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Old 08-03-2012, 07:47 PM   #1
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Hey all - wasnt really sure what to call this thread but basically this is what I was curious about. I have the '12 WRX, completely stock, and about just over 2000 miles. Im strongly considering the AP Stage 1 OTS Map. I was wondering for those who have it, if they can list maybe the top 3 things they noticed about it, good or bad. Things like, my avg mpg went up/down, increased power top/bottom end/both ect. Curious what every ones experiences were.

As a side question, before I were to flash the OTS map, would the AP still work to run data logs/diags? Curious to see what its doing stock before flashing.
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Old 08-03-2012, 10:11 PM   #2
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I think you can marry the AP to the ECU and run logs before flashing stage 1 if im not mistaken. You have to install the AP first before you flash so I think after the install you can log.

There are many ways to tune these cars but this really is the best plug and play device to do it. It is soo stupid easy to use you really take any thinking out of using it. I noticed a big difference in acceleration, and it smoothed out the power band tremendously. CN: Best 500 bucks I spent on the car. I get around 22MPG city driving.
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Old 08-03-2012, 11:45 PM   #3
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One thing I hate about the ap is the fact you buy this thing and can't use it to data log or even use the live data unless you marry it to your car. It would have been nice to see how the car ran before I flashed it or be able to use the ap if I decided to go back to stock.

If I went back to stock and stayed that way it would basically be a paper weight for me.

It is however a great tool to have while you decide to stay modded. Just has its downfalls and I wish some things could be changed about it imho.
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Old 08-04-2012, 08:58 AM   #4
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Hey all - wasnt really sure what to call this thread but basically this is what I was curious about. I have the '12 WRX, completely stock, and about just over 2000 miles. Im strongly considering the AP Stage 1 OTS Map. I was wondering for those who have it, if they can list maybe the top 3 things they noticed about it, good or bad. Things like, my avg mpg went up/down, increased power top/bottom end/both ect. Curious what every ones experiences were.

As a side question, before I were to flash the OTS map, would the AP still work to run data logs/diags? Curious to see what its doing stock before flashing.
Hi there. The AccessPORT has to be installed to data log, however, it is possible to data log the stock tune with the AccessPORT installed. In our maps section at cobbtuning.com, in addition to all the performance maps for each vehicle, we also offer a map called the "installed stock mode" map. You simply download that, use the AccessPORT Manager software to transfer it from your computer to the AccessPORT, and then either install the AccessPORT then (selecting the installed stock mode map) or if you've already installed the AccessPORT, then use the "Tune" - "Change Maps" function to reflash the installed stock mode map. Once that is done, you will running a 100% completely stock tune and can data log it as much as you want. And you simply reflash back to one of the performance maps when you're done.

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Old 08-04-2012, 09:33 PM   #5
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I just installed the Stage 1 map on my stock '12 WRX about 3 days ago. There is a noticable difference in the way the car runs. I am very satisfied with the purchase!! Also you can DL other maps to it from different tuners. Really havn't paid any attention to my MPG, than agian I've only put about 80 miles on since the tune.
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Old 08-05-2012, 12:50 PM   #6
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If you are looking into different tunes, I recommend Torque Performance. Their maps are just as smooth as the COBB Ots maps, but have a little more power.
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Old 08-06-2012, 03:30 PM   #7
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I am also considering the AP stage 1 for my '12 STI hatch (has SPT CBE from factory, otherwise stock) but one concern I had was in speaking with a COBB rep, they did mention that for the first time wiht the '12 model year, it is now possible for a dealership to see if a car has been re-flashed with the accessport even if you put it back in stock mode etc before the service appt. Assuming the dealership won't try top pin any failures on you even if not related to using the access port, is there anyone here who can comment on whether this is true or not? Cobb rep?

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Old 08-07-2012, 10:02 AM   #8
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I am also considering the AP stage 1 for my '12 STI hatch (has SPT CBE from factory, otherwise stock) but one concern I had was in speaking with a COBB rep, they did mention that for the first time wiht the '12 model year, it is now possible for a dealership to see if a car has been re-flashed with the accessport even if you put it back in stock mode etc before the service appt. Assuming the dealership won't try top pin any failures on you even if not related to using the access port, is there anyone here who can comment on whether this is true or not? Cobb rep?

thx
What Cobb rep were you talking to? I've not heard anything along those lines. It is impossible for us to make any guarantee that the dealership doesn't have this capability or won't in the future, but we have not yet heard of any credible claims of warranties being denied with a Cobb reflash after the version 2 AccessPORT has been uninstalled. Although uninstalling the version 2 AccessPORT returns the ECU's ROM to its original state (same as pre-install), this is not meant to be any kind of guarantee as far as whether or not the dealership has the ability to detect that a reflash has been made after the AccessPORT has been uninstalled. As such, if this is a major concern for you, I would not modify your car at all during the warranty period. That includes any ECU tuning (ours or other solutions) and any hard parts (exhaust, intakes, BOVs, etc.). Even suspension components can be sometimes be used to dealership to deny certain claims. That said, on the list of modifications that would most likely cause a denied claim, an AccessPORT reflash that has been uninstalled, is at the bottom. That is, if you want to do a modification with the least amount of risk in that area (but still a risk), an ECU tune by itself (with the ability to return the ROM exactly back to its original as is the case with the v2 AccessPORT) would be your best bet.

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Old 08-07-2012, 11:22 AM   #9
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What Cobb rep were you talking to? I've not heard anything along those lines. It is impossible for us to make any guarantee that the dealership doesn't have this capability or won't in the future, but we have not yet heard of any credible claims of warranties being denied with a Cobb reflash after the version 2 AccessPORT has been uninstalled. Although uninstalling the version 2 AccessPORT returns the ECU's ROM to its original state (same as pre-install), this is not meant to be any kind of guarantee as far as whether or not the dealership has the ability to detect that a reflash has been made after the AccessPORT has been uninstalled. As such, if this is a major concern for you, I would not modify your car at all during the warranty period. That includes any ECU tuning (ours or other solutions) and any hard parts (exhaust, intakes, BOVs, etc.). Even suspension components can be sometimes be used to dealership to deny certain claims. That said, on the list of modifications that would most likely cause a denied claim, an AccessPORT reflash that has been uninstalled, is at the bottom. That is, if you want to do a modification with the least amount of risk in that area (but still a risk), an ECU tune by itself (with the ability to return the ROM exactly back to its original as is the case with the v2 AccessPORT) would be your best bet.

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This does make me feel a little better hearing this right from a Cobb rep. Theres so much speculation with the internet, my friends friend works at a dealer and they can detect it, and my cousins uncle works there and says they cant. But of course the bottom line is you dont know. Im sure a stage 1 and even a stage 2 driven within reason with proper gas & maintenance will last just as long as a stock motor.

My next question, for a Cobb rep is will the car still pass inspection? I know the maps richen up the car a bit, so Im not sure how this will effect emissions. I spent years getting my weekend hot rod to pass until it was 25 years old and didnt need the emission test, I dont want to do this with a new car. Does this effect emissions readings, or at least to the point it wont pass?
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Old 08-08-2012, 09:27 AM   #10
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This does make me feel a little better hearing this right from a Cobb rep. Theres so much speculation with the internet, my friends friend works at a dealer and they can detect it, and my cousins uncle works there and says they cant. But of course the bottom line is you dont know. Im sure a stage 1 and even a stage 2 driven within reason with proper gas & maintenance will last just as long as a stock motor.

My next question, for a Cobb rep is will the car still pass inspection? I know the maps richen up the car a bit, so Im not sure how this will effect emissions. I spent years getting my weekend hot rod to pass until it was 25 years old and didnt need the emission test, I dont want to do this with a new car. Does this effect emissions readings, or at least to the point it wont pass?
You should have no problem with emissions testing on the stage 1 mapping, assuming that the car is stock and no emissions equipment has been messed with.

A stage 2 car with a catted downpipe shouldn't generally have a problem either, also as long as all the emissions equipment is in place (especially the rear o2 sensor). No guarantees (especially at stage 2), but you should be fine generally, depending on the car, the quality of the cat in the downpipe, and the test that is being performed.

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Old 10-08-2012, 11:16 PM   #11
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