Default OT, what tall wagon with AWD should I buy?

Lady Fury's Forester (MY2002, 146K miles) may be heading off into the sunset soon. It's well worn cosmetically including minor body damage and has been nickel and diming us pretty regularly the last two years. Now we are getting the clicking sound from the front passenger axle which could be CV joints or worse, another many hundreds of dollars in repairs. Ugh.

Would love to ditch this and start fresh for peace of mind.

What other options should I be considering in the $20-$25k range ?
Tall wagon body style
AWD nice but not a necessity
Can drive a manual but would prefer auto at this point
Doesnt need bells and whistles and certainly doesn't need teh turbo
No CVT nonsense

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The drivetrain noise comes and goes. I assume we will get raped on the trade-in anyway due to the rest of the car. Not the right time to have a protracted sale via Craigslist, nor worth the perceived hassle.

SOA is offering 0% financing for 63 months (!) on 2012 leftovers and 2013 "new" stock (the 2014s with the CVT option are coming mid year).

Always considered used until I started shopping... the used market is retarded. Obviously you never pay asking price but dealers are asking for thousands *over* buying new, plus an interest-bearing loan.
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Old 12-27-2012, 03:29 PM   #2
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Buy a base model 2014 without CVT. Should be well under $25,000. Looks like a really nice car.
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Old 12-27-2012, 03:30 PM   #3
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Base model Crosstrek 2.0i manual


but you don't prefer manual anymore, so yeah. I'd get the 2014's cvt over Subaru's ****ty 4 speed auto any day of the week.
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Old 12-27-2012, 03:31 PM   #4
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The CVT is a lot better than the 4AT supposedly and gets much better fuel economy. I would choose that if you want auto.
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Old 12-27-2012, 03:32 PM   #5
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Buy a base model 2014 without CVT. Should be well under $25,000. Looks like a really nice car.
Interesting. I've not seen pricing yet. Seems like only a $700 delta (in MSRP) between the 2012 and 2013s and of course the 12's are now close to two model years old, so that's probably a wash.

Oh yeah, the super duper interest rate is only in effect through 1/2/13
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Old 12-27-2012, 03:33 PM   #6
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No wonder it costs you so much money, a little clicking noise and you're ready to throw hundreds of dollars in repair money at it. Why not just keep driving it? The worst that could happen is that the wheel falls off nearly killing your wife and leaving her stranded miles from home without a cell phone because she forgot it that one time and then she gets eaten by a bear.
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Old 12-27-2012, 03:35 PM   #7
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Interesting. I've not seen pricing yet. Seems like only a $700 delta (in MSRP) between the 2012 and 2013s and of course the 12's are now close to two model years old, so that's probably a wash.

Oh yeah, the super duper interest rate is only in effect through 1/2/13
It will have a 6-speed manual, too. Nice. Not sure if there are price estimates, but $22k is a reasonable guess for the 2.5i.
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Old 12-27-2012, 03:36 PM   #8
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We drove a bunch of Crossovers/Wagons/Whatever recently. In my opinion the Subaru's were completely outmatched.

Hyundai Sante Fe Sport
Mazda CX5
Jetta SportWagon TDi
Ford Escape

I would say were all nicer. The Subaru lags badly in technology, performance, and interior noise. Given, they are mostly above your price range, but I was very blah on the Outback interior noise and engine/MPG. There have to be better options out there.
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Old 12-27-2012, 03:38 PM   #9
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Old 12-27-2012, 03:39 PM   #10
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We drove a bunch of Crossovers/Wagons/Whatever recently. In my opinion the Subaru's were completely outmatched.

Hyundai Sante Fe Sport
Mazda CX5
Jetta SportWagon TDi
Ford Escape

I would say were all nicer. The Subaru lags badly in technology, performance, and interior noise. Given, they are mostly above your price range, but I was very blah on the Outback interior noise and engine/MPG. There have to be better options out there.
No AWD in the Jetta, right? I thought it was quite a bit smaller than the Outback too?

I like the '13+ Outback because they got the newer FB25 motor, which should be much easier to maintain in the long haul.
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Old 12-27-2012, 03:40 PM   #11
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This is a bit over your budget but my friend just bought a nearly fully loaded 2012 Mazda CX-9 GT for ~$29k. Xenon, leather, backup camera, but no nav. This thing had a sticker of something like $38k. I guess nobody bought them and now heavily discounted to move them out.

I am sure you can locate a lower tier Sport version for less than $25k. They handle quite nice for their size. Fuel economy is likely poor.
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Old 12-27-2012, 03:41 PM   #12
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I can't look it up right now, but the Jetta may be a little bit smaller. I actually thought the Jetta felt crappy inside (materials) but at least it didn't sound like a motorcycle when you touched the gas. I like some engine noise but I thought the Outback was waaay loud.

AWD means nothing to me, snow tires make that moot.
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Old 12-27-2012, 03:42 PM   #13
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This is a bit over your budget but my friend just bought a nearly fully loaded 2012 Mazda CX-9 GT for ~$29k. Xenon, leather, backup camera, but no nav. This thing had a sticker of something like $38k. They are practically giving these things away.

I am sure you can locate a lower tier Sport version for less than $25k. They handle quite nice for their size. Fuel economy is likely poor.
They're nice but boat-like compared to a Forester. And yes they get despicable mileage. CX-5 is the way to go for a Mazda.
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Old 12-27-2012, 03:43 PM   #14
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another many hundreds of dollars in repairs. Ugh.
Our 2002 Tahoe with 220k miles on it is nickle and diming us, recently with rotted brake lines in the rear, meaning foot to the flooe "Oh **** no brakes!" No leaking in the driveway to warn, just blew out. $178 for new rear lines.

In the past year we've probably thown around $1.5k at the truck, differential leaking, CV joints, etc... axles.

I've always said then when you own a car that's paid off, keep it until repairs cost almost the same or more than a new car payment each month, for about 6 months... or it just won't go anywhere anymore.

$1.5k/12=$125/month

STILL cheaper than a new car payment.

Once you fix the CV joints on the Subaru (a couple-few hundred done by dealer)... the car won't need new CV joints. What else will break? I say keep it unless that monthly payment is just burning a hole in your wallet. Subarus do really need minimal maintenance/repairs other than your common rotating parts.

I understand the inconvenience of not having something in the shop tho.

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I've heard good things about the Nissan Juke (notwithstanding it has CVT and is ugly as sin).
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Old 12-27-2012, 03:44 PM   #16
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We liked the Rogue as well, but the mileage/price/interior room combo didn't do it for us.

Edit- Ended up with a TSX SportWagon, 2012 with Tech Package. We sacrificed some MPG and some room for driving and interior feels.
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Old 12-27-2012, 03:46 PM   #17
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What KC said.... unless said vehicle is making you late for/miss work/life events. That's where I draw the line.
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We liked the Rogue as well, but the mileage/price/interior room combo didn't do it for us.

Edit- Ended up with a TSX SportWagon, 2012 with Tech Package. We sacrificed some MPG and some room for driving and interior feels.
Wife has a Rogue. Despite its rubber-band cvt, it's not a bad car. Comfy as hell for road trips, good brakes, a bit of zip, not a bad basic crossover.
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Edit- Ended up with a TSX SportWagon, 2012 with Tech Package. We sacrificed some MPG and some room for driving and interior feels.
Love the TSX Wagon. Its only strike is no MT. Oh well.
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I'm scared by VW products based off family experience and what I read on the interwebs.

The new Escape looks nice, a neighbor has one, shame about the recalls though. Would wait a year or so till they get that sorted out.

Should consider the Mazda and Hyundai... the only reason the Forester is a consideration is because it's an easy choice, it's cheap, and we are used to its quirks.
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Love the TSX Wagon. Its only strike is no MT. Oh well.
Wifey only wants auto, so moot point. We love it so far, really nice car.


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I'm scared by VW products based off family experience and what I read on the interwebs.

The new Escape looks nice, a neighbor has one, shame about the recalls though. Would wait a year or so till they get that sorted out.

Should consider the Mazda and Hyundai... the only reason the Forester is a consideration is because it's an easy choice, it's cheap, and we are used to its quirks.
Agreed on all points.

Other than cheesy new plastics in the Jetta, my prior experience screamed no when we started talking serious bidness on the Jetta.

Escape got scared off by recalls and Consumer Reports, but it was a very nice drive.

Mazda- We didn't love the obviously lightweight plastic of the interior nor the seats. The motor also left something to be desired IMO, many of what we drove returns similar MPG's with much more excitement. Handled really well though.

Hyundai- The biggest deal breaker on the new Sante Fe Sport for us was the blind spot, it's awful. The 2.0T was very quick. It's also very pricey when decked out ($34k). It pretty much came in second place for us, if the Acura dealer wasn't wheeling and dealing to get the 2012's off the lot it would have been a harder decision.
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Wifey only wants auto, so moot point. We love it so far, really nice car.

Can I ask how much did you pay before TTL?
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Our 2002 Tahoe with 220k miles on it is nickle and diming us, recently with rotted brake lines in the rear, meaning foot to the flooe "Oh **** no brakes!" No leaking in the driveway to warn, just blew out. $178 for new rear lines.

In the past year we've probably thown around $1.5k at the truck, differential leaking, CV joints, etc... axles.

I've always said then when you own a car that's paid off, keep it until repairs cost almost the same or more than a new car payment each month, for about 6 months... or it just won't go anywhere anymore.

$1.5k/12=$125/month

STILL cheaper than a new car payment.

Once you fix the CV joints on the Subaru (a couple-few hundred done by dealer)... the car won't need new CV joints. What else will break? I say keep it unless that monthly payment is just burning a hole in your wallet. Subarus do really need minimal maintenance/repairs other than your common rotating parts.

I understand the inconvenience of not having something in the shop tho.

--kC
I was going to say that same thing. I have 156k on my 2.5RS and just replaced a rear wheel bearing and the heater core and AC earlier this year. As much as I want to get a new car, I realize the car is mechanically sound and drives great. A few hundred to replace something is nothing compared to having a new car payment for the next 5-ish years. It's a no-brainer logically, but the emotional part of your brain wants to avoid hassle and "nickel and dime" repairs, which actually are nickels and dimes compared to a new car payment.

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Love the TSX Wagon. Its only strike is no MT. Oh well.
I didn't even know it existed until I clicked on "Luxury Wagons" on some site earlier when researching the CTS wagon.

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Can I ask how much did you pay before TTL?
I'd have to look to get it right, but right near $32.5k for the tech package version with a few options. Just below invoice IIRC.

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