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Old 09-09-2012, 02:52 AM   #101
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Poor sti? lol

I think more people should strip their cars in the name of speed rather than this "low & slow" stance crap that I see in every magazine now

Its gonna be insane when it is completed!
It is also going to suck to drive on the street. Much like the "low & slow" stance crap that you see in every magazine now.

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Old 09-09-2012, 03:52 PM   #102
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It is also going to suck to drive on the street. Much like the "low & slow" stance crap that you see in every magazine now.

How is it going to suck?
I already know what to expect and plus, it is not a daily driver anymore so I do not care about comforts...
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Old 09-09-2012, 04:05 PM   #103
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How is it going to suck?
I already know what to expect and plus, it is not a daily driver anymore so I do not care about comforts...
I'm just saying if you are making a dedicated track car why dump the money on this brand new STI and then take everything out of it? Might as well have gotten a ragged out GD and stripped it down to bare essentials.

Also if you are gunning for records you are going to have a hard time keeping up with the big tuning houses that have bukoo bucks to spend on every last thing on the car. I'm not trying to dissuade you from building a car that goes fast, but of it were me I would get another car to rag on on the track and keep this as a street monster.

I just want to make sure you don't blow a lot of money turning this into something that you aren't sure you will like when it is all said and done. I did that several times with my car and always ending up kicking myself. I mean, you have already built the block twice and I'm not sure why you didn't have it sleeves this time round.

That's it for my lecture, just make sure you do everything deliberately.
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Old 09-09-2012, 06:16 PM   #104
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I mean, you have already built the block twice and I'm not sure why you didn't have it sleeves this time round.

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Old 09-09-2012, 09:23 PM   #105
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Where in this thread does it ever say that I built the block twice?

I broke a valve, the block is perfectly fine
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Old 09-09-2012, 09:35 PM   #106
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After seeing all this, we fully disassembled the rest of the long block to take it to the machine shop to have fully dismantled, thoroughly cleaned incase metal pieces made its way into the block/other head
Looks like to me the entire block was taken apart for the second time based on this post. First time was when it was originally built, second time is "now it just went to the machine shop to be fully dismantled thoroughly cleaned in-case metal pieces made its way into the block"

So if it just got taken completely apart by your account why not just get it sleeved?
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Old 09-09-2012, 09:47 PM   #107
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I'm just saying if you are making a dedicated track car why dump the money on this brand new STI and then take everything out of it? Might as well have gotten a ragged out GD and stripped it down to bare essentials.

Also if you are gunning for records you are going to have a hard time keeping up with the big tuning houses that have bukoo bucks to spend on every last thing on the car. I'm not trying to dissuade you from building a car that goes fast, but of it were me I would get another car to rag on on the track and keep this as a street monster.

I just want to make sure you don't blow a lot of money turning this into something that you aren't sure you will like when it is all said and done. I did that several times with my car and always ending up kicking myself. I mean, you have already built the block twice and I'm not sure why you didn't have it sleeves this time round.

That's it for my lecture, just make sure you do everything deliberately.
Look, I know exactly what I plan on doing with this build...

I am perfectly aware that it is pretty much brand new car with only 12k miles as it sits right now and I am content with that!

So what if it's a brand new car? Thats like saying, "why the hell would somebody twin turbo a brand new aventador"?!
The reason I am doing this is because it will be unique and go as fast as humanly possible :-)

As long as Nate and myself like the way the car is setup, I can care less what other people say/think about it...

As far as competing with big name shops who have more money than I do to invest into the car, they should beat my ass at the track but who knows what can happen with the help advice/help from Nate @ TPG & Curt @ Curt Brown Racing who both have a very extensive racing background!

We will just have to wait and see what happens when we get to the track...
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Old 09-09-2012, 10:26 PM   #108
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lol is your car so you can do what ever you want if you have the money or not.

and why would you have to sleeve the block? there is plenty of people running way more power with stock sleeves. The P&L 8sec drag car doesn't have an iron sleeved block.
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Old 09-09-2012, 10:41 PM   #109
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lol is your car so you can do what ever you want if you have the money or not.

and why would you have to sleeve the block? there is plenty of people running way more power with stock sleeves. The P&L 8sec drag car doesn't have an iron sleeved block.
Because stock sleeves "can" be oval'd or "can" crack at high boost / power levels. So why not get that extra reassurance by sleeving it? Just makes sense to me. If the motor was going to spend most of it life at or under 25psi then sure don't bother but if it going to be pushed at 30+psi at over 600whp most of it life then why not get it built to handle it without a doubt. Kinda like the reason im sure he purchased pauter rods. I'm sure he bought those because they are better than eagle or k1's. Not that eagle or k1's can't withstand his power levels by why not just buy the better part the pauter rods that he knows will hold up.
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Old 09-09-2012, 10:56 PM   #110
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Because stock sleeves "can" be oval'd or "can" crack at high boost / power levels. So why not get that extra reassurance by sleeving it? Just makes sense to me. If the motor was going to spend most of it life at or under 25psi then sure don't bother but if it going to be pushed at 30+psi at over 600whp most of it life then why not get it built to handle it without a doubt.
I do not care...
Why bother sleeving it now when the stock sleeves look perfect and it have barely ever been ran above 25psi so far?
With between 28-30psi, this setup will make just about 600whp on the mustang dyno!

If it blows, well then it blows up and we sleeve it at that point!
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Old 09-09-2012, 11:01 PM   #111
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Then why did you even build the motor in the first place? Why not just run your big rotated turbo and see how long it would last and when it blew up then build it?
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Old 09-09-2012, 11:35 PM   #112
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Then why did you even build the motor in the first place? Why not just run your big rotated turbo and see how long it would last and when it blew up then build it?
I sold the stock shortblock for $2000 when someone I knew blew up his "built" shortblock and purchased the Vigilant Motorsports Track Series shortblock...

I didn't realize that running a rotated kit with high boost on stock sleeves was so uncommon?

We will try and make this engine last as long as possible with a spot-on tune from nate, proper maintenance, etc. but like I have already stated, when it blows up, we will rebuild with a sleeved block!
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Old 09-10-2012, 07:05 AM   #113
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Because stock sleeves "can" be oval'd or "can" crack at high boost / power levels. So why not get that extra reassurance by sleeving it? Just makes sense to me. If the motor was going to spend most of it life at or under 25psi then sure don't bother but if it going to be pushed at 30+psi at over 600whp most of it life then why not get it built to handle it without a doubt. Kinda like the reason im sure he purchased pauter rods. I'm sure he bought those because they are better than eagle or k1's. Not that eagle or k1's can't withstand his power levels by why not just buy the better part the pauter rods that he knows will hold up.
Sleeved blocks have problems as well... either they drop a sleeve or have related cooling issues. Keep it simple stupid....
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Old 09-10-2012, 11:36 AM   #114
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Sleeved blocks have problems as well... either they drop a sleeve or have related cooling issues. Keep it simple stupid....
Ya problems when done wrong. None if done right.
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Old 09-10-2012, 11:41 AM   #115
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Sleeved blocks have problems as well... either they drop a sleeve or have related cooling issues. Keep it simple stupid....
I am happy someone here understands that it is not as simple of a fix as people think...

When the time comes for sleeves, I will have Darton or LA Sleeves install them for me!
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Old 09-10-2012, 12:48 PM   #116
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Sleeved blocks have problems as well... either they drop a sleeve or have related cooling issues. Keep it simple stupid....
Not quite sure why you are getting bent out of shape and calling people stupid? As already mentioned there are no negatives to a sleeved block if done correctly. But if the OP wants to see what he can do with his non-sleeved block then so be it. I was just curious as to why he wouldn't do it now since the motor was back apart.
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Not quite sure why you are getting bent out of shape and calling people stupid? As already mentioned there are no negatives to a sleeved block if done correctly. But if the OP wants to see what he can do with his non-sleeved block then so be it. I was just curious as to why he wouldn't do it now since the motor was back apart.


have you ever heard of KISS....
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Old 09-12-2012, 02:02 AM   #118
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Not quite sure why you are getting bent out of shape and calling people stupid? As already mentioned there are no negatives to a sleeved block if done correctly. But if the OP wants to see what he can do with his non-sleeved block then so be it. I was just curious as to why he wouldn't do it now since the motor was back apart.
Look guys, I am not trying to not piss anyone off in this thread...

I do not want anyone getting bent out of shape over a topic that we can go back and forth about for months lol

If I knew that I was going to be running a rotated big turbo kit when I was choosing the block I wanted to run, I might have just saved some more money to have Sean @ Vigilant install them but I did not know what the future had in store...

Unfortunately, do to the head failure, I am buying everything over again which is very costly and frustrating to say the least so I will be broke for a lil while!

Over the winter, I will try to start collecting all the necessities for a sleeved shortblock which will surely impress with what Nate and I have in mind

Until then though, I will be using this longblock with the stock sleeves with hopefully no problems and if it is in perfect running condition when I am done using it, I will sell the shortblock to help purchase everything for the sleeved block!

I have no problem with discussion in the thread but let us please do so in a friendly manner please
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Old 09-12-2012, 02:05 AM   #119
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You shouldn't have any issues ^ and I wouldn't worry . 26-32 psi here stock sleeves all day long.
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You shouldn't have any issues ^ and I wouldn't worry . 26-32 psi here stock sleeves all day long.
Sean @ vigilant says highest levels you can safely run on the Track Series Shortblock: 28psi & 8500rpm

I have no problem running it at 28psi all day long and hopefully we hit 600whp on the mustang dyno which would be insane!
If not, then I just take it to the DynoJet @ Wyotech and it will make over 600whp easily lol
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My old tuner says the same thing and for all practical purposes that's a safe limit.
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Old 09-12-2012, 03:04 AM   #122
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Can't wait to see what your new build does . Ts for me and 85 plus lbs a minute time
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Old 09-12-2012, 01:34 PM   #123
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Look guys, I am not trying to not piss anyone off in this thread...

I do not want anyone getting bent out of shape over a topic that we can go back and forth about for months lol

If I knew that I was going to be running a rotated big turbo kit when I was choosing the block I wanted to run, I might have just saved some more money to have Sean @ Vigilant install them but I did not know what the future had in store...

Unfortunately, do to the head failure, I am buying everything over again which is very costly and frustrating to say the least so I will be broke for a lil while!

Over the winter, I will try to start collecting all the necessities for a sleeved shortblock which will surely impress with what Nate and I have in mind

Until then though, I will be using this longblock with the stock sleeves with hopefully no problems and if it is in perfect running condition when I am done using it, I will sell the shortblock to help purchase everything for the sleeved block!

I have no problem with discussion in the thread but let us please do so in a friendly manner please
Now that makes complete sense ! I can totally understand you have a lot of money invested. My whole point was I wanted you to be the best you could and if you are trying to go after big dawgs why not take that extra step so you don't end up losing more money on a build getting blown up. I think your build is great and just dont want to see a post that says well time to pull the motor. My motor isn't sleeved either but if I was to do it over it would be.
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Old 09-12-2012, 01:49 PM   #124
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if no bog you would have been in the 11s that trap speed is good for low 11.s if you can lanuch the car right. good run

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I finally found a way to download the video from the track last thursday that my friend posted on "facespace"!

My launch was terrible bcz the car was still on winter tires(Put on new my summer tires this past saturday), this was the first time I have driven the car at the track since it was at the Stage 2 setup and the change in power is insane! :-(

Low boost(21psi) 12.02 @ 125mph!
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FOOD FOR THOUGHT!: I had Nate drive the sti last summer with the custom twin-scroll setup using an EVO IX FP "Red" turbo which made 420whp @ 27psi on VP110 and it went 11.36 @ 119mph ;-)
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Old 09-12-2012, 08:11 PM   #125
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if no bog you would have been in the 11s that trap speed is good for low 11.s if you can lanuch the car right. good run
Yup! With a good launch it should have been about 11 flat! :-)

Gonna be even crazier with the car stripped down and running high 500whp!
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