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Old 12-14-2012, 03:11 PM   #351
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Better get a BIG splitter. These things get light at the front over 100...or so I hear ;>)
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Old 12-14-2012, 03:26 PM   #352
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lol ^. thats when the fun begins.
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Old 12-14-2012, 03:55 PM   #353
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looks like i might be getting a 1-4th Straight Cut Dog Set off a buddy.

the blast plates should work great on that
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yeah thats the dog box set. sweeet dont have to use the clutch for gear changing . not the best for street driving but damn awesome at wot
Yep - you pretty much have to double-clutch every up and down shift to keep from prematurely wearing it out...or, drive it non-clutch violent all the time (which sounds fun!!)

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I must hang out with the wrong people...none of my friends have spare dog engagement gearsets!!
I hear ya Wallace! All of my friends seem to have a lot of spare broken 5 speed gears though

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lol right!! granted i have spare motors and junk but still! dog box is baller. cant wait to dog box my 6 speed. 142mph in 4th gear
I don't have any direct experience with them, but I've heard that the 6 speed version of the dog engagement box is the be all end all, short of the esoteric wrc stuff

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Better get a BIG splitter. These things get light at the front over 100...or so I hear ;>)
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Old 12-14-2012, 04:09 PM   #354
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yeah, i'm not sure if it will be a good fit for me though because it will be my dd.

i figure i'll get used to the double clutching though, so i doubt that matters much. and hopefully the noise isn't that bad.
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Old 12-14-2012, 06:05 PM   #355
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Yes the 6 spd god box is unbreakable just about.


And lot of ppl actually daily the dog boxs. Once you get the hang p it it's not bad. Andrewtech recommends two year service intervals on them.

Most of it is how you drive it. Takes some skill.
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Old 12-14-2012, 06:47 PM   #356
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two year service interval?

i don't want to have to do anything other than change the oil.
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Old 12-14-2012, 06:55 PM   #357
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lol ^ not for you then! dog boxes require work. they are a full drag item!! capable of serious power capabilities but involve trans work now and again.
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Old 12-14-2012, 07:13 PM   #358
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damn. what kind of service do they require?

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Old 12-14-2012, 07:44 PM   #359
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i honestly think they just tear the box apart and inspect. they told me every 2 years i would want to have it serviced by them. as in send my tranny to them. i ended up going the 6 speed route thinking it would be better to ppg that then 5 speed.
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Old 12-14-2012, 07:50 PM   #360
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i honestly think they just tear the box apart and inspect. they told me every 2 years i would want to have it serviced by them. as in send my tranny to them. i ended up going the 6 speed route thinking it would be better to ppg that then 5 speed.
funny you say that...i'm building a 5 speed now. if i went 6 spd it would have to be from an 07...i do not care to get new coilovers and wheels and everything to do it right...i already have 4/2 pot set up and it works for what i need....Andrewtech is doing my 5spd and i researched this until i was so sick of it. lol I am running PAR650s 1-4 striaght cut and billet forks...she should live happy at 520-550 whp. the 06-07 WRXs are a bit of a "freak" though with the 3.90 front diff and 3.70 rear and the tranfer gears and such..but the trap speeds are oooohhh so sweet. that's why if i went 6spd i would want one from an 07...and I am not starting my parts findings and build over again.
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Old 12-14-2012, 08:26 PM   #361
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So if this is from a 06 wrx, I have to worry about the front and rear diff?
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Old 12-14-2012, 08:30 PM   #362
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So if this is from a 06 wrx, I have to worry about the front and rear diff?
what do you mean? the 06 and 07 WRXs us a 3.70 final drive in the rear. The tail section has a "reducer" in it to work...other WRXs from other years run 3.90s in the rear...if you go 6spd grab a 3.90 R170 and you're good. Or goto the R180 but then you have to address the half shafts...there are a ton of threads on this.

the 06-07 WRXs are freaks..I love 'em though.
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Old 12-14-2012, 08:39 PM   #363
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yeah when i told andrew tech what i needed they said ehhhh better get the 6 speed and ppg that one. 5 speed might break.

as for the 07 sti trans yeah they are awesome. with the 3.54 final drive the 02-05 rear diffs work great.

i bought a new oem trans, used my original axles, bought a r160 rear diff from 02-05 bug and then did some driveshaft mods.

very simple, plus this way i saved weight by not using brembos which i didnt wanna do.

later down the road as in soon ill buy the 07 sti r180 and then driveshaft shop makes axles that fit my stock hubs and work with r180. so ill be good to drag.

have broke a r160 already, on my second one now not including the stock one which i couldnt use with this trans anyway!
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So if this is from a 06 wrx, I have to worry about the front and rear diff?

your driving an 09? whats the final drive on it? need to know rear diff and need to know what trans is. if its 06 wrx then its like 3.70 fd i believe. dont know what your 09 rear diff is.

if they dont match you will be binding up the front diff and everything will not be happy.
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Old 12-14-2012, 09:00 PM   #365
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No worries, fellas - we're always up for good transmission discussions. It's still so weird to us how the 6 speed is one of the most amazingly strong transmissions that you can find in a performance car (t56 included), yet the 5 speed appears as if it were assembled with paper mache and eggshells strange!

That's why much of our drivetrain development work is centered around the 5 speeds; there's not much you can do to a 6 speed (short of the aforementioned dog sets) and the 5 speeds have issues that need addressed. next for our testing is our own straight-cut gearset and specially formulated DragonsBlood fluid And as a reminder, we currently sell boxes with "re-imagined" Subaru gears in them that take loads of abuse when coupled with good fluid and some Blasty Plates. PM if you want some info. on em.
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i strongly agree. It actually amazes me that one of the best manual trans' ever made is in a subaru!! porsche designed it i believe.

either way they are def tough. I have at least 100 launches through mine, almost all of them hard enough to spin the tires and haze them in second gear. like new still.

Anyway MP-if you guys have any good news for me after tonight email me on the tug! ttyl
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Just wanted to throw out there the STOCK 6spd isn't bomb proof. They do fail. Any trans can fail. They have larger gears to begin with so that helps loads. Porsche had issues when decreasing gears 2mm for their track cars to save a little weight. 2mm doesn't sound like much but it if a load when talking surface area. I've talked to so many builders its scary. I can say that if I was more track and autox minded. That 6spd would appeal more but for my street build. I love my 5mt. I spend more time on boost than shifting. Haha. I hope the builders are on par with my needs and wants for my trans and needs.
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Unless its driver error the only other thing that will break is input/output shaft.

I've been putting well over 500 through mine with no issues.

I can almost guarantee ill never have an issue with it either. But I don't launch at the track so the tires take most of the abuse .

Either way in the long run I want an auto or dog box. Fits my needs better.
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Buying an oem manifold and up pipe. So I have 2 options.

Oem ts turbo (Dom 1.5 or 2.5 10cm) and your ts dp

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Rotated up pipe and down pipe (from you) for the ts manifold and get a ts rotated turbo.

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Find a way to make a 1.5 scroll up pipe for a stock flange Subaru turbo like a vf
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Buying an oem manifold and up pipe. So I have 2 options.

Oem ts turbo (Dom 1.5 or 2.5 10cm) and your ts dp

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Rotated up pipe and down pipe (from you) for the ts manifold and get a ts rotated turbo.

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Find a way to make a 1.5 scroll up pipe for a stock flange Subaru turbo like a vf
Did you ready buy the stock manifold? I have one.

And I think If that's the turbo you want you should stay single scroll.
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Or borgwarner
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Just wanted to throw out there the STOCK 6spd isn't bomb proof. They do fail. Any trans can fail. They have larger gears to begin with so that helps loads. Porsche had issues when decreasing gears 2mm for their track cars to save a little weight. 2mm doesn't sound like much but it if a load when talking surface area. I've talked to so many builders its scary. I can say that if I was more track and autox minded. That 6spd would appeal more but for my street build. I love my 5mt. I spend more time on boost than shifting. Haha. I hope the builders are on par with my needs and wants for my trans and needs.
I agree. I guess the point I was driving at was that the 6 speeds seem completely overbuilt for the application, whereas the 5 speeds seem woefully under-built. We originally had a 6 speed swap in the shop Forester, but now we have the re-worked 5 speed with blast plates. They've both held ~ the same power (500 mustang whp). I agree about the weight savings for sure! And of course a lot of other factors figure in such as driver error (big one...as we get blown 5 speeds in where the axles are ripped out of the cups...i.e. no clutch shifting gone wrong) clutch choice, final drive, etc. etc. We just want to make 5 speeds a viable option for those that don't want to go 6 speed on big HP cars.

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Unless its driver error the only other thing that will break is input/output shaft.

I've been putting well over 500 through mine with no issues.

I can almost guarantee ill never have an issue with it either. But I don't launch at the track so the tires take most of the abuse .

Either way in the long run I want an auto or dog box. Fits my needs better.
Good point. Fitting the needs of the end user is key. That's what we pride ourselves on here. That's why we didn't try and talk you out of the 60 pound (physical weight) snail sitting here at our shop

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Buying an oem manifold and up pipe. So I have 2 options.

Oem ts turbo (Dom 1.5 or 2.5 10cm) and your ts dp

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Rotated up pipe and down pipe (from you) for the ts manifold and get a ts rotated turbo.

Or

Find a way to make a 1.5 scroll up pipe for a stock flange Subaru turbo like a vf
When you say 'oem," I assume you mean twin-scroll JDM oem? Correct? If that's the case, then we can do any of the 3 options above. We do the 1.5 scroll up-pipes for usdm stock-fit turbos, but we didn't include them on the group buy. Send a PM if you want some details. Thanks!
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Yes I mean oem Jdm twin scroll manifold. So no matter what I'm getting that and just need to decide what to do. I think rotated might be the best option.
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MP- yeah mid 500's was not even close to enough . Lets just say someone dynoed recently and made power like what I'm expecting and it's well last 700!

I'm very excited. How you guy aren't super busy and it doesn't take to awful long . I'm very stoked.
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Yes I mean oem Jdm twin scroll manifold. So no matter what I'm getting that and just need to decide what to do. I think rotated might be the best option.
Oh gotcha, well how about a 1.5 scroll setup? No matter what you do seems like your in a bind.can you get a Dom 1.5 with twin scroll housing?
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