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Old 02-26-2014, 03:00 PM   #876
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What manifolds are people using on these Full Race kits?
I'm using an agency power. The welds look like ****. So, I may have to explore new options.
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Old 02-26-2014, 10:21 PM   #877
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third video down, the black sti at 380 hp
I looked all through their 2014 stuff and I didn't see anything???
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Old 02-26-2014, 10:58 PM   #878
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I looked all through their 2014 stuff and I didn't see anything???
FR has a post on their FB page.
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Old 02-27-2014, 01:03 AM   #879
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Old 02-27-2014, 11:30 PM   #880
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That's the boostcreep....wrong source
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Old 02-28-2014, 09:37 AM   #881
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I am very excited for more data on this kit in a real world daily driver application. Seems like the best of both worlds set up if the pre-release data is any indication of what we can expect.
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Old 03-01-2014, 06:26 AM   #882
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Anyone find the data fullrace was talking about comparing the 6758 to 7163. I looked over TH Performances entire facebook several times and did not see it.
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Old 03-01-2014, 11:38 AM   #883
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^I couldn't find it either
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Old 03-01-2014, 12:00 PM   #884
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If anyone is willing to post some good finds on the 6758 on subie applications I'd appreciate the info. Can't seem to find a terribly large amount
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Old 03-03-2014, 04:33 PM   #885
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If anyone is willing to post some good finds on the 6758 on subie applications I'd appreciate the info. Can't seem to find a terribly large amount
i would like to know as well. stock engine if possible
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Old 03-03-2014, 05:03 PM   #886
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Old 03-03-2014, 08:56 PM   #887
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If anyone is willing to post some good finds on the 6758 on subie applications I'd appreciate the info. Can't seem to find a terribly large amount
If you're in the bay area and want a ride in one, PM me. Spool at 3250 in 4th & 5th on a 2 liter, and maxes out id1000s on E85 and has more in it. Probably even better on a 2.5L. It's a really nice sized turbo for a stock engine car. Kinda like a vf39 that doesn't run out of breath.
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Old 03-03-2014, 09:15 PM   #888
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I have 6758 on an 05 sti fully built motor with 272cams fmic. Full boost is 3400 makes 405/420 on pump 420/440 on 110oct on a mustang dyno! Turbo holds till about 6500 then drops. Lag doesn't exist.
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Old 03-04-2014, 03:42 AM   #889
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Just noticed Tial posted that they are making their interchangeable SS vband exhaust housings for the whole EFR lineup now Looks like all the issues will be solved as the actual efr turbos (supercores) are easy to get, and tial always offers a smaller and bigger a/r housing option. Anybody else heard this news? Tial posted this on their site over a month ago. Ill prob hold out for the tial housing and get a .64, hopefully it wont be much longer.
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Old 03-04-2014, 08:12 AM   #890
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I have 6758 on an 05 sti fully built motor with 272cams fmic. Full boost is 3400 makes 405/420 on pump 420/440 on 110oct on a mustang dyno! Turbo holds till about 6500 then drops. Lag doesn't exist.
Dyno plot?

Also seems like going from pump to 110 octane should give more than 15whp/20wtq?
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Old 03-04-2014, 08:38 AM   #891
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Just noticed Tial posted that they are making their interchangeable SS vband exhaust housings for the whole EFR lineup now Looks like all the issues will be solved as the actual efr turbos (supercores) are easy to get, and tial always offers a smaller and bigger a/r housing option. Anybody else heard this news? Tial posted this on their site over a month ago. Ill prob hold out for the tial housing and get a .64, hopefully it wont be much longer.
2014 - TiAL Sport is excited to announce that we will be expanding our current line of High performance Stainless Steel V-band Housings to the Borg Warner Line of turbos. Our outline interchangeable housings used in all levels of professional motorsports will include fitments for the BW EFR and BW AirWerks turbo chargers.

Great idea on Tial's part!
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Old 03-04-2014, 05:25 PM   #892
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Yeah I agree, Tial is going to be banking with these vband exhaust housings, also people with turbo piping kits made to fit the Garrett tial vband housings wont need to make any piping modifications.

I sent Tial an email yesterday asking for a little more info and when they are guessing they will be ready.
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Old 03-04-2014, 05:46 PM   #893
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^ I don't think that's true about the modifications. The EFrs are longer and an up pipe for a garrett turbo is not likely going to place an efr in the necessary position.

Also, it's highly unlikely that anyone is running a garrett turbo with a vband in the stock location.

But these housings will now make it more feasible to rotate these "stock location" turbos and not run the up, down, and turbo inlet that's necessary for them now.
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Old 03-04-2014, 05:51 PM   #894
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The IC piping may need some tweaking but the up and down pipes should be the same between any other turbo kit that fits the Tial housing.

The IC piping adapting is the easy part.
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Old 03-04-2014, 05:59 PM   #895
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when you get into the larger framed turbos that barely fit between the strut tower and block as is, the turbo simply might not fit in the same space that the garrett did.
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Old 03-04-2014, 06:26 PM   #896
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^ I don't think that's true about the modifications. The EFrs are longer and an up pipe for a garrett turbo is not likely going to place an efr in the necessary position. Also, it's highly unlikely that anyone is running a garrett turbo with a vband in the stock location. But these housings will now make it more feasible to rotate these "stock location" turbos and not run the up, down, and turbo inlet that's necessary for them now.
If the housings have the same inlet and outlet locations as the Garrett's , which is highly unlikely at least on the outlet side, itlll make swapping turbos a lot easier for those with flanges for the tial housings. That's just my hope anyway as I have one.
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Old 03-04-2014, 06:32 PM   #897
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If the housings have the same inlet and outlet locations as the Garrett's , which is highly unlikely at least on the outlet side, itlll make swapping turbos a lot easier for those with flanges for the tial housings. That's just my hope anyway as I have one.
If they're ewg housings I dont see why tial couldnt get the turbine inlets and outlets in the same relative position to each other without much fuss. Now of course the BW still has a longer bearing and large diameter compressor housings so the compressor end of things probably will be within an inch or two of where it would be with a garrett.
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The BW T4 EWG housings w/ V-band outlet have the same inlet and outlet foot print as any other T4 housing, i.e. Garrett, PTE, etc... I don't see why the Tial housing would be any different dimensionally. The only thing you would have to take into account would be the added compressor cover length and that is less than 2"
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Old 03-04-2014, 09:49 PM   #899
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I'm not sure if the EFR turbine wheels are longer from center cartridge to outlet, they may all be a bit longer than the Garrett's. That wheel from the 7163 with the mixed flow geometry is going to have a longer turbine housing because of how the exhaust gasses enter into the nozzle. Then as Leafy stated the center cartridges are longer than Garrett's so that affects the footprint and the compressor housings seem longer probably because of the internal bov.

I personally wasn't thinking of the interchangeability with Garrett's, I was thinking that the Tial housings will offer more options for the guys that want to run external gates (like me) maybe because they already own one/ some and have it plumbed in. I know that BW really wants users to adopt and use the internal gates and I'm sure they work well but they have to create some turbulence at the back of the housing even with there 45* orientation. I just think Borg should have offered more EWG options but now Tial will do that.

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I'm not sure if the EFR turbine wheels are longer from center cartridge to outlet, they may all be a bit longer than the Garrett's. That wheel from the 7163 with the mixed flow geometry is going to have a longer turbine housing because of how the exhaust gasses enter into the nozzle. Then as Leafy stated the center cartridges are longer than Garrett's so that affects the footprint and the compressor housings seem longer probably because of the internal bov. I personally wasn't thinking of the interchangeability with Garrett's, I was thinking that the Tial housings will offer more options for the guys that want to run external gates maybe because they already own one/ some and have it plumbed in. I know that BW really wants users to adopt and use the internal gates and I'm sure they work well but they have to create some turbulence at the back of the housing even with there 45* orientation. I just think Borg should have offered more EWG options but now Tisl will do that.
There are many non suby manifolds framed around the tial housing. It makes a lot of sense if it's possible.
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