Welcome to the North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club Monday September 22, 2014
Home Forums WikiNASIOC Products Store Modifications Upgrade Garage
NASIOC
Here you can view your subscribed threads, work with private messages and edit your profile and preferences Home Registration is free! Visit the NASIOC Store NASIOC Rules Search Find other members Frequently Asked Questions Calendar Archive NASIOC Upgrade Garage Logout
Go Back   NASIOC > NASIOC General > Car Audio, Video & Security

Welcome to NASIOC - The world's largest online community for Subaru enthusiasts!
Welcome to the NASIOC.com Subaru forum.

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, free of charge, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, so please join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 05-01-2014, 12:00 PM   #1
thagan
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 389560
Join Date: Apr 2014
Default Upgrading my '14 Impreza Sport speakers, need input

Hi guys,

Picked up my '14 Impreza Sport back in March of this year to replace my '13 Mini Cooper that was bought back under Lemon Law. I had paid $750 for the upgraded Harmon/Kardon speakers in my Mini, and the stereo sounded great. The Subaru....well, not so much.

I'd very much like to keep my stock head unit if at all possible because I like the look of factory and I want all of my steering wheel controls to work exactly as designed.

Therefore, I'm looking to upgrade my speakers, and install an amp, if necessary.

Starting out, it looks like these spacers are the ones to get: http://www.subaruaudio.net/subaru-speaker-spacers/

Moving on, I was looking at Infinitys, possibly Kappas, but I am worried about the 3ohm and 2ohm impedances of the speakers killing my HU. Is this something I need to be worried about? Should I put in an amp if I go with these?

If I can't use the Infinitys, then what would you recommend? I see a lot of people going with Polk Db651. I believe I listed to these in Best Buy and was less than enthused. I like clean sounding music, especially with the highs and lows. Right now, my EQ has treble and bass boosted (on completely stock system) and mids turned way down. Think of the song Royals by Lorde. I want that to be clean and clear.

Sorry for the long post, but after reading reading reading...and searching, the information I want didn't seem to present itself.

EDIT: And I guess one of the bottom line questions is can I use the 2ohm Kappas without issue with the factory HU?
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

Last edited by thagan; 05-01-2014 at 04:45 PM.
thagan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2014, 02:48 PM   #2
phenryiv1
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 91212
Join Date: Jul 2005
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Martinsburg, WV
Vehicle:
2011 WRX 5DR
Satin White Pearl

Default

Personally, I don't like the sound of the Infinity speakers but it is all personal preference. I had the dB651 and they were a step up from stock, even running off of a headunit (no external amp). Some people love the Infinity sound- I just happen to find it a little harsh. But they change the speakers eveyr year so the current crop of Infinity speakers may sound a lot better than the 2010-2011 models that I listened to.

You can use the 2-ohm Kappas or the Reference with the OEM HU without causing damage.

And yes, those are the spacers to get ( :
phenryiv1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2014, 11:06 PM   #3
thagan
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 389560
Join Date: Apr 2014
Default

Thank you so much for your input.

One last question: If I wanted to install an amp, what is the easiest way to do it?

I mean, if I'm installing it under a seat...I would have to run 2-4 (or RCA cables) sets of speaker wires from behind the head unit and then a set of 2-4 speaker wires back to behind the headunit to use the stock wiring. Right? Is there an easier way to do this?
thagan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2014, 11:29 PM   #4
phenryiv1
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 91212
Join Date: Jul 2005
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Martinsburg, WV
Vehicle:
2011 WRX 5DR
Satin White Pearl

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by thagan View Post
Thank you so much for your input.

One last question: If I wanted to install an amp, what is the easiest way to do it?

I mean, if I'm installing it under a seat...I would have to run 2-4 (or RCA cables) sets of speaker wires from behind the head unit and then a set of 2-4 speaker wires back to behind the headunit to use the stock wiring. Right? Is there an easier way to do this?
Take a look at this page (you have to expand the submenus) to see how I wired it up. All told I have about 2 hours in the amp install

http://www.subaruaudio.net/tools-and-how-to/wiring/

On a related note, I have that amp for sale at the moment if you are interested.

In case you have not figured it out, I built and manage that how-to website.
phenryiv1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2014, 11:35 PM   #5
ColdSoda
NASIOC Supporter
 
Member#: 200545
Join Date: Jan 2009
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Rockville, MD
Vehicle:
2002 Subaru WRX
Silver

Default

I have the infinity kappa components up front and a 10" kappa sub paired with a couple alpine amps. I have a '13 impreza sport and everything works great. people that don't like the kappa component speakers claim the highs are too pronounced or harsh but a lot can be done with EQ and like mentioned, its all personal preference. I like a good clear high so these speakers sound great to me. get quality amp power kits and wiring - it does make a difference over the dollar store chepo stuff. I like kicker power kits personally but to each their own. DIYMA has tons of good info from basic setups to complex competitive setups.

edit: sorry forgot to mention I just have a set of jbl coax rear speakers and did upgrade the headunit to an alpine unit. Ive gone down the JBL MS-8 route in the past on a mazda 3i to avoid changing the head unit, but it was a pricy option.
ColdSoda is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2014, 11:42 PM   #6
thagan
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 389560
Join Date: Apr 2014
Default

Thanks guys!

Just how much are you looking to get for that amp? (starving college student)

I also like clear highs...and lows, but I want to keep the space in my trunk, so no sub. Might do underseat.
thagan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-03-2014, 11:12 AM   #7
BBarnes1
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 228774
Join Date: Nov 2009
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Cedar Rapids/Iowa City IA
Vehicle:
05 WRX
PSM

Default

I'd reconsider getting a decent HU, skipping the amp, and running more sensitive speakers. I think most HUs can be made to work with the steering wheel controls, though I've never done this myself.

I've never had a good experience with OEM HU + after market amp combo. I think its better to start with a good source then amplify a not so good one.
BBarnes1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-03-2014, 05:36 PM   #8
ColdSoda
NASIOC Supporter
 
Member#: 200545
Join Date: Jan 2009
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Rockville, MD
Vehicle:
2002 Subaru WRX
Silver

Default

^ to answer above yes it is inexpensive and very easy to integrate subaru steering wheel controls on after market stereos.

Also great call on the good source, it is true that you want to amp the best source signal you can. This is why signal processors are so popular in the audio world.
ColdSoda is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2014, 05:20 PM   #9
GodWhomIsMike
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 102287
Join Date: Dec 2005
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: Hawley, PA
Vehicle:
2014 Crosstrek Ltd.
Tangerine Orange

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by phenryiv1 View Post
Personally, I don't like the sound of the Infinity speakers but it is all personal preference. I had the dB651 and they were a step up from stock, even running off of a headunit (no external amp). Some people love the Infinity sound- I just happen to find it a little harsh. But they change the speakers eveyr year so the current crop of Infinity speakers may sound a lot better than the 2010-2011 models that I listened to.

You can use the 2-ohm Kappas or the Reference with the OEM HU without causing damage.

And yes, those are the spacers to get ( :
I had the Infinity sounds system in my 2011 Kia Sportage SX. It sounded excellent. The Crosstrek with the stock speakers sounded like an alarm clock radio, with the upgraded Kicker speakers and Kicker tweeters sounds a lot better, but still doesn't sound as good as the Kia. On top of that, it is woefully lacking bass.
GodWhomIsMike is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-05-2014, 09:17 AM   #10
sszyma
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 31399
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Chicago
Vehicle:
2007 WRX
2014 Forester 6MT

Default

Don't laugh, on my 2014 forester I purchased the kicker speaker upgrade with dash tweeters. For a source I run the P99rs which feeds a pdx-v9. They are certainly not the greatest speaker but with proper eq'ing you would be very suprised. I will be running some ID 6x9's eventually but, for now I am content.
sszyma is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-05-2014, 09:55 AM   #11
phenryiv1
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 91212
Join Date: Jul 2005
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Martinsburg, WV
Vehicle:
2011 WRX 5DR
Satin White Pearl

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by thagan View Post
Thanks guys!

Just how much are you looking to get for that amp? (starving college student)

I also like clear highs...and lows, but I want to keep the space in my trunk, so no sub. Might do underseat.
I'd take $85 shipped for it.
phenryiv1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-05-2014, 09:58 AM   #12
phenryiv1
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 91212
Join Date: Jul 2005
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Martinsburg, WV
Vehicle:
2011 WRX 5DR
Satin White Pearl

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by sszyma View Post
Don't laugh, on my 2014 forester ... I will be running some ID 6x9's eventually but, for now I am content.
Have fun with that. I experimented with making a Subaru-to-aftermarket 6x9 adapter for the front doors of the 2014+ Forester and it was a disaster. Save a LOT of headaches and go with a 6.5" speaker instead.

While it is possible to make the 6x9" cutout, the Subaru 6x9 is NOT a traditional pattern and even with the templates that I use to do the 6.5" adapters, making the cutout for a 6x9 was simple not practical.
phenryiv1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-05-2014, 01:44 PM   #13
thagan
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 389560
Join Date: Apr 2014
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by phenryiv1 View Post
I'd take $85 shipped for it.
I'm looking for a bit more power. Those Kappas can take up to 225W. thx anyway!
thagan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-05-2014, 01:49 PM   #14
phenryiv1
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 91212
Join Date: Jul 2005
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Martinsburg, WV
Vehicle:
2011 WRX 5DR
Satin White Pearl

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by thagan View Post
I'm looking for a bit more power. Those Kappas can take up to 225W. thx anyway!
No problem- I was just throwing it out there.

My amp can't put out this much anyway (about 75-80W @ 2 ohms) but I would not push those Kappas with more than about 100W RMS. That 225W max is MAX, not RMS. You hit those with 225W RMS per channel and you will melt the voicecoils.
phenryiv1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-05-2014, 06:16 PM   #15
thagan
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 389560
Join Date: Apr 2014
Default

Whoops- are are right again sir! 225MAX.
I'll be ordering a set of spacers from you soon enough!
thagan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-05-2014, 06:29 PM   #16
phenryiv1
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 91212
Join Date: Jul 2005
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Martinsburg, WV
Vehicle:
2011 WRX 5DR
Satin White Pearl

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by thagan View Post
Whoops- are are right again sir! 225MAX.
I'll be ordering a set of spacers from you soon enough!
Email me or PM me about that - as a courtesy (and the rules) I don't sell through NASIOC. And if you do want the amp I'd do $75 if you also get spacers.
phenryiv1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-2014, 01:13 PM   #17
johnson90512
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 332648
Join Date: Sep 2012
Default

I just upgraded the sound in my 2009 WRX. I installed a headunit from a 2013 WRX and I am running a JL Audio HD600.4 amp to my door speakers. I'm running Hybrid Audio Imagine Speakers in my front doors, and the highs and mids are incredible, with Alpine SPX-17pro in the rear doors for low mids. If I can make a recommendation the Hybrid Audio Technology Imagine Speakers have a really incredible sound when mixed with an amp.

One thing to keep in mind no matter which speakers you get, if you get tweeters, you want to keep the tweeters as close to the speakers as possible for the best sound. The factory location for them is not ideal unless you are talking about running active tweeters. Anyone with more experience please chime in.
johnson90512 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-2014, 08:49 PM   #18
ColdSoda
NASIOC Supporter
 
Member#: 200545
Join Date: Jan 2009
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Rockville, MD
Vehicle:
2002 Subaru WRX
Silver

Default

the tweeters in your 09 wrx are in a different place than the new imprezas - they have the tweeters in the dash and mids in the doors. when I upgraded I used the same mounting locations and ran new speaker wires from the crossover to the dash from the door where I mounted the crossover behind the door panel. Staging is important but tweeters and high speakers do not necessarily need to be close to the larger 6.5" speakers. Check out some of the setups on DIYMA in all types of cars to get an idea of what works best for staging the sound in your car.
ColdSoda is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 05-07-2014, 12:06 AM   #19
johnson90512
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 332648
Join Date: Sep 2012
Default

Ah, I did not realize they were in a different location, I see them now in pictures. As far as staging goes how would you recommend something like that? I worked with the guys at Hybrid Audio to install them and they were say that you should put them close to the 6.5" to make sure there isn't a delay in the sound, and from there it should create constructive interference.

How would you recommend it, just out of curiosity?

Thank you for any input
johnson90512 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-07-2014, 05:54 PM   #20
jhutch2115
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 369608
Join Date: Sep 2013
Default Hybrid Audio speakers

Hey what series did you use and where did you but them from? Thanks in advance, Jim
jhutch2115 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:55 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Powered by Searchlight © 2014 Axivo Inc.
Copyright ©1999 - 2014, North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club, Inc.