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Old 10-07-2012, 12:40 PM   #51
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Those C5 guys win them so often, they don't know what cords are
I will concede on that point.

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nt-01's not on tirerack? hmm, k... must actually do some foot work.
Nope. Ive ordered mine in the past from Discount Tire (through their eBay store, which is sometimes cheaper than their online store and/or has rebates) and through onlinetires.com. They are generally within a few bucks of each other in my experience.

FWIW, Tire Rack has just started carrying Toyos, but for my money, its better spent at Phils Tire Service.
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Old 10-07-2012, 02:52 PM   #52
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I've always had good service with Tire Rack. Phil, not so much.
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Old 10-07-2012, 07:16 PM   #53
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anyone have an opinions of the hankookz214's?
I'm running the C71 compound for auto-x duty on my Subaru this year, and I've been running the C51 compound for track duty on my CTS-V the past couple years. I originally tried them kind of by chance - ordered the NT01s from DTD, but they called and said they were out of stock, so they'd give me the Z214s for the NT01 price (which at the time was something like $25 cheaper, so that was nice).

I've been very happy with them. I've run them at VIR with temps in the 40s and with temps in the 90s. I didn't do a very good job of keeping track of how many days I got out of them - I think I did 6 days (3 HPDE events) on them? And now that I think back, I had to retire 2 of the tires early due to outer shoulder wear - the other 2 tires I kept and still have. Keep in mind this is on a ~4000# car running the same 275/35-18s that people are talking about running on their little WRXs/STIs.
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Old 10-07-2012, 08:23 PM   #54
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Hello everyone. I am still in the HPDE group 2instructed ranks. I have been driving on my OEM SP600's and they are finally gone. I had planned on going wider when I replace them. I was hoping for some good advice. I wanted to go wider, I was driving on the 245's and had planned on going ahead with 265's since I was starting from scratch on this wheel. I had planned on using Starspecs or RS-3's figuring they would be a great upgrade from the OEM tire. Then after seeing a few threads about tire comparisons I've read that the Starspec z1 aren't the king of DOT tires anymore. My expectations is a season of wear out of the tires (5 HDPE's for me) I know I don't need R6's but I had an instructor (BMW driver) that had mentioned that if my expectations were linear with the life span of such tires and more traction the merrier. I thought I should seek the advice of Subaru drivers before I make the investment.
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Old 10-07-2012, 10:28 PM   #55
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Old 03-11-2013, 11:00 AM   #56
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So, the Maxxis RC-1 Victra appears to finally be released. At least it now shows up as a "Product" on the Maxxis website. Trying to find out pricing and where to actually get them.

http://www.maxxis.com/AutomobileLigh...-1-Victra.aspx
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Old 03-12-2013, 11:50 AM   #57
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i run star specs and am very happy with them. i've had multiple people come up to me and ask what tires i was running and they were surprised when i told them they weren't r-comps. sure there are better tires but price-wise i think they are pretty great.
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Old 03-12-2013, 12:35 PM   #58
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Recently I have been running NT-01 - not bad - better than the R888, not as good as the RA-1 (wet & longevity) - which sadly do not come in as many sizes as they used to.

The R888 do not like high slip angles ( driving style) and as folks noted fall of rather abruptly

The BFG's are good all around except when the track is wet (perhaps even damp)

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Old 03-12-2013, 01:49 PM   #59
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Looks like the Maxxis tires won't be out until May.

From Maxxis:

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The RC-1 is scheduled to be released in May on our Maxxis E-store. We uploaded the specs a little early so people can start learning more about the tire.
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Old 03-12-2013, 03:53 PM   #60
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I ordered a set of the Hankook TD's for this year. Hoping to get out on them by June.
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Old 03-22-2013, 11:58 AM   #61
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Much earlier in this thread someone mentioned running the NT-01 in the wet? But they are listed as a dry tire?

From Nitto web page:

"The NT01 is a D.O.T.-compliant dry competition radial designed with the weekend road racer in mind"

I ran at The Ridge with my R1R and they were fine considering it was wet to almost dry the whole day. Will be running them again at Portland International tomorrow which is a basically a track with no elevation change.

I will be looking for a new set for the fall but I can't run a dry only tire here in the PNW for spring and fall track days.



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Recently I have been running NT-01 - not bad - better than the R888, not as good as the RA-1 (wet & longevity) - which sadly do not come in as many sizes as they used to.

The R888 do not like high slip angles ( driving style) and as folks noted fall of rather abruptly

The BFG's are good all around except when the track is wet (perhaps even damp)

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Old 03-22-2013, 01:11 PM   #62
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I love the NT01 for durability, grip, and price. They are only, approximately, 1 second a lap slower than my Hoosier R6s. The R888s are underwhelming and I've never used the RA1s although they are supposed to very much like the NT01. This is only my experience.
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The NT-01s are OK when the track is damp, but if the track is really wet, they are junk IMO. Full tread RA-1's are spectacular in the wet, but I realize that keeping an extra set of full tread RA-1s on hand just for the wet isn't always possible.
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Old 03-22-2013, 06:46 PM   #64
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The NT-01s are OK when the track is damp, but if the track is really wet, they are junk IMO. Full tread RA-1's are spectacular in the wet, but I realize that keeping an extra set of full tread RA-1s on hand just for the wet isn't always possible.
Agree. The ideal is three sets: street, wet, dry. I would love to at some point run a fully dry tire on a dry track and see what that is like. I have had many dry tracks but always I have been running a tire that can handle wet, the the R1R.

Does anyone know if the RA-1s really starts to suffer in the wet once worn? They are only about $20/tire than the R1R.
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Old 03-22-2013, 08:42 PM   #65
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Last season I Ran dry/streets(Don't street my car very often) and wets. Granted my wets were Michelin Supersports but they really fit the bill running at Road America in the pouring rain. For the dry I used some Starspecs that I felt did alright for me. This year I'm going with the street/dry/wet. Z2/Ventus TD/Supersports.
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I've never run something like Hoosier Wets or full tread RA-1s in the wet, so I probably just don't understand what I'm missing. But I ran NT01s in the wet at Summit Point (on my CTS-V) and thought they did just fine. Hard to really say how grip was in the corners, though, because the track surface (sealed asphalt patches in the corners) was slicker than snot once it got wet. If I drove a really weird line, staying on the older asphalt, I found quite a bit of grip.

On the Subaru I've run both street tires and "dry only" R-comps in wet conditions and had no issues whatsoever. Most recently was Hankook Z214s in the rain at VIR last fall. Based on lap times from my Chase Cam setup, I was running about 13-15sec/lap slower in the wet - from running high 2:20s to running ~2:40 - and I really wasn't pushing that hard. Meanwhile, the majority of the RWD folks probably dropped 2 to 3 times that much, if not more - guys that would've been running 2:05-2:10 in the dry were lapping in the 3:00+ range once it got wet.

So I guess my take is that, for me at least, the AWD makes it pretty difficult to upset the car in the wet. I don't have any problems running "dry only" R-comps in wet conditions. If it were really wet, like standing water all over the place, then obviously I would have to take it slower. I spent 2 years doing track events out there in the PacNW (Pacific Raceways, PIR, ORP; the Ridge wasn't there yet) and I never encountered heavy rain that would've led to those sorts of conditions.
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I ran a couple sessions on full Hoosier wets in my buddies Evo last year in the wet and they were quite remarkable. Idk if they're $1200 remarkable but they're quite amazing to the grip. If I get a full wet session I just tell myself there is no point pushing my car onto the trailer in pieces and back it off a bit to your "lap time differential" so to say. I was around 2:42 at Road America last year in the dry on street tires and low 3:00's in the wet on supersports. Ill take it.
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For the racers, the Hoosier Wets or full tread RA-1s are the way to go. For those of us just out there to have fun, I don't see any problem driving in the wet on "dry" tires - drive within the tires' limits and you'll be fine.
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Running Z214s in the wet is bold. And I'm talking wet, not damp. I think if you had the opportunity to run full tread RA-1s in really wet conditions, you'd be amazed. Or maybe I just suck at driving in the wet.
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For the racers, the Hoosier Wets or full tread RA-1s are the way to go. For those of us just out there to have fun, I don't see any problem driving in the wet on "dry" tires - drive within the tires' limits and you'll be fine.
So crawling? If you need Hoosier wets or ra-1's then a full slick would be insane. Atleast to me haha. you sir haz big balls.
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My point is that in really wet conditions, a racer, who is trying to put down competitive lap times, is going to be prepared with Hoosier Wets or RA-1s. An HPDE'r, on the other hand, isn't worried about lap times so can either run a slower pace on their R-comps or just put their street tires on if they're not comfortable with the conditions. In very wet conditions I would do the latter, but I've yet to encounter that during an event. I've run on R-comps when it was wet enough that I had to limit my speed on the straights to 85mph or so. In my slow-ass car that's not much of a handicap, though.
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My point is that in really wet conditions, a racer, who is trying to put down competitive lap times, is going to be prepared with Hoosier Wets or RA-1s. An HPDE'r, on the other hand, isn't worried about lap times so can either run a slower pace on their R-comps or just put their street tires on if they're not comfortable with the conditions. In very wet conditions I would do the latter, but I've yet to encounter that during an event. I've run on R-comps when it was wet enough that I had to limit my speed on the straights to 85mph or so. In my slow-ass car that's not much of a handicap, though.
Good distinctions. I just finished a HPDE tack day on the R1Rs. This is track day #2, first one damp technical course, second dry, flat, fast course. The ties seemed to do just fine. For sure I could feel then greasing a bit towards the end of a session, but better than the other tires I have run.

the RA-1s are looking good.
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Good distinctions. I just finished a HPDE tack day on the R1Rs. This is track day #2, first one damp technical course, second dry, flat, fast course. The ties seemed to do just fine. For sure I could feel then greasing a bit towards the end of a session, but better than the other tires I have run.

the RA-1s are looking good.
I have my first r1r track day in a few weeks. Looking forward to it
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Running Z214s in the wet is bold. And I'm talking wet, not damp. I think if you had the opportunity to run full tread RA-1s in really wet conditions, you'd be amazed. Or maybe I just suck at driving in the wet.
I was less than amazed with them today, however, that could be due to the fact that it was 34*. I will reserve my final judgement until later.
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I think R888/NT-01 is much better and useful so i have R888/NT-01 track tires.
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