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Old 05-01-2013, 11:18 PM   #3626
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Old 05-01-2013, 11:23 PM   #3627
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Okay. I need some tips for this weekend. Going out to shoot my first motorsports race (Oregon Trail Rally). I don't have that many expectations, but want to come back with some decent shots. I'm renting a 70-200 f/2.8 for the weekend as well. I've read a lot on panning techniques, but thought I'd try to get some advice on settings and best practices. Thanks in advance.
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Old 05-01-2013, 11:29 PM   #3628
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keep it at 2.8, bump ur iso if need be so you can run a shutter speed faster than 1/500 and practice panning on passing traffic before you go. it's actually really easy if you have a steady hand and have good technique. i know a lot of people like AI Servo, but I prefer one shot and just take my chances. it's worked for me every time.
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Old 05-01-2013, 11:34 PM   #3629
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Start with a shutter speed around 1/250 then work your way down. You'll probably find that somewhere between 1/125 and 1/80 is where you'll get a good balance of background blur and keepers. If youre just starting out and you try to get greedy on the blur, your keeper rate will sink. Panning is all practice, there is no magic to it. Since youre already blurring hte background with motion, you dont need to control the DOF with the aperture. (At that level of experience, anyway). Stick around ƒ/8 or so.

You may need an ND filter to cut the light enough to pull off 1/125 ƒ/8 ISO100.

IS Mode2 is great if its a Canon lens.

I prefer my camera on Back Button Focus if yours supports that.

(We kinda have no idea what you have for equipment)
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Old 05-01-2013, 11:36 PM   #3630
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keep it at 2.8, bump ur iso if need be so you can run a shutter speed faster than 1/500 and practice panning on passing traffic before you go.
Are we talking about the same panning?

1/60 ƒ/6.3 ISO100, IS Mode 2, ND4

5D3B0245 by Khanh Duong | KHDPhoto.com, on Flickr

1/60 ƒ/5.6 ISO100, IS Mode 2, ND4

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1/100 ƒ/9 ISO200, No IS, No filters

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1/80 ƒ/8 ISO100, IS Mode 2, KSM CPL

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1/80 ƒ/8 ISO100, IS Mode 2, KSM CPL

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Old 05-01-2013, 11:39 PM   #3631
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1/500 is really close to freezing motion on a vehicle. Depending on speed.
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Old 05-01-2013, 11:42 PM   #3632
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yeah, i'm sorry. i just looked at some of my old exposures and they're no higher than 1/200 @ f8 iso100. i haven't done panning for a couple of years.
my recommendation for 2.8 still stands and the nd filter is a great recommendation so you can pull off the exposure depending on the light.
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Old 05-01-2013, 11:44 PM   #3633
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A CPL filter will also help cut the light.
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Old 05-01-2013, 11:46 PM   #3634
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a Rule of Thumb is to be shooting at a shutter speed that is 1/(speed of vehicle). For example, a good starting point for an 80MPH vehicle is 1/80. However, many will find this difficult without practice, especially at long focal lenghts. And of course, you may not like that amount of background blur. If you want more, work your way to 1/60, 1/30, some of the guys here can do 1/15, 1/10, Ive even seen 1/4. If you want less background blur, a faster shutter speed is all you need.
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Old 05-01-2013, 11:48 PM   #3635
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yeah, i'm sorry. i just looked at some of my old exposures and they're no higher than 1/200 @ f8 iso100. i haven't done panning for a couple of years.
my recommendation for 2.8 still stands and the nd filter is a great recommendation so you can pull off the exposure depending on the light.
There is no need Pan at /2.8. You use /2.8 when you either need more light (Which we dont need here since we're using long shutter speeds), or for subject/background separation (which the panning will do by itself)

All panning at /2.8 will do is make you miss focus more, or have only part of the car in focus.
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A CPL filter will also help cut the light.
This is correct, also. Sometimes it's enough. Sometimes it's not. Sometimes I pan with no filters at all.
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Old 05-01-2013, 11:50 PM   #3636
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for me, if he's renting the 70-200 2.8, if it's the IS, he should use it's fast and tack sharp af or at least give it a try.
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Old 05-01-2013, 11:52 PM   #3637
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Here's a 1/50th shot. I used my Canon 70-200 f/4 L IS on mode 2 w/ CPL filter. I think it came out decent.

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for me, if he's renting the 70-200 2.8, if it's the IS, he should use it's fast and tack sharp af or at least give it a try.

You're missing the point. Please explain to me why panning at ƒ/2.8 would be preferred over ƒ/8.
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Old 05-01-2013, 11:55 PM   #3639
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Added settings to my post with examples.
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Old 05-02-2013, 12:02 AM   #3640
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You're missing the point. Please explain to me why panning at /2.8 would be preferred over /8.
i suppose i'm not saying that it's preferred but that he should at least play with it at wide open. panning prolly wasn't the best time to suggest it. i'll admit when i'm wrong.
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Old 05-02-2013, 12:03 AM   #3641
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here's another example for the op of the question



1/200 @ f8 iso100 @ 105mm
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Old 05-02-2013, 01:05 AM   #3642
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Old 05-02-2013, 02:08 AM   #3643
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Start with a shutter speed around 1/250 then work your way down. You'll probably find that somewhere between 1/125 and 1/80 is where you'll get a good balance of background blur and keepers. If youre just starting out and you try to get greedy on the blur, your keeper rate will sink. Panning is all practice, there is no magic to it. Since youre already blurring hte background with motion, you dont need to control the DOF with the aperture. (At that level of experience, anyway). Stick around /8 or so.

You may need an ND filter to cut the light enough to pull off 1/125 /8 ISO100.

IS Mode2 is great if its a Canon lens.

I prefer my camera on Back Button Focus if yours supports that.

(We kinda have no idea what you have for equipment)
Thanks for the tips. For equipment, I have a Nikon D7000 and will be using the 70-200 VRII. I already use BBF, so that won't be a problem. Like I said, this will be my first event, so I'm just looking to have fun and hopefully bring home a few good pictures.
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Old 05-02-2013, 02:18 AM   #3644
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a Rule of Thumb is to be shooting at a shutter speed that is 1/(speed of vehicle). For example, a good starting point for an 80MPH vehicle is 1/80. However, many will find this difficult without practice, especially at long focal lenghts. And of course, you may not like that amount of background blur. If you want more, work your way to 1/60, 1/30, some of the guys here can do 1/15, 1/10, Ive even seen 1/4. If you want less background blur, a faster shutter speed is all you need.
Thanks for the suggestions. I'll guess I'll just be playing around with settings to see what works.

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A CPL filter will also help cut the light.
Good to know. I'll make sure one is in my bag.

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There is no need Pan at /2.8. You use /2.8 when you either need more light (Which we dont need here since we're using long shutter speeds), or for subject/background separation (which the panning will do by itself)

All panning at /2.8 will do is make you miss focus more, or have only part of the car in focus.


This is correct, also. Sometimes it's enough. Sometimes it's not. Sometimes I pan with no filters at all.
Probably could have gotten away with my telephoto that I had if shooting at 8. That's okay. Gave me an excuse to rent a nice lens. I appreciate all of the tips and guess I'll browse through pictures on flickr to check on EXIF data. This should be a lot of fun.
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Old 05-02-2013, 04:39 AM   #3645
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a Rule of Thumb is to be shooting at a shutter speed that is 1/(speed of vehicle). For example, a good starting point for an 80MPH vehicle is 1/80.....
Gonna re-quote this as it is great advice. I haven't had the greatest of luck with rolling shots, but these numbers seem to be very accurate.

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Old 05-02-2013, 05:49 AM   #3646
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Old 05-02-2013, 11:30 AM   #3647
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Thanks for the tips. For equipment, I have a Nikon D7000 and will be using the 70-200 VRII. I already use BBF, so that won't be a problem. Like I said, this will be my first event, so I'm just looking to have fun and hopefully bring home a few good pictures.
The key thing like you said is to have fun. The first time I went to the track and tried panning that's all I focused on. i didn't even really watch what was going on. It then it becomes frustrating when you aren't getting the results you want and you forget why you went in the first place. Just enjoy yourself and relax!
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Old 05-02-2013, 09:38 PM   #3649
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Finally got around to taking a video of my TDI, used a Canon 6D with a 24-105L lens, enjoy!
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