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Old 09-02-2002, 02:09 PM   #1
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arrgh... I am still running my p2 400/128mb from 1999. I'm reading thru anandtech.com right now and I see all kinds of new stuff out, everything from DDR ABC 123 RAMBUS 129389120ghz ram to.... a bunch of stuff. I'm even willing to go dual processor.

But I want the system to excel in:
intense graphic applications (huge PSD files)
gaming
and uhh..

I think that's all Maybe I'll throw CAD on there too.

What would be a good setup?

I got about 1000 bucks to blow, since I already have the HD and monitor and LAN card... I also have a nice sound card too.
Any suggestions?
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Old 09-02-2002, 02:18 PM   #2
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Hey I recommend you go to http://www.sharkeyextreme.com/ and click in GUIDES. They have guides for high end gaming machines and budget gaming machines. What I like about them is they give a price breakdown and show the diff. options (Intel or AMD) etc. A high performance vid card might set you back quite a bit of money. Good thing u already have a monitor.
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Old 09-02-2002, 06:05 PM   #3
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coolance case..sure that's a good chunk of the budget..but a watercooled case? thats just the bomb diggity yo
seriously though, they rule!
if you want more serious suggestions i have nothing to offer, the system i'm sourcing parts for..is..well..needless to say quite a few paychecks worth. dang these computers and their addictions. like crack..but worse
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Old 09-02-2002, 06:10 PM   #4
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I really like these machines... http://www.falcon-nw.com/. I have only heard good things about them. I think they are a bit pricey, but you can use the web site for reference.

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Old 09-02-2002, 06:28 PM   #5
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http://www.nvidia.com/view.asp?PAGE=geforce4

video card

http://www.nvidia.com/view.asp?PAGE=quadro4

if you want to do high end grafx only, and have an ass load of money to burn.

mother boards I don't know much about. I wouldn't go dual processors unless you really want to do heavy grafx. heavy rending and stuff.
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Old 09-02-2002, 07:07 PM   #6
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Athlon XP 2000 - $100
Motherboard Epox EP-8K5A2+ -$105
WD 80GB 7200RPM 8mb cache drive - $107
400W - 450W Power Supply - $80 (Antec, TurboCool, Enermax)
Case - $25 -100 depending on what you want
512mb Mushkin PC2700 DDR RAM - $159
YAMAHA CD-RW 44x24x44 - $150
GeForce 4 TI4400 - $200 or GeForce 4 TI4600 - $250 or ATI Radeon 9700 Pro - $350

------------------Total----------------
$950
With tax and shipping, you are right around $1000
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Old 09-02-2002, 07:10 PM   #7
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www.tomshardware.com and www.mwave.com are great sites to put something together
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Old 09-02-2002, 07:17 PM   #8
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You are pretty much screwed if you want your PC to excel in graphics and gaming. To get fast PSD graphics you need a fast memory subsystems (raid is ideal) and dual processors. The processors wouldn't even have to be the latest and fastest. You could "skimp" on the video card by getting a GF3 or lower end GF4. But games require top of the line video cards and processors. So you basically have to buy top of the line everything.

I would actually wait a couple of months till Intel releases P4s with hyper-threading... then you only have to buy one processor but you get some benefits of 2. Also pick up a motherboard with built-in RAID (and networking if you can find one), 512mb - 1G of RAM, GF4 (one of the <$250 models), 32x12x40 CD-RWs are around $40 after rebates, cheapo 16x DVD, and a SB Audigy. Then toss your favorite OS on there as long as it's w2k or XP.
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Old 09-02-2002, 07:30 PM   #9
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I've found a good source for info on building your own is PCMechanic.
http://pcmech.com/
It has a good tutorial for building your own (left side of page) and a great forum for questions. I used it last fall when building mine.
If your HD is newer (7,200RPM) and already have a monitor, you can put together a great computer for $1,000. Put more of the money into RAM and Video Card vs the processor.
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Old 09-02-2002, 07:57 PM   #10
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See my post above... if you have only $1000 to spend that is what you want... You can not get the CD-RW and get an extra HD and do RAID or buy more RAM.
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Old 09-02-2002, 07:58 PM   #11
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IMHO, I think Raj's list is pretty complete.
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Old 09-02-2002, 08:36 PM   #12
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The only thing i would change on raj100's list is that CDRW. Go withi a 48x from Lite On. Will save you about $70 bucks on that which could go towards something else.
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Old 09-02-2002, 08:38 PM   #13
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Old 09-02-2002, 09:24 PM   #14
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Quote:
Originally posted by raj100
Athlon XP 2000 - $100
Motherboard Epox EP-8K5A2+ -$105
WD 80GB 7200RPM 8mb cache drive - $107
400W - 450W Power Supply - $80 (Antec, TurboCool, Enermax)
Case - $25 -100 depending on what you want
512mb Mushkin PC2700 DDR RAM - $159
YAMAHA CD-RW 44x24x44 - $150
GeForce 4 TI4400 - $200 or GeForce 4 TI4600 - $250 or ATI Radeon 9700 Pro - $350

------------------Total----------------
$950
With tax and shipping, you are right around $1000
Ok.. will that be good for graphics?

I don't need the HD or the CDRW so there's 255 extra dollars... what else would be good?
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Old 09-02-2002, 09:35 PM   #15
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www.pricewatch.com to find prices on parts. never had any complaints...

(doesn't answer your question, but helpful)

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Old 09-02-2002, 10:59 PM   #16
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Yea that would be good for graphics... With the extra $255 get the ATI Radeon 9700 card. It has the best 3D and 2D is better than the GeForce. The athlons can be overclocked to 2400Mhz too, so that will help out too. That motherboard is one of the best for overclocking and it will accept the new 166 FSB Athlons, so you can upgrade in the future. The only other upgrade that I would go for is either 1GB of ram or get the 2-2-2 CAS RAM (Mushkin or Corsair about $250for 512MB) Which can overclock higher than others.
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Old 09-02-2002, 11:27 PM   #17
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I've had good luck with my Corsair XMS PC3000 Cas2. Right now its at 191fsb but I can't take it higher without unlocking my XP. I would check out the PC3200 Cas2. Probably would be a good choice for ram.
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Old 09-06-2002, 01:12 PM   #18
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Ok I saw something from Bestbuy in the paper today


AMD Athlon XP 2100+ w/ quantispeed arch.
Soyo SY-KT333 Dragon Lite w/ VIA KT333
1 agp, 5 pc slots
3 dimm slots supports up to PC2700 DDR
UDMA 133 support
built in sound

all for 189.99.... sound good?
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Old 09-07-2002, 01:00 PM   #19
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bump... good deal or no?
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Old 09-07-2002, 01:21 PM   #20
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That sounds like a pretty good deal to me. I'm not a big fan of AMD or especially VIA chipsets, but for what you'll end up with, $190 is pretty nice.
Just make sure that price is right. According to Best Buy's website, that processor alone is selling for $180. Something doesn't seem right, but it'll be worth looking into if it's for real.

Motherboard website: http://www.soyousa.com/products/proddesc.php?id=58

Good memory: http://www.crucial.com/store/listpar...Lite&submit=Go
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Old 09-07-2002, 01:22 PM   #21
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That sounds like a pretty good deal to me. I'm not a big fan of AMD or especially VIA chipsets, but for what you'll end up with, $190 is pretty nice.
Just make sure that price is right. According to Best Buy's website, that processor alone is selling for $180. Something doesn't seem right, but it'll be worth looking into if it's for real.

Motherboard website: http://www.soyousa.com/products/proddesc.php?id=58

Good memory: http://www.crucial.com/store/listpar...Lite&submit=Go
Cool thanks... what's the downside w/ VIA chipsets? I thought the XP's had some good FPU performance... but does the P4 beat them out in raw FPU performance still?
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Old 09-07-2002, 01:44 PM   #22
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I had trouble with a VIA-based Asus motherboard last year. Some compatibility issues and resource conflicts that were a pain in the ass to straighten out.
AMD processors are great- nobody in their right mind would deny that, especially considering their low cost, but they do have two major drawbacks- 1) they run REALLY hot (my 1.33ghz T-Bird ran at over 160F!), and 2) AMD relies on companies like VIA, ALi, and SiS to make chipsets for their processors, and not one of them seems to be able to produce a high-end, feature-rich, flake-free chipset for the otherwise excellent AMD processor. Some are very good, but there always seems to be at least one annoying issue that has to be ironed out before your system is as stable as most Intel-based systems are right out of the box.
I buy Intel stuff now, and pay a lot for it. But with that high price comes almost guaranteed Microsoft compatibility and high stability. I'm getting old, so I have less patience for tinkering with stuff in order to make it work like it's supposed to.
AMD-based stuff is great for guys who like to overclock and tinker, and boards usually support a lot of FSB and voltage tweaking. And since it's so cheap, who cares if you blow it up?

For your last question, comparing Intel P4's with Athlon XP's is like comparing oranges to tangerines. The whole point of AMD's performance rating is to compare it to a P4 of equal speed. They generally come out pretty even, but they each do certain things better than the other. If all else was equal (which is impossible to test), the user sitting in front of it would never notice the difference.

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