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Old 08-30-2012, 07:09 PM   #126
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Awesome write up xluben. I'm still a newbie to photography so it's a little overwhelming for me! I appreciate the advice though! I will look into those options but my brain is stuck on the 70-200! I would love to shoot more if motorsport stuff if I could but the main purpose would be walk around stuff, maybe some portrait, automotive stuff (basic car shots) and hopefully some racing!

I'm assuming the IS is going to be more of a factor with action stuff and panning? I find that I still get a decent amount of blurry shots even with my IS lenses. I'm assuming that comes down to my technique more than anything. That's why I'd consider the non IS if improving my technique would make up for it.
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Old 08-30-2012, 07:11 PM   #127
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Just sold my 5D Mark II 3 hours ago :-( it's a sad day.
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Old 08-30-2012, 07:14 PM   #128
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Not to ramble on here, I'm sure it's getting old but I feel that the 55-250mm is extremely soft on anything past even 100mm! Maybe I'm obsessing over nothing.

Here's one re-edited (xluben said the first one was over exposed) It just doesn't seem sharp to me. I wasn't using a tripod so that could have something to do with it.

ISO-800
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Old 08-30-2012, 07:15 PM   #129
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Just sold my 5D Mark II 3 hours ago :-( it's a sad day.
I would love to have one of those! That is sad.
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Old 08-30-2012, 07:19 PM   #130
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Not to ramble on here, I'm sure it's getting old but I feel that the 55-250mm is extremely soft on anything past even 100mm! Maybe I'm obsessing over nothing.

Here's one re-edited (xluben said the first one was over exposed) It just doesn't seem sharp to me. I wasn't using a tripod so that could have something to do with it.

ISO-800
Focal length- 187mm
Aperture- f/5.6
Shutter speed- 1/100s


http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8460/7...a424923d_b.jpg
What focal length?

The general "rule of thumb" is to shoot with a shutter speed of at least 1/(focal length) until you develop a technique to be stable otherwise.
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Old 08-30-2012, 07:38 PM   #131
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187mm. So I should be at almost 1/200s then at that focal length?
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Old 08-30-2012, 07:39 PM   #132
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Isnt much of an issue.

7D, 250mm, f/5.6, critical focus @50' still gives you a DOF of 2.5'.
On a crop body that field of view would only be 4.5ft x 3ft. Not nearly enough for a whole car. But thin DOF doesn't really matter for background blur anyways (as long as you have enough distance behind the subject).

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Awesome write up xluben. I'm still a newbie to photography so it's a little overwhelming for me! I appreciate the advice though! I will look into those options but my brain is stuck on the 70-200! I would love to shoot more if motorsport stuff if I could but the main purpose would be walk around stuff, maybe some portrait, automotive stuff (basic car shots) and hopefully some racing!

I'm assuming the IS is going to be more of a factor with action stuff and panning? I find that I still get a decent amount of blurry shots even with my IS lenses. I'm assuming that comes down to my technique more than anything. That's why I'd consider the non IS if improving my technique would make up for it.
The 70-200 is still an excellent lens, and a probably a really good next lens for you. It is sooo much more robust and will focus much, much faster. It is all around a much better lens. But in controlled conditions like these car shoots, it's not really going to make much of a difference. That's all I'm saying. It's a better lens. It will do 100x better for motorsports. But it probably won't blow you away taking a photo of your car in a parking lot.

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Not to ramble on here, I'm sure it's getting old but I feel that the 55-250mm is extremely soft on anything past even 100mm! Maybe I'm obsessing over nothing.

Here's one re-edited (xluben said the first one was over exposed) It just doesn't seem sharp to me. I wasn't using a tripod so that could have something to do with it.
I'm going to stand by the fact that you can't tell a difference in sharpness/softness of any lens (unless it is broken or damaged) at web viewing resolutions. If you print 24x36 or zoom in to 100% then there will be a big difference between your current lens and the 70-200, but at 800pixels you aren't going to notice.

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What focal length?

The general "rule of thumb" is to shoot with a shutter speed of at least 1/(focal length) until you develop a technique to be stable otherwise.
The IS on the 55-250mm is pretty solid. But that is a good thing to look out for. It certainly rules out camera shake if you use a fast shutter speed.
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Old 08-30-2012, 07:39 PM   #133
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Yeah. 1/100 is relatively slow.
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Old 08-30-2012, 07:40 PM   #134
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187mm. So I should be at almost 1/200s then at that focal length?
Technically you would have to multiply that by 1.6x for your 1.6x crop factor. So you'd be closer to 1/300s. But IS should allow you to go a couple stops slower than that, so you should be fine at 1/100s, but going higher isn't going to hurt.
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Old 08-30-2012, 07:44 PM   #135
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Won't I have to bump up my ISO which would increase noise past 800?

I'm now intrigued by the 85mm f/1.8 . Hmmmm

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Old 08-30-2012, 08:02 PM   #136
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ISO shouldn't matter with most modern day cameras. Well, at least not until you get past ISO 6400 or something stupid.
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Old 08-30-2012, 08:07 PM   #137
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You're over thinking this. I wouldn't worry about ISO or lens sharpness at this point. If you want a great all around lens, get a 70-200. It will many things extremely well. Don't expect to be blown away by its background blur though. If you want more of a fun specialty lens then get the 85mm. If you're really set on blur then get a full frame body. But remember that anything less than the 5D3 won't keep up for action.
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Old 08-30-2012, 08:11 PM   #138
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Haha, oh man. Why did I get into this hobby? The 85mm is pretty reasonably priced so I could do that. I might have to go with the non IS 70-200 though.

I like to improve on everything I do, so I might be getting ahead of myself here.
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Old 08-30-2012, 08:14 PM   #139
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I shot for a f2000 race team this past weekend...close ups w the sigma 17-70, others shot w the 70-200 2.8 on a D300s body. Touched in CS5 briefly


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Old 08-30-2012, 08:20 PM   #140
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And a couple other pics to give the people something to look at. Shot with the 55-250mm w/ CP filter.





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Old 08-30-2012, 08:20 PM   #141
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Haha, oh man. Why did I get into this hobby? The 85mm is pretty reasonably priced so I could do that. I might have to go with the non IS 70-200 though.

I like to improve on everything I do, so I might be getting ahead of myself here.
Improve your skill set, then.

No offense, but your equipment is not the limiting factor here.
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Old 08-30-2012, 08:29 PM   #142
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7D, 50 1.2, 1/80 (IIRC)

Pete McParland by Khanh Duong | KHDPhoto.com, on Flickr

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7D, 50 1.2, 1/80 (IIRC)

A.Dilks by Khanh Duong | KHDPhoto.com, on Flickr

7D, some crap Sigma lens.

ECS FSTi @ NHMS by Khanh Duong | KHDPhoto.com, on Flickr

Rebel XT, 24-105L

IMG_0308 by Khanh Duong | KHDPhoto.com, on Flickr

7D, 70-200 2.8L IS

24-105L by Khanh Duong | KHDPhoto.com, on Flickr

7D, 70-200 2.8L IS

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Improve your skill set, then.

No offense, but your equipment is not the limiting factor here.
None taken. I agree with you but I always like to upgrade, and if there is something out there that will help me a little then I'm all about it!
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very lucky to see this car at a race at Limerock this summer, 1 of 39 ferrari 250 GTO's.
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I had some fun today with a 800+ whp GT-R that a friend of mine just got built. I didn't get to pick the time or location, but luckily it was overcast because the white would have been really tough to manage in direct sunlight.

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Exp 1/200 | f2.8 | 135mm | ISO 160


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Old 08-30-2012, 09:28 PM   #146
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Man I wish that tree line was better. That's a killer shot though.
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Man I wish that tree line was better. That's a killer shot though.
i dont think the tree line takes away from the photo at all..the white pops nicely and draws focus to the car, which is what you want...nicely done!
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Nice Vicious Ego. I like the color scheme. Reminds me of my GEO3.

Camera: Canon 7D
Lens: Canon 17-55mm f/2.8 IS
ISO: ISO1600
Shutter Speed: 1/250s
Focal Length: 55mm
Aperture: f/11
Processing: Canon DPP and Photoshop CS3



And a few more paintball ones while we're at it...

Camera: Canon 7D
Lens: Canon 17-55mm f/2.8 IS
ISO: ISO400
Shutter Speed: 1/250s
Focal Length: 43mm
Aperture: f/18
Processing: Canon DPP and Photoshop CS3



Camera: Canon 7D
Lens: Canon 17-55mm f/2.8 IS
ISO: ISO800
Shutter Speed: 1/250s
Focal Length: 33mm
Aperture: f/16
Processing: Canon DPP and Photoshop CS3



Camera: Canon 7D
Lens: Canon 17-55mm f/2.8 IS
ISO: ISO400
Shutter Speed: 1/250s
Focal Length: 55mm
Aperture: f/11
Processing: Canon DPP and Photoshop CS3

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Old 08-30-2012, 09:38 PM   #149
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I meant better as in no dead trees and a little more full. Still sick though.

Here's my other one with the exposure fixed. I think. I like this one, it's different from my others.


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I meant better as in no dead trees and a little more full. Still sick though.
Yeah I agree to a point...that is why I tried to blur them out while still keeping the car in focus. Unfortunately...there are times were I don't get to pick the conditions. Sometimes we have to adapt!!!

That said...driving the car was fun.
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